The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 As far as Beaulieu and Timordi go, I think you need to look at how Hedman has come into his own since lady year. TB let him learn to play the NHL game and now he is the 1st round stud everyone thought he would be. Beaulieu and Tinordi need to be allowed to make mistakes as part of their development. Dmen take time to develop. They aren't going to adapt to NHL speed and skill in Hamilton. Tinordi in particular has to be allowed to make mistakes. Big guys take longer- see Chara and Hedman. Mistakes they make are part of the development process. Mistakes guys like Bouillon would make is a mistake in allotment of ice time. Beaulieu is being eased in exactly as he should be IMHO, and had his ice time raised when the veterans were stinking out the joint, Tinordi had, by most accounts, an erratic training camp, so he isn't exactly kicking the door down, but he is also getting his chances. I don't see a problem here, myself. What I was suggesting is that when these guys are playing 20+ minutes that is not a sign of a thriving team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Beaulieu is being eased in exactly as he should be IMHO, and had his ice time raised when the veterans were stinking out the joint, Tinordi had, by most accounts, an erratic training camp, so he isn't exactly kicking the door down, but he is also getting his chances. I don't see a problem here, myself. What I was suggesting is that when these guys are playing 20+ minutes that is not a sign of a thriving team. Play them a ton. Let them make mistakes and develope . The vets are making just as many or mistakes anyways. Not like you will cut down on mistakes by cutting the two young guys ice time. . Tbay sandwhich slaughtering the habs with losses to the Sens and Devils. ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 There's nothing to panic about. If you read about other teams, most of what you'll read is calling for teams to get their systems together, show a complete effort and leadership. 3-1 is a great start to the season. Nice to see Eller is already stinking out the place. -6 with zero points in four games. That third line is what I'm worried about. That line could combine for less than twenty goals this season. You do realize that he rarely gets any offensive zone faceoffs. He would look a lot better if he got his fair share. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 There's nothing to panic about. If you read about other teams, most of what you'll read is calling for teams to get their systems together, show a complete effort and leadership. 3-1 is a great start to the season. Nice to see Eller is already stinking out the place. -6 with zero points in four games. That third line is what I'm worried about. That line could combine for less than twenty goals this season. There's nothing to panic about. If you read about other teams, most of what you'll read is calling for teams to get their systems together, show a complete effort and leadership. 3-1 is a great start to the season. Nice to see Eller is already stinking out the place. -6 with zero points in four games. That third line is what I'm worried about. That line could combine for less than twenty goals this season. I hear ya. Line stinks. Pacs DD Gally better but not much. Swap Bourque and Gally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 What's up with Eller anyway? He is terrible.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 There's nothing to panic about. If you read about other teams, most of what you'll read is calling for teams to get their systems together, show a complete effort and leadership. 3-1 is a great start to the season. Nice to see Eller is already stinking out the place. -6 with zero points in four games. That third line is what I'm worried about. That line could combine for less than twenty goals this season. There's nothing to panic about. If you read about other teams, most of what you'll read is calling for teams to get their systems together, show a complete effort and leadership. 3-1 is a great start to the season. Nice to see Eller is already stinking out the place. -6 with zero points in four games. That third line is what I'm worried about. That line could combine for less than twenty goals this season. I hear ya. Line stinks. Pacs DD Gally better but not much. Swap Bourque and Gally? Swap Eller and Perron maybe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 You do realize that he rarely gets any offensive zone faceoffs. He would look a lot better if he got his fair share. -6 is straight garbage. I've had Eller's back through it all, but I thought he would have a much stronger start. If he doesn't pick it up 10-15 games then its time to start worrying. I still have faith though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Here we go again. "Poor little Lars." "Give Beaulieu 30 minutes a night." Please. If you want to win games, PK Subban has to be better than Beaulieu, and if he's not, we're a lottery team. As for Eller, LET HIM EARN SOMETHING. So far he has earned nothing but our frustration and contempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm honestly all for giving Borque a quick stint on top line. He's never played with Pac or DD. I mentioned it last year too. Why not give him a look? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Here we go again. "Poor little Lars." "Give Beaulieu 30 minutes a night." Please. If you want to win games, PK Subban has to be better than Beaulieu, and if he's not, we're a lottery team. As for Eller, LET HIM EARN SOMETHING. So far he has earned nothing but our frustration and contempt. We went from being ready to give him the number one center spot after 10 games in 13-14 to wishing he is hit by a train in 4 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 We went from being ready to give him the number one center spot after 10 games in 13-14 to wishing he is hit by a train in 4 games. I never wanted him to be number one centre, and I don't want him hit by a train. I want him to live up to people's expectations of him. "Potential" doesn't cut it. Putting 50+ points on the board for the year will - Since he's not a defensive shut-down specialist (at all), that's what 3.5 million dollars is supposed to do for you. If he doesn't start doing that, he's a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I never wanted him to be number one centre, and I don't want him hit by a train. I want him to live up to people's expectations of him. "Potential" doesn't cut it. Putting 50+ points on the board for the year will - Since he's not a defensive shut-down specialist (at all), that's what 3.5 million dollars is supposed to do for you. If he doesn't start doing that, he's a bust. I agree. If he doesn't put up 50, he's a pretty big let down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Tinordi and Pacioretty same point toal and Tinordi only played 2 games, no PP time and 1/2 the icetime? Pacioretty is a big let down!!!! Get working the phones Bergy!!! What can we get for Max? Kane? Kessel? (I know Tinordi has played vs weaker opposition and not proposing he play on top line...yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Tinordi and Pacioretty same point toal and Tinordi only played 2 games, no PP time and 1/2 the icetime? Pacioretty is a big let down!!!! Get working the phones Bergy!!! What can we get for Max? Kane? Kessel? (I know Tinordi has played vs weaker opposition and not proposing he play on top line...yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Sky aint fallin quite yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 maybe lars SHOULD be hit by a train (chara) before he wakes the hell up! I too have given him the benefit of the doubt because of his post-season, but come on now, he looks like a lost little kid out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Sky aint fallin quite yet. In general, I agree. In the case of Eller, this is just a continuation of his normal regular season performance from last year, so it is NOT too early to be discussing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 We went from being ready to give him the number one center spot after 10 games in 13-14 to wishing he is hit by a train in 4 games. Eller is a case where I don't want to be "proven right." If he becomes a Jordan Staal-type, he will be hugely valuable to this team. But I've been sounding a note of skepticism about him for some time now, because I've seen guys like this before (Bulis being the prototype). Potential means nothing. Short hot spells mean nothing. He has to do it on a regular basis. And until he does, as I've been relentlessly insisting, we are CRAZY to trade away proven glue guys like Pleks, or proven producers like DD, to "make room" for him. There simply is no substitute for earning it. And if he doesn't earn it, then he can be added to the huge pile of guys labelled "Wasted Potential." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 50 points on the third line with no powerplay time is rare. I think the only player who pulled that off last season was Brad Marchand. I'm good with 35-40 on a consistent basis. No six week burst and then invisible for the rest of the season. He's got a rookie and Bourque on his wing. 50 points with no PP in tatty situation and we're pretty much wasting an elite player. Temper expectations with context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 50 points on the third line with no powerplay time is rare. I think the only player who pulled that off last season was Brad Marchand. I'm good with 35-40 on a consistent basis. No six week burst and then invisible for the rest of the season. He's got a rookie and Bourque on his wing. 50 points with no PP in tatty situation and we're pretty much wasting an elite player. Temper expectations with context. Exactly--- Desharnais got 52pts last year with number one power play time and with the hottest wingers at the time and he is a "proven producer" I see apples and oranges when it comes to opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Expectations are based on the contract, not the line he is played on. We're seriously overpaying him if he's a 35-40 point third-liner; that means there's an issue with his contract. (Note: René Bourque is an anomaly, not a precedent. He is getting 3.33 million a year based on being a 27 goal a year player --which he was when he signed his contract-- not his current Eller-like lack of production.) For the habs to get value for what they are paying Eller, he needs to play himself back onto the second line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Go count for me how many 25 or older players are 50 point scorers in the league at under $4M. There's one on the team named David you can start with. Give me guys that scored 50 in a season then received a contract of under $4M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Eller so far, 214th in icetime/game and 246th in PPtime/game among NHL forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Eller so far, 214th in icetime/game and 246th in PPtime/game among NHL forwards. I wouldn't mind seeing him clock in as the 314th forward in ice time. Larry is a loser! He's been a loser forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Larry isn't a loser! (may never be a top notch 2nd line centre, but still hope so) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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