illWill Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Lol, crap. I wrote a big post but somehow screwed it up and deleted it. The gist of it was that we all want Tinordi and NB to succeed but the people that are in the position to evaluate such a thing don't believe they are quite there yet. They picked up Allen to replace Tinordi and Gonchar to replace NB. This team is built on the belief that they can win the cup, so they are doing what they feel is best to achieve that. My original post was much better but I'm too pissed to try to write it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 F'in A sir. cheers I have few worries about bottom 2 or 3 d-men, all more or less under control and smaller issue than scoring by top 9 forwards being weak again this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 After this whole hoopla about playing the kids on D and so forth, nobody even thinks of mentioning how the 2 deals for allen and gonchar essentially free'd up 2 spots in the line up for young guys like sekac now a staple on this team as he should be and another for a bournival (andrighetto, tangradi, bowman recently). so we have gotten younger up front with exception of the defence getting more experienced... i think gonchar has been a welcome addition as well. we tend to forget that gilbert is playing a #5 role now... hardly, the reason for our struggles. the real issues.... SCORING -a struggling power play to go along with being one the most penalized teams and not drawing many ourselves.... and a team offence thats just horrible at times. -sekac, paranteau, DD, eller, plex, galchenyuk and gallagher really have to start contributing on the scoresheet at a more regular clip. - gonchar needs to step up with some secondary scoring to assist subban and markov on the back end. Carey Price's record when the habs score 3or more is astonishing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 MB made the deals to move the exess baggage upfront, since MB was going with known veteran junk (Bourque), over young unknown skill (Secak). Unfortunately, we find ourselves eith the same issue on the blue line. I liked all odd thd deals he's made - gonchar has been better than I thought, but Allan belongs in Hamilton, and weaver and Gilbert should be rotating in he press box. After this whole hoopla about playing the kids on D and so forth, nobody even thinks of mentioning how the 2 deals for allen and gonchar essentially free'd up 2 spots in the line up for young guys like sekac now a staple on this team as he should be and another for a bournival (andrighetto, tangradi, bowman recently). so we have gotten younger up front with exception of the defence getting more experienced... i think gonchar has been a welcome addition as well. we tend to forget that gilbert is playing a #5 role now... hardly, the reason for our struggles. the real issues.... SCORING -a struggling power play to go along with being one the most penalized teams and not drawing many ourselves.... and a team offence thats just horrible at times. -sekac, paranteau, DD, eller, plex, galchenyuk and gallagher really have to start contributing on the scoresheet at a more regular clip. - gonchar needs to step up with some secondary scoring to assist subban and markov on the back end. Carey Price's record when the habs score 3or more is astonishing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Most of those situations are so bad, that bringing in young players will only get them used to a losing culture. Edmonton should've sent back their 1st rounder after 9 games and should send him back now, because pretty much every one of thee young players are regressing. So, who is actually going to teach or be an example to their young Dmen?? The malfunction man ferance certainly doesn't have the character to teach kids. We've got Markov an now Tinordi to show these kids how to play and how to be a pro. Why not take advantage of that?? I think Eakins is one of the few coaches that is actually worse than MT and the canes, oilers and sabres have done a horrible job developing players for years. I really feel for the mess that Nolan walked into. So if they're not contending, why not play the young guys? That's a common sentiment on here. Clearly those teams also see value in letting those prospects play big minutes in the minors over depth duty in the NHL, just like Montreal. And as I said, those four I noted weren't the only ones in those situations either so it's not a matter of it being mostly bad teams doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Most of those situations are so bad, that bringing in young players will only get them used to a losing culture. Edmonton should've sent back their 1st rounder after 9 games and should send him back now, because pretty much every one of thee young players are regressing. So, who is actually going to teach or be an example to their young Dmen?? The malfunction man ferance certainly doesn't have the character to teach kids. We've got Markov an now Tinordi to show these kids how to play and how to be a pro. Why not take advantage of that?? I think Eakins is one of the few coaches that is actually worse than MT and the canes, oilers and sabres have done a horrible job developing players for years. I really feel for the mess that Nolan walked into. Tyler Myers has taken a major leap in the wrong direction. He has some serious talent, that's a guy I'd love to see on Montreal's blue line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Tyler Myers has taken a major leap in the wrong direction. He has some serious talent, that's a guy I'd love to see on Montreal's blue line and therrien likes guys that he does not have to help develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Lol, crap. I wrote a big post but somehow screwed it up and deleted it. The gist of it was that we all want Tinordi and NB to succeed but the people that are in the position to evaluate such a thing don't believe they are quite there yet. They picked up Allen to replace Tinordi and Gonchar to replace NB. This team is built on the belief that they can win the cup, so they are doing what they feel is best to achieve that. My original post was much better but I'm too pissed to try to write it again lol.... so i'm not the only one that does that. strongly disagree on "built to won the cup belief" first line center - Desharnais second line center - Plekanic third d - Emelin fourth d - Gonchar fifth d - your pick of healthy scratch players sixth d - same as fifth d if thats a stanley cup contender, well then its one of twenty five Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 the real issues.... SCORING -a struggling power play to go along with being one the most penalized teams and not drawing many ourselves.... and a team offence thats just horrible at times. -sekac, paranteau, DD, eller, plex, galchenyuk and gallagher really have to start contributing on the scoresheet at a more regular clip. - gonchar needs to step up with some secondary scoring to assist subban and markov on the back end. Carey Price's record when the habs score 3or more is astonishing! And there you have it in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 And there you have it in a nutshell. sums it up pretty well. so playing dd (2 goals) with Pacs on the pp each and every powerplay would not be a way to get more scoring i would assume. trying a different approach might be strongly suggested. glachenyuk playing with plekanic ? nah galchenyuk at center...........what does he need and other 150 games on wing first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Tyler Myers has taken a major leap in the wrong direction. He has some serious talent, that's a guy I'd love to see on Montreal's blue line He's a guy i was saying we should have tried to pick up last year and would love to see him on the habs second pairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 He's a guy i was saying we should have tried to pick up last year and would love to see him on the habs second pairing. Would be great on habs second pair. But dream on i guess. With cap restrictions there are a select few teams out of thirty thaat could have a player like myers on the second pairing. Two top notch D per team....to fill out the 2nd and 3rd pairings, Plan A. good young guys. Plan B. fading band aid vets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 sums it up pretty well. so playing dd (2 goals) with Pacs on the pp each and every powerplay would not be a way to get more scoring i would assume. trying a different approach might be strongly suggested. glachenyuk playing with plekanic ? nah galchenyuk at center...........what does he need and other 150 games on wing first? Do you ever get tired of writing the same three or four posts ten times a day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Do you ever get tired of writing the same three or four posts ten times a day? lol.. well when others are talking about the same thing .... its hockey, how many different ways can ya talk about lack of scoring without repeating yourself. heres one................hey can they get crosby and stampkos to address the lack of scoring that EVERYBODY is talking about. and expecting flurries tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Would be great on habs second pair. But dream on i guess. With cap restrictions there are a select few teams out of thirty thaat could have a player like myers on the second pairing. Two top notch D per team....to fill out the 2nd and 3rd pairings, Plan A. good young guys. Plan B. fading band aid vets. he doesn't cost much more than Emelin. I would have preferred dealing for him than bringing in Gilbert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 lol.. well when others are talking about the same thing .... its hockey, how many different ways can ya talk about lack of scoring without repeating yourself. heres one................hey can they get crosby and stampkos to address the lack of scoring that EVERYBODY is talking about. and expecting flurries tomorrow That would be nice, I imagine it wouldn't cost more than DD, Beaulieu and a first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No, Sabres want to just give him away, even though he playing 25+minutes/game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 That would be nice, I imagine it wouldn't cost more than DD, Beaulieu and a first! yes you may be right ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 he doesn't cost much more than Emelin. I would have preferred dealing for him than bringing in Gilbert. really? I would have thought the pay difference between those two would have been large Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The rumour is that when the Detroit Red Wings asked about Tyler Myers, the Buffalo Sabres requested two first round picks to get the conversation going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 really? I would have thought the pay difference between those two would have been large Myers makes about $1.5M more than Emelin, thanks to a long-term front-loaded deal. Take away the money wasted on one of the habs 7th dmen and 1 of the 3 extra 4th liners and you can afford Myers. The rumour is that when the Detroit Red Wings asked about Tyler Myers, the Buffalo Sabres requested two first round picks to get the conversation going. that was this year, after myers showed signs of improving. Last year, the price was reportedly a 1st and a prospect. Gorges, DD and a 2015 1st round pick may have gotten things done last summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Gilly is a #6..we ought to play him as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Gilly is a #6..we ought to play him as such. so is weaver, and gonchar, and allen, and arguably emelin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Meh, I'd go with Emelin as a #5 or vice versa with Gilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Gilly is a #6..we ought to play him as such. Tell his coach that......PLEASE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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