Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Sure, Tokarski had a nice game, but he's struggled in the past. Condon, after a hot start, faded. What if Carey Price has setback #3? Condon still has waiver eligibility, meaning I would send him down, waive Tokarski (good riddance) and pick up Khudobin, who just didn't fit into the plans in Anaheim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 he's a .908 this season, and was 900 last season. Is that better than Condon/Tokarski? Or is it a waste of 2.25 million in cap space for more of the same? Personally, I wouldn't use the cap space on khudobin when Price will be back soon enough.... save that money for a RW sniper for the top 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I think that if the Habs pick up Khudobin, it signals that Price's injury situation is not as straightforward as it first appeared, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I wouldn't be shocked if they did try to claim him though I don't expect him to wind up a Hab. (I have my doubts he gets that far down the list.) I would classify him as an upgrade on Tokarski at the very least and he has a bit more of a track record than Condon. Khudobin is a better goalie than what Condon has provided in recent weeks although how much of that is just fatigue setting in. And if it wound up forcing Condon to the minors, it wouldn't be the end of the world for him to play more down there. The cap space is the big question - is it worth adding $1.6875 M? (Khudobin's cap hit minus Tokarski's as they wouldn't carry three goalies - and that number would again drop when Price returned when Condon would be sent down or Khudobin re-waived.) That would cut the Habs' current cap space (and I emphasize current as any roster move changes this by a fair bit) by about 48%, less when Price returns and the second goalie goes down. Add in the space that they'll need to activate Kassian if and when he's ready to return and all of a sudden, there isn't a whole lot left. To be honest, I was more optimistic towards the idea of claiming Khudobin at the start of this post than I am now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I wouldn't be shocked if they did try to claim him though I don't expect him to wind up a Hab. (I have my doubts he gets that far down the list.) I would classify him as an upgrade on Tokarski at the very least and he has a bit more of a track record than Condon. Khudobin is a better goalie than what Condon has provided in recent weeks although how much of that is just fatigue setting in. And if it wound up forcing Condon to the minors, it wouldn't be the end of the world for him to play more down there. The cap space is the big question - is it worth adding $1.6875 M? (Khudobin's cap hit minus Tokarski's as they wouldn't carry three goalies - and that number would again drop when Price returned when Condon would be sent down or Khudobin re-waived.) That would cut the Habs' current cap space (and I emphasize current as any roster move changes this by a fair bit) by about 48%, less when Price returns and the second goalie goes down. Add in the space that they'll need to activate Kassian if and when he's ready to return and all of a sudden, there isn't a whole lot left. To be honest, I was more optimistic towards the idea of claiming Khudobin at the start of this post than I am now... HAHAHAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Personally, I don't make the move, at least not yet. I think we have relied on Price too much. This gives the rest of the roster an opportunity to step up and be accounted for. Let's just see where we are at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yeah, I didn't think his cap hit would be that much. But we'll all regret it if we have to use Toke/Condon again in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yeah, I didn't think his cap hit would be that much. But we'll all regret it if we have to use Toke/Condon again in the playoffs. If we have to use Toke/Condon in the playoffs, we are sunk. But are we any better off with Khudobin in the playoffs? Not really, I still think we are sunk. By sunk i still think we could win a round vs the right opponent, but we aren't winning the cup. The guys we'd need to win the cup without Price, aren't available via waivers or trade right now. Bottom line: like 90% of NHL contenders, we need our #1 goalie to be healthy if we want to go far in the playoffs. Goaltending is too important at playoff time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Goal tending is not our problem. Period. We need offence wasting money on a useless pick up is not MB's style. We need a right winger/center who can score. We have good goalies, the losses cannot and should not be blamed on them. The core of this team pissed the bed for 4 games. That includes PK Patches Markov and a bunch of others. we need a goal scorer not a goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Goal tending is not our problem. Period. We need offence wasting money on a useless pick up is not MB's style. We need a right winger/center who can score. We have good goalies, the losses cannot and should not be blamed on them. The core of this team pissed the bed for 4 games. That includes PK Patches Markov and a bunch of others. we need a goal scorer not a goalie. Ok, who do you have in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I wouldn't be shocked if they did try to claim him though I don't expect him to wind up a Hab. (I have my doubts he gets that far down the list.) I would classify him as an upgrade on Tokarski at the very least and he has a bit more of a track record than Condon. Khudobin is a better goalie than what Condon has provided in recent weeks although how much of that is just fatigue setting in. And if it wound up forcing Condon to the minors, it wouldn't be the end of the world for him to play more down there. The cap space is the big question - is it worth adding $1.6875 M? (Khudobin's cap hit minus Tokarski's as they wouldn't carry three goalies - and that number would again drop when Price returned when Condon would be sent down or Khudobin re-waived.) That would cut the Habs' current cap space (and I emphasize current as any roster move changes this by a fair bit) by about 48%, less when Price returns and the second goalie goes down. Add in the space that they'll need to activate Kassian if and when he's ready to return and all of a sudden, there isn't a whole lot left. To be honest, I was more optimistic towards the idea of claiming Khudobin at the start of this post than I am now... That's funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Too much of a cap hit and tokarski proved he could he a serviceable backup in the last two games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Ok, who do you have in mind? I leave that to MB cause he knows who is available and I don't. Do you claim to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 I leave that to MB cause he knows who is available and I don't. Do you claim to? I mean just for speculation sake, I would have to say Vrbata. Expiring deal, compatible player, and MB has done business with Vancouver. He was also rumored to make an offer when he was UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't know If Vrbrata would do well in Montreal's system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't know If Vrbrata would do well in Montreal's system Isn't he a "go to the net hard" type of guy? That would be nice right now with Gally out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I havent seen much of him, but I thought he was really slow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'd wait a bit closer to the deadline, and my preference would be to see if someone younger and with multiple years on their contract shakes loose. If that doesn't happen i look into which of the following UFAs to be are available: in order of preference (obviously some won't be made available for trade, and some won't be available to us, but just a list of UFAs to be). StamkosLadd Hudler Nielsen Okposo Eriksson E. Staal Jagr Boedker Backes Vrbata DoanBrouwer Perron Stempniak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I really like Boedker. Hudler would be a huge piece too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'd wait a bit closer to the deadline, and my preference would be to see if someone younger and with multiple years on their contract shakes loose. If that doesn't happen i look into which of the following UFAs to be are available: in order of preference (obviously some won't be made available for trade, and some won't be available to us, but just a list of UFAs to be). Stamkos Ladd Hudler Nielsen Okposo Eriksson E. Staal Jagr Boedker Backes Vrbata Doan Brouwer Perron Stempniak definitely no to khudobin. YES to okposo... he is extremely underrated... i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I mean just for speculation sake, I would have to say Vrbata. Expiring deal, compatible player, and MB has done business with Vancouver. He was also rumored to make an offer when he was UFA. Ya know I had to look him up but he does have some interesting stats. Signed as a free agent by Van. 34 years old. Hey if we don't have to give up much could be OK. What do you think would have to go the other way? How about Gilbert? Actually I just looked at his salary 5 million cap hit. that would be the problem, we can't afford him for what he brings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Gee man, I don't know if we are really in a position to trade Gilbert anymore, Tinordi not what we hoped and no depth outside Pateryn really, I wouldn't be too comfortable trading Gilbert, I think he's been pretty damn good lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 Tokarski 3 goals on 12 shots WOMP WOMP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 habs, too many shots. No goals. That's a bigger problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 habs, too many shots. No goals. That's a bigger problem Yet another game where the Habs need four goals. Got Gretz and Mess on speed dial? The 80s Oilers are the only team who can make the playoffs with this level of goaltending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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