Neech Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Kane is nowhere near as one-dimensional as Ovechkin. Ovi only had 21 assists this year to go with his 50 goals. A player with Kane's vision has way more versatily to his game. Sure, I believe if you parachute Ovi onto the Blackhawks in Kane's place they'd win Cups, but Ovi also wouldn't wear the C and the team wouldn't be built around him like it is in Washington. If he had Malkin's role beside Sid he'd be fine as well. But he's the clear cut best player and leader of the team, and doesn't have the all-around profile for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Kane is nowhere near as one-dimensional as Ovechkin. Ovi only had 21 assists this year to go with his 50 goals. A player with Kane's vision has way more versatily to his game. Sure, I believe if you parachute Ovi onto the Blackhawks in Kane's place they'd win Cups, but Ovi also wouldn't wear the C and the team wouldn't be built around him like it is in Washington. If he had Malkin's role beside Sid he'd be fine as well. But he's the clear cut best player and leader of the team, and doesn't have the all-around profile for it. Only 21a, what a POS and am sure Caps fans are very disappointed with him. Andrighetto gets 1a in Swiss upset loss to some former Soviet union country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) Looks like Eller playing wing. Just watched a bit of the first. Pretty sure Eller has 4 high sticking penalties lol. Sorry, two double minors and one minor. Edited May 7, 2016 by Stogey24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 Reway centred Slovakia's top line today alongside Marko Dano and Martin Bakos and went pointless in 18:31. Bozon centred France's third line and logged over 16 minutes of ice time which is a whole lot more than I thought he'd get. I'm also quite surprised they're playing him at centre considering he didn't play there very often with St. John's. Condon will get the start for the US later on against Belarus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Kane is nowhere near as one-dimensional as Ovechkin. Ovi only had 21 assists this year to go with his 50 goals. A player with Kane's vision has way more versatily to his game. Sure, I believe if you parachute Ovi onto the Blackhawks in Kane's place they'd win Cups, but Ovi also wouldn't wear the C and the team wouldn't be built around him like it is in Washington. If he had Malkin's role beside Sid he'd be fine as well. But he's the clear cut best player and leader of the team, and doesn't have the all-around profile for it. So goals and assists is two dimensions? Is Ovi throwing big hits and playing way more physical than Kane, another dimension or not. C'mon man, you're grasping at straws here. Every piece of evidence shows that Ovechkin hasn't been the caps problem over the years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 So goals and assists is two dimensions? Is Ovi throwing big hits and playing way more physical than Kane, another dimension or not. C'mon man, you're grasping at straws here. Every piece of evidence shows that Ovechkin hasn't been the caps problem over the years He's clearly their best player. He doesn't have a Toews or Crosby beside him to do the heavy lifting in other facets of the game, and his deficiencies are exposed in the playoffs. I never said 'he's the Caps problem' lol. But yeah, they'd do better in the playoffs with a more complete but slightly less skilled superstar like Tavares in his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 He's clearly their best player. He doesn't have a Toews or Crosby beside him to do the heavy lifting in other facets of the game, and his deficiencies are exposed in the playoffs. I never said 'he's the Caps problem' lol. But yeah, they'd do better in the playoffs with a more complete but slightly less skilled superstar like Tavares in his place. So wait, teams who have two superstars like Kane and Toews, or Crosby and Malkin, do better? No shit. So wait, teams that have multiple players to do different roles do better than teams that don't. Wow, revolutionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Oh and Ovi comes up big with 2 points in an elimination game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Meh, I say Backstrom is right up there in terms of being one of the better complimentary players a superstar could ask for anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 So wait, teams who have two superstars like Kane and Toews, or Crosby and Malkin, do better? No shit. So wait, teams that have multiple players to do different roles do better than teams that don't. Wow, revolutionary. You ignored what I said about Tavares. I'm making a comment on what style of play wins in the playoffs. A talismanic figure having blatant deficits will cost you. If you don't really want to have your best player on the ice at the biggest moments for defensive reasons you're at a disadvantage. But yeah, hockey's a team sport and all, the sum of the parts outweigh individual deficits. It just matters more for the best players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 So wait, teams who have two superstars like Kane and Toews, or Crosby and Malkin, do better? No shit. So wait, teams that have multiple players to do different roles do better than teams that don't. Wow, revolutionary. Damn, broke my sarcasm meter detector right in two... Nice, 10 out of 10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 I'm trying to stay away from the whole argument thing, but Neech, I think your way off man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Not a big fan of his, but respect his skill and shot. Goals win games and in a low scoring era he is simply in league of his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Matthews had sweet 3 point game yesterday: but Laine has 1g 1a in 1st period today, for 5pts in 4 periods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Laine looks like Dale Weise's long lost brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Not a big fan of his, but respect his skill and shot. Goals win games and in a low scoring era he is simply in league of his own. Lol sounds like you agree with me Donny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 You ignored what I said about Tavares. I'm making a comment on what style of play wins in the playoffs. A talismanic figure having blatant deficits will cost you. If you don't really want to have your best player on the ice at the biggest moments for defensive reasons you're at a disadvantage. But yeah, hockey's a team sport and all, the sum of the parts outweigh individual deficits. It just matters more for the best players. And you ignore that Patrick Kane is a terrible defensive player who is never put on the ice to kill penalties or to protect the lead in the last minute, but those defensive deficiencies haven't stopped him from being the best player on 3 cup winning teams. Tavares is also not the guy the Isles use to protect a one goal lead either. He's not as good defensively as say a guy like Nielsen. Again, Ovechkin being their best player is fine. Their history of playoff loses hasn't been due to his poor play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 And you ignore that Patrick Kane is a terrible defensive player who is never put on the ice to kill penalties or to protect the lead in the last minute, but those defensive deficiencies haven't stopped him from being the best player on 3 cup winning teams. Kane is nowhere near the clearcut best player on the Hawks. Many fans and I'm sure GMs too would take Toews first. Still avoiding the larger point I'm making for Berkshire-style snark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 So Kane and Toews are close and neither one is the clear cut best player? So again, we're back to the point that having two players at that level is a good thing come playoff time. exactly what I've been saying all along, Washington's issue isn't ovechkin; its that a team is needed to win a cup. Who is Washington's top dman? John Carlson. Tell me, is Carlson in the league of Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, Zdeno Chara (2011 Edition), Nic Lidstrom, Sergei Gonchar (circa 2009), Niedermayer, Pronger, etc.... You need the entire team. That includes multiple good forwards. A top level defenceman, good goaltending, etc..... so rag on Ovechkin all you want, but Washington has never had the defence to win a cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share Posted May 9, 2016 Not a great day today for the Habs at the Worlds - Nygren had a goal, Eller had an assist (and 0 high sticking penalties) but it was all zeros across the board beyond that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Pretty funny seeing Gallagher and Marchand best buds at the world's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Pretty funny seeing Gallagher and Marchand best buds at the world's. Ha ha, that's a league's worth of hatred compressed onto one team! Those two guys are surely off the charts in terms of loathing by their opponents (although Gallagher isn't nearly the dirty player Marchand is, his insufferable smirk and net-crashing ways clearly drive everybody ballistic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Lol, that smirk is the killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Lol, that smirk is the killer I know...you cross-check him in the face and he just leers at you. And of course there's this: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuternoga Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I know...you cross-check him in the face and he just leers at you. And of course there's this: Beauty! Shoulda been "Brendan Gallagher microtaunts Mark Stone's wrist injury" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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