Athlétique.Canadien Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 (edited) I heard the offer is slightly over 4M$ a season. http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/230119.html This is odd to say the least. Montreal "apparently" has the inside track on Souray. Surely they must know (must have known if rejection rumour is true) that 4 million was enough or it clearly is/was not. Why offer a deal that Souray and his agent will deem rejectable before considering anything? I'm confused. Edited May 31, 2007 by ATHLÉTIQUE.CANADIEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I think the lesson is that we know that the Habs tendered an offer to Souray. And we know absolutely diddly-squat other than that. I have a bad feeling about all of this, but there's really no point in speculating further since we have NOTHING to go on that we didn't have before the story broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Once again another loose 2nd or 3rd hand tidbit of info: CKAC says the offer was 5.7 million. Now I am really confused. Source: Another board. Anyone else hear this on CKAC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 This is 2nd and/or 3rd hand info. REPEAT: This is 2nd and/or 3rd hand info: Sportnet reports Souray has turned down the offer and will test his UFA options. Source: another board. You're inside track is a guy on HF board who said his friend saw Sportsnet new this morning and they said near the end of the show that Souray rejected the offer. The same board that someone made the claim that Gainey offered Souray a deal that paid him 5.7M$ a season. I'll have to check that out this afternoon since unlike TSN, Sportsnet news is taped once and re-broadcast over and over again and the time frame doesn't make much sense with when the Souray story was released. Edit: CKAC is the least of my worries for a credible source. Had Souray got near 6M$, why on earth would he reject? That's exactly what he wants. Edit2: The only sources who will actually have any new news concerning Souray will be RDS (since they pretty much break all the Habs info first..) and the Montreal Gazette (since Stubbs or Boone have direct contact with Souray). Until any of these two medias don't give out any more news, I wouldn't take seriously anything else on the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 (edited) I'd love to have Souray back....for a week or so. then in a nice sign and trade with L.A. for Cammalleri. Check that ... I would even throw in the rights to Perezhogin, Samsonov and our (SJ's ) first round pick. Edited May 31, 2007 by Habitforming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Souray can easily make more money than Markov if he chooses to take that much. Is he worth it? No. Is he worth more than Markov? No. But he has more bargaining power He already said 6M would be much too much for him. I could see him signing for 5M a season. Should we keep him? If we can, then definitely, though anything over 6 million is just going to hurt us. About +/-, is it useless? No. But it's useless to base an argument on this stat. Comparing your +/- to the average +/- of the team is more accurate than comparing it to players on different teams. And even then, comparing it to players on different lines is also inaccurate though to a lesser extent. You can put a defensive specialist with two one-way offensive threats and the defensive guy will probably finish the year in the minuses. I'm not saying Souray is good defensively but I can guarantee you he is not the 3rd worst (and worst defenceman) player in his own zone in the league. He's pretty bad, but not that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 He already said 6M would be much too much for him. He probably does think that, but that doesn't mean he isn't gonna take it if he can get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 He probably does think that, but that doesn't mean he isn't gonna take it if he can get it. he also said he's willing to take a home-town discount to stay with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 If Souray signed for 4M, I'd be okay, but I'm not crazy and there's no POSSIBLE way he's going to sign for that little. Anymore, and I think we should spend hte money on upgrading the D in other ways, or bringing in forwards who can upgrade... D upgrade is the most important though, and having the same D as last year is NOT an upgrade... IF we sign him, we won't have enough money left to make a real upgrade on our D, only maintain what we had last year, and what we had last year wasn't enough. I know all season I was saying I wanted both Souray and markov to stay, but now I'm relaly hoping Souray doesn't come back... I just don't think it's in the best interest of the team... he also said he's willing to take a home-town discount to stay with us. yes, but discount is not a number. He could be talkig the difference of 200K, which wouldn't be enough to matter in the grand scheme of things. I think a lot of that is PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Like I said, he said 6M was way too high which to me means the max he could possibly be thinking is 5.5M. I wouldn't be surprised to see him signed at 5M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 If you don't think your worth 6 mill but someone offers you 6 mill are you going to turn it down? My bet is no and neither will Souray. He will go to the highest bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Yeah, the only kind of people I see turning down big money to go elsewhere are guys like Steve Yzerman and Tom Brady, guys who are the face of their team and beloved by the fans. Souray may like it here, but he's not the face of the team and he's not beloved by the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Exactly, great points Fanpuck. There are no "home town discounts" anymore or rarely. The Habs aren't close enough to the cup currently to get a player to say "these guys are close, i have to play there". sorry but i totally disagree with you on Bouillon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 (edited) Souray for 5 is great. I hope so. Our imaginary cap bubble might be as low as 5.5 if he does sign for 5 or under. The high number (optimistic) is 7.5 to 8 I think we all factored that 10 million for the 2 would be a healthy option given Markov's and Souray's standards and what we needed in remaining cap after they were signed. If Souray goes for 5 then we are .75 over that set limit. I can live with .75 over :hlogo: Edited May 31, 2007 by ATHLÉTIQUE.CANADIEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Exactly, great points Fanpuck. There are no "home town discounts" anymore or rarely. The Habs aren't close enough to the cup currently to get a player to say "these guys are close, i have to play there". sorry but i totally disagree with you on Bouillon. Don't be surprised if Bouillon bounces back with a strong season. Injuries did him a lot of damage last season - he's a prime candidate for a rebound. Anyway...back to pointless speculation about Souray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Bye Bye Sheldon I love the guy, but honestly, what is bringing back the core of the exact same team that missed the playoffs going to get you? Keep some cap space, promote the kids and try to make some trades to improve the team. You do not need a booming shot to have an effective PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 If you don't think your worth 6 mill but someone offers you 6 mill are you going to turn it down? My bet is no and neither will Souray. He will go to the highest bidder. Combine his two statements together. "I will take a discount to sign with the Habs" "6M is way too high for me" Gainey will not offer him 6M and he will be okay with that since he is willing to take less to stay with us, is what he's saying. So if other teams offer him 6M he would be willing to take 5.5M or who knows how much from the Habs. Exactly, great points Fanpuck. There are no "home town discounts" anymore or rarely. The Habs aren't close enough to the cup currently to get a player to say "these guys are close, i have to play there". sorry but i totally disagree with you on Bouillon. I am not saying "I think Souray will want a home-twon discount." SOURAY is saying that he will. If he doesn't, well, he lied but I don't think he is. Also, home-town discount only applies to guys re-signing with their current teams. You just spoke about UFA testing the market. Huge difference. Souray wouldn't join us because we're a player away if he was already here last year - he would sign with us for cheaper because he likes it here, doesn't want to move, personal reasons....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Like I said, he said 6M was way too high which to me means the max he could possibly be thinking is 5.5M. I wouldn't be surprised to see him signed at 5M. I recall he said 5 mil was too much ... maybe im mistaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I recall he said 5 mil was too much ... maybe im mistaken unfortunately, it was 6M that he said was too much. I wish it was 5, but I don't want him for any more than 4, 4.5 max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 he's 32 isn't he? as Dmen go he's got 3 "great" years left... then he's 35....... and then 3 more at a good level... Will other teams offer him 5 years? and at 5 or 6 Mil a season? any info for how long the Habs offer was? 5 years at 5 Mil is what HE should be happy with.. any team giving him that he will take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 he's 32 isn't he? as Dmen go he's got 3 "great" years left... then he's 35....... and then 3 more at a good level... Will other teams offer him 5 years? and at 5 or 6 Mil a season? any info for how long the Habs offer was? 5 years at 5 Mil is what HE should be happy with.. any team giving him that he will take he's about to turn 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan24 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/230119.html Can someone please translate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mont Royale Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Can someone please translate? Montreal newspapers are reporting that Souray has received an offer for a little more than $4 million from the Habs. His agent has confirmed that an offer has been received, but did not disclose the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan24 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Montreal newspapers are reporting that Souray has received an offer for a little more than $4 million from the Habs. His agent has confirmed that an offer has been received, but did not disclose the details. If this is true and he'd sign for it (which he won't) I'd love it. If it's true, 'm glad the habs didn't lose their minds and throw everything and the kitchen sink at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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