CBHabs_fan Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 You stated that you know more about hockey than all the sportswriters, everyone in this thread feels you are slamming Brisebois and disagrees with you, you don't feel he is playing well but the coaching staff should not sit him after last game? A game in which you criticized his play by saying... God Brisebois is useless....COMPLETELY useless Is your difference of opinion so hard to accept? No your difference of opinion is hard to understand. You slammed Breezer, he scored the game winner, he is leading the team in points, he is outperforming the top 2 lines and D pairing and yet you still want me to acceptyour opinion when you have provided ZERO evidence to the contrary. Yet you also agree that he should not be benched?? I am not a Brisebois fan in anyway, but he has nothing to do with anything negative going on in this series. So to slander him is totally senseless. My God man you are dramatic. The line that you continually post in support of your argument is a FIGURE OF SPEECH. At that time he was bobbling the puck in his zone, and to his credit, subsequently getting some nice passes off in time. Then the God's shone down on him and gave him a puck in the high slot, with an open cage. Before that, he snapped a puck on net and SK potted the rebound. Not sure how he got his 3rd point. But to say he outplayed the top 2 lines??? Gimme a break man. Please. You're overdoing it. Let me explain to you more clearly my point of view. I will do it in point form for your convenience. 1) Brisebois has not been bad. Maybe even good by his standards. He is hanging in there. 2) He has also been the beneficiary of some good offensive breaks and looks like a hero 3) I dont think it will continue. I fear that when we play better, faster teams, we will see the old Brisebois (that most of you are pretending you have been confident in all along). Other guys will also show they are more physical than he. 4) Points 1 & 2 are the reasons why I can say the coaching staff wont sit him, but point 3 allows me to also say that I hope he will sit later. I like Ryan O'Byrne and Bou better. Now I'm sure you will have some long, dramatic speech disagreeing with me, and that is fine. These are opinions. But please dont tell me that you dont UNDERSTAND my reasoning. It's been clearly laid out for you. If I take the time to write an opinion here, it's because I believe it....not to please you or anyone else. Feel free to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I really don't know how anyone can be bashing Brisebois right now. He is playing damn good hockey in both ends of the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) My God man you are dramatic. The line that you continually post in support of your argument is a FIGURE OF SPEECH. At that time he was bobbling the puck in his zone, and to his credit, subsequently getting some nice passes off in time. Then the God's shone down on him and gave him a puck in the high slot, with an open cage. Before that, he snapped a puck on net and SK potted the rebound. Not sure how he got his 3rd point. But to say he outplayed the top 2 lines??? Gimme a break man. Please. You're overdoing it. Let me explain to you more clearly my point of view. I will do it in point form for your convenience. 1) Brisebois has not been bad. Maybe even good by his standards. He is hanging in there. 2) He has also been the beneficiary of some good offensive breaks and looks like a hero 3) I dont think it will continue. I fear that when we play better, faster teams, we will see the old Brisebois (that most of you are pretending you have been confident in all along). Other guys will also show they are more physical than he. 4) Points 1 & 2 are the reasons why I can say the coaching staff wont sit him, but point 3 allows me to also say that I hope he will sit later. I like Ryan O'Byrne and Bou better. Now I'm sure you will have some long, dramatic speech disagreeing with me, and that is fine. These are opinions. But please dont tell me that you dont UNDERSTAND my reasoning. It's been clearly laid out for you. If I take the time to write an opinion here, it's because I believe it....not to please you or anyone else. Feel free to disagree. LOL Keep up the strong work God Brisebois is useless....COMPLETELY useless........and now Brisebois is not that bad, maybe good by his standards. Yet you are condescending towards me and calling me dramatic. Make up your mind. Is he useless, not bad or maybe good? Edited April 17, 2008 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 And you forgot Lapierre. He was a huge ingredient in that Calder Cup victory Lapierre also contrubuted a lot, and so did Corey Locke and a few others... with such a great performance by the Bulldogs, we could list most of the team ;-) I named those three because I believe they truly stepped up their game, and proved to be quality money-players. I've always like Lapierre, but I don't think he played quite at the same level as those three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) Lapierre also contrubuted a lot, and so did Corey Locke and a few others... with such a great performance by the Bulldogs, we could list most of the team ;-) I named those three because I believe they truly stepped up their game, and proved to be quality money-players. I've always like Lapierre, but I don't think he played quite at the same level as those three. Really? He was one of the best players on the ice in Game 5 and scored the important opening goal and fed AJ Baines for the winner. He also finished 1 point behind Chips in playoff scoring. If being involved in both goals in a clinching game isn't money, I don't know what is. We will have to agree to disagree Edited April 17, 2008 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Really? He was one of the best players on the ice in Game 5 and scored the important opening goal and fed AJ Baines for the winner. He also finished 1 point behind Chips in playoff scoring. If being involved in both goals in a clinching game isn't money, I don't know what is. We will have to agree to disagree No reason to disagree... I agree Lapierre was also great for the Bulldogs... I just think the other three were even better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 No reason to disagree... I agree Lapierre was also great for the Bulldogs... I just think the other three were even better... cool. I thought you were saying he wasn't clutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 LOL Keep up the strong work God Brisebois is useless....COMPLETELY useless........and now Brisebois is not that bad, maybe good by his standards. Yet you are condescending towards me and calling me dramatic. Make up your mind. Is he useless, not bad or maybe good? You need a better grasp of the English language. If he hasnt been that bad, or maybe good "by his standards", then I guess I could say he has been FAIR. The "useless" quote was in the middle of a game thread at a point where he looked particularly bad. It is called HYPERBOLE, and was borne of frustration. Now you are just turning these posts into nit-picky battles of semantics, when the overall viewpoint I have had about Brisebois has been clear from the start, agree or not. I also thought your middle name was "condescending" by the way you post sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) You need a better grasp of the English language. If he hasnt been that bad, or maybe good "by his standards", then I guess I could say he has been FAIR. The "useless" quote was in the middle of a game thread at a point where he looked particularly bad. It is called HYPERBOLE, and was borne of frustration. Now you are just turning these posts into nit-picky battles of semantics, when the overall viewpoint I have had about Brisebois has been clear from the start, agree or not. I also thought your middle name was "condescending" by the way you post sometimes. you call it Hyperbole, I call it whining Your overall viewpoint on Brisebois is that he has played poorly, was lucky to get a a couple breaks that led to points and that a guy who has not produced all year or the playoffs should replace him because he may play better. I think I am pretty clear on that. I don't think I am the only one who disagrees. I also question why you have not placed blame on anyone else? Or called anybody else useless? As far as my middle name being condescending. I'm OK with that. It is for each individual to judge. I am not here to please anybody but myself. Coming from the guy who knows more than all the sportswriters combined, I find it quite the compliment. Or was that hyperbole as well? Edited April 17, 2008 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 you call it Hyperbole, I call it whining Your overall viewpoint on Brisebois is that he has played poorly, was lucky to get a a couple breaks that led to points and that a guy who has not produced all year or the playoffs should replace him because he may play better. I think I am pretty clear on that. I don't think I am the only one who disagrees. I also question why you have not placed blame on anyone else? Or called anybody else useless? As far as my middle name being condescending. I'm OK with that. It is for each individual to judge. I am not here to please anybody but myself. Coming from the guy who knows more than all the sportswriters combined, I find it quite the compliment. Or was that hyperbole as well? Ok man. Fine. It is obvious that you like to argue. But I'm almost done indulging you. Even though you have ignored my attempt at trying to explain myself to you I'll answere your bolded question: I didnt BLAME anything on anyone....not Brisebois, not Plex, not Kovy....nobody. I simpled stated (far more often than I would have liked, to have you understand), that I dont think Brisebois has played as well overall as you and others do. Not blaming him....just not giving him the credit you might think he deserves. I also dont think he is the guy in that position that will bring us to the cup, so would be happier if he were removed sooner than later. Not sure how much clearer I can put it. Any other questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Also, can you please show me where I said I know more than ALL sportswriters COMBINED. Or did you just exaggerate this statement like many others.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) CBhabs fan, Dude give it up. WE know you don't like Breezer, and you want him out, but people who know more about hockey than you do,(GC, Red Fisher, Bertrand Raymond and Bob) think otherwise. I'll trust their decisions! Edited April 17, 2008 by Habsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Lung Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Brisebois is playing okay... but the fact is that he's Patrice Brisebois. I've gone through too many years of his up-down play to give him too many kudos. I'll take a few good games and whatever he can give... but he's still one of the suckiest sucks who ever sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 CBhabs fan, Dude give it up. WE know you don't like Breezer, and you want him out, but people who know more about hockey than you do,(GC, Red Fisher, Bertrand Raymond and Bob) think otherwise. I'll trust their decisions! Come on Habsfan. I am twisting his words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 CBhabs fan, Dude give it up. WE know you don't like Breezer, and you want him out, but people who know more about hockey than you do,(GC, Red Fisher, Bertrand Raymond and Bob) think otherwise. I'll trust their decisions! That's great man. You trust a bunch of old fogies who often write whatever they think people in Montreal want to hear and I'll trust..........my own eyes. If you think Breezer has played well because of what you've seen on the ice..fine. But gimme a break with the reporters. They are hardly an authority on which to base personal opinion. As for GC and Bob.....how do you know what their plans are for Breezer in the future? Maybe he wont play much longer...or maybe he'll earn his keep. Either way, I'll be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 As far as my middle name being condescending. I'm OK with that. It is for each individual to judge. I am not here to please anybody but myself.Coming from the guy who knows more than all the sportswriters combined, I find it quite the compliment. Or was that hyperbole as well? Well as glad as I am that no other posters are involved......I still think you should find a "different kind" of message board, on which to do that But seriously, its getting too close to gametime and I'm calling a ceasefire....too much negative energy. I'm also getting ganged up on like a schoolboy. It's like when one or 2 bullies gets going on somebody and then everyone else joins in so as not to get bullied. While I'm sure lots agree that Breezer has been playing well, I am positive that I am not alone in my viewpoint. So accept it and forget about it. Time to focus energy on a series-ending game :hlogo: :hlogo: :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) Well as glad as I am that no other posters are involved......I still think you should find a "different kind" of message board, on which to do that But seriously, its getting too close to gametime and I'm calling a ceasefire....too much negative energy. I'm also getting ganged up on like a schoolboy. It's like when one or 2 bullies gets going on somebody and then everyone else joins in so as not to get bullied. While I'm sure lots agree that Breezer has been playing well, I am positive that I am not alone in my viewpoint. So accept it and forget about it. Time to focus energy on a series-ending game :hlogo: :hlogo: :hlogo: Hey, I'm with you on this one. While I enjoy Wamsley's opinions and posts, there's no question that the guy likes to argue. Plus, I agree with you about Breezer. He hasn't been much better than his regular unreliable self, although the good things he's done have ended up on the score sheet. That was an awesome shot last game, but he lost most of his battles for the puck. Now, as for him vs Ryder, I'd rather have him playing D than Streit probably, so I guess that means keeping him in. But I'd rather have O'Byrne or Bouillon in there instead of him. But if we end up playing Philly next round, Breezer may be the man we want (instead of OB) against a smaller team. Edited April 17, 2008 by Neech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) Hey, I'm with you on this one. While I enjoy Wamsley's opinions and posts, there's no question that the guy likes to argue. Hell yeah. If everybody agreed on these boards they would suck. Edited April 17, 2008 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Brisebois is playing okay... but the fact is that he's Patrice Brisebois. I've gone through too many years of his up-down play to give him too many kudos. I'll take a few good games and whatever he can give... but he's still one of the suckiest sucks who ever sucked. The problem was never his play, but rather the expectations that were put on his shoulders by the Habs organization. Patrice Brisebois should have had a very good career as a second-pairing powerplay specialist, but instead was given the responsibilities as well as the salary of a star number 1 defenseman. Obviously, he was never up to that challenge, and the Montreal fans were quick to point their finger towards him. The Peanut era completely destroyed the image, the credibility, and most importantly the on-ice performance of the Montreal Canadiens, and we're just recovering from that thanks mostly to the amazing scouting work of Andre Savard and Trevor Timmins (sorry for Gainey fans, but an answering machine as GM could have rebuilt the Habs the way Gainey did). Unfortunately, I think that the Houle destruction derby almost ruined what could have a been a great career for Saku Koivu, as well as a few others like Breezer's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The problem was never his play, but rather the expectations that were put on his shoulders by the Habs organization. Patrice Brisebois should have had a very good career as a second-pairing powerplay specialist, but instead was given the responsibilities as well as the salary of a star number 1 defenseman. Obviously, he was never up to that challenge, and the Montreal fans were quick to point their finger towards him. The Peanut era completely destroyed the image, the credibility, and most importantly the on-ice performance of the Montreal Canadiens, and we're just recovering from that thanks mostly to the amazing scouting work of Andre Savard and Trevor Timmins (sorry for Gainey fans, but an answering machine as GM could have rebuilt the Habs the way Gainey did). Unfortunately, I think that the Houle destruction derby almost ruined what could have a been a great career for Saku Koivu, as well as a few others like Breezer's. Agree on Breezer As for Gainey, you just opened a whole other can of worms lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Hey, I'm with you on this one. While I enjoy Wamsley's opinions and posts, there's no question that the guy likes to argue. Plus, I agree with you about Breezer. He hasn't been much better than his regular unreliable self, although the good things he's done have ended up on the score sheet. That was an awesome shot last game, but he lost most of his battles for the puck. Now, as for him vs Ryder, I'd rather have him playing D than Streit probably, so I guess that means keeping him in. But I'd rather have O'Byrne or Bouillon in there instead of him. But if we end up playing Philly next round, Breezer may be the man we want (instead of OB) against a smaller team. Finally, I have made a schoolyard friend ! What are you up to at recess? I like Wamsley's posts too, but I'm just not sure how this turned into such an argument, as I never intended it to be. When you have 6 people debating you though....its good for the post count Let me just say that I never thought I would ever get bashed for suggesting Brisebois should be out the lineup this year. I guess that is good news for the CH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 Not trying to open up this can of worms again. But I think the time is now to sit him. He looks very scared and gives the puck up way too much. Time for some of you to eat your words and admit he needs to sit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMPL Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 I'd rather sit Streit or Marky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 brisebois, played OK in the first two games, in that he was involved in a couple of goals. But as usual, he has given up much more chances then he is helping in creating. For a big guy, the guy is about as effective hitting anyone as trying to nail someone with a nerf football. He does not take the body at all in his own end (for him getting phyical means stick checking) and along with Gorges has been making running around and making terrible decisions in his own end. I'd rather sit Streit or Marky. Striet - agreed. You can't sit Markov in the 7th game. Maybe on the 4 game when you are up 3-1, but not on the 7th game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matsnaslundsuperfan Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 (edited) sit experience?... when it is counted on most during this very crucial time. NICE! Man... I'm not going to bother wasting anymore of my time on this one. The floor is yours, CB habs fan Edited April 20, 2008 by matsnaslundsuperfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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