The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 very interesting... I wonder if they are discussing a deal with the Leafs for the rights to negotiate with Sundin... I think we can pretty much assume that discussions with Sundin's agent are a prelude to that. Given how Bob has been burned by rival GMs making irresponsible trades/offers for big-name players, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Bob will happily deal his 1st-round pick for "talking rights" rather than risk losing the big fish on the open market. Of course, nothing guarantees that the initial conversations will produce any sort of progress. Nonetheless, if I'm Sundin, I want to play in Montreal as much as anywhere (except maybe Detroit). Somebody pinch me, I can't believe this could actually happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Come on, Mats! And hey, we haven't retired #13, so no hang ups there! You've tried Quebec, you've tried Toronto... just finish in the middle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Can we merge this with the other in NHL talk or in the permanent rumor thread where it is there as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Can we merge this with the other in NHL talk or in the permanent rumor thread where it is there as well? It's not really a rumour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 It's not really a rumour. Ok then... how about we just put it somewhere that this is already being discussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I have a buddy who loves Sundin to no end and HATES the Habs. The possibilities if this happens have me giddy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brboo Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I have a buddy who loves Sundin to no end and HATES the Habs. The possibilities if this happens have me giddy!! I've already started making the rounds, I have a lot of leaf fan friends/co workers. The look of utter shock on their faces when they pull up the article. Even if it doesn't happen its nice to see them sweat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I've already started making the rounds, I have a lot of leaf fan friends/co workers. The look of utter shock on their faces when they pull up the article. Even if it doesn't happen its nice to see them sweat. I have already prodded the big bear and he hasn't let me down. It only took 3 e-mails to get an EAT ME! response. This could be the greatest season ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habscout Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) If the Habs were to obtain Sundin, at the cost of a draft pick from this year's draft, I would accept it as a reasonable move by Bob Gainey. Even if it means the pick is the first overall, since Sundin still carries more offensive ability then most Habs players, and he has the ability to fit it well on this team, since the entire offensive burden would not be put only on him. If you could picture Sundin wearing any other non-rival team's jersey the majority of his career, then you'll probably agree with me on that statement. What I will have a tougher time accepting is if Montreal also has to give up a starting player from their current roster [ie. the roster that they finished the playoffs], especially if it's a younger player. I doubt BG will do that, since his comments the other day indicate he feels the team is very close to making a serious run in this year's playoffs, that obtaining a front line forward is an important step towards getting there. I believe I read somewhere recently, that Sundin is not interested in playing for an American team this season, due to his business interests/investments in Canada. That makes sense, since there are some provisions for non-American citizens that work in the U.S. that face big tax penalties for investments they hold outside of America. I can't remember the exact details, but I'll try and track this information down this weekend. Edited June 20, 2008 by habscout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) If the Habs were to obtain Sundin, at the cost of a draft pick from this year's draft, I would accept it as a reasonable move by Bob Gainey. Even if it means the pick is the first overall, since Sundin still carries more offensive ability then most Habs players, and he has the ability to fit it well on this team, since the entire offensive burden would not be put only on him. If you could picture Sundin wearing any other non-rival team's jersey the majority of his career, then you'll probably agree with me on that statement. What I will have a tougher time accepting is if Montreal also has to give up a starting player from their current roster [ie. the roster that they finished the playoffs], especially if it's a younger player. I doubt BG will do that, since his comments the other day indicate he feels the team is very close to making a serious run in this year's playoffs, that obtaining a front line forward is an important step towards getting there. I doubt it contains a roster player. Why would you do that when you can just continue contract talks in 10 days at zero cost to you? The Leafs don't really hold much leverage in this situation Edited June 20, 2008 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) If the Habs were to obtain Sundin, at the cost of a draft pick from this year's draft, I would accept it as a reasonable move by Bob Gainey. Even if it means the pick is the first overall, since Sundin still carries more offensive ability then most Habs players, and he has the ability to fit it well on this team, since the entire offensive burden would not be put only on him. If you could picture Sundin wearing any other non-rival team's jersey the majority of his career, then you'll probably agree with me on that statement. What I will have a tougher time accepting is if Montreal also has to give up a starting player from their current roster [ie. the roster that they finished the playoffs], especially if it's a younger player. I doubt BG will do that, since his comments the other day indicate he feels the team is very close to making a serious run in this year's playoffs, that obtaining a front line forward is an important step towards getting there. No, you're better off taking your chances on the UFA market than surrendering a roster player just to talk to Sundin. But I haven't heard any suggestion that that's come up. If it did, I'd fervently oppose it. Beyond that - Sundin in a Habs' jersey??? It would be PHENOMENAL. Edited June 20, 2008 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhfarber Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 As a habs fan living in Toronto I'm salivating about this possibility. Nothing would be better to hold over my leaf fan friends than this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 As a habs fan living in Toronto I'm salivating about this possibility. Nothing would be better to hold over my leaf fan friends than this . This is great! I can imagine how sick I would have felt if Foule had trade Roy to the Leafs in 1995. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 As a habs fan living in Toronto I'm salivating about this possibility. Nothing would be better to hold over my leaf fan friends than this . doug gilmour's value in this regard has worn out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habscout Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I believe I read somewhere recently, that Sundin is not interested in playing for an American team this season, due to his business interests/investments in Canada. That makes sense, since there are some provisions for non-American citizens that work in the U.S. that face big tax penalties for investments they hold outside of America. I can't remember the exact details, but I'll try and track this information down this weekend. Anyways, if staying in Canada is a major factor for Sundin, then I'd have to think the Habs stand the best chance at getting him. Of course, the whole 'news' item could just be a ploy from the Leafs to get a decision out of Mats quicker, on whether he's going to return to Toronto or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 doug gilmour's value in this regard has worn out? Gilmour came after playing in Jersey, Chicago and Buffalo and was essentially shot as a player. Also the Habs were crap at the time. Sundin is their best player and is coming directly to the Habs and could possibly make them the best team in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Gilmour came after playing in Jersey, Chicago and Buffalo and was essentially shot as a player. Also the Habs were crap at the time. Sundin is their best player and is coming directly to the Habs and could possibly make them the best team in the East..... AGAIN I fixed it up there a bit for ya Wamsley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habscout Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Actually, I believe the Flyers GM Paul Holmgren made a wise move around this time last year, when he traded a first round pick for the rights to Scott Hartnell & Kimmo Timonen, then signed them up to contracts before they became UFA's, beating everyone to the punch by about 12 days. He must have identified these 2 players as players he really wanted, and expected they would also be very sought after as UFAs. So, if Gainey has identified Sundin as the best player to fit the team's need, which Sundin does, since he's a big #1 centre, with great offensive skill, good on faceoffs, good leader, and decent on defence, then if his salary demands are in line with what the Habs can afford, I say it's worth getting him early. No, you're better off taking your chances on the UFA market than surrendering a roster player just to talk to Sundin. But I haven't heard any suggestion that that's come up. If it did, I'd fervently oppose it. Beyond that - Sundin in a Habs' jersey??? It would be PHENOMENAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I fixed it up there a bit for ya Wamsley. Thanks Actually, I believe the Flyers GM Paul Holmgren made a wise move around this time last year, when he traded a first round pick for the rights to Scott Hartnell & Kimmo Timonen, then signed them up to contracts before they became UFA's, beating everyone to the punch by about 12 days. He must have identified these 2 players as players he really wanted, and expected they would also be very sought after as UFAs. So, if Gainey has identified Sundin as the best player to fit the team's need, which Sundin does, since he's a big #1 centre, with great offensive skill, good on faceoffs, good leader, and decent on defence, then if his salary demands are in line with what the Habs can afford, I say it's worth getting him early. No lose for the Flyers. They were trading back the pick they got in the Forsberg deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhfarber Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Ek is reporting that we're going to send our first for negotiating rights to Sundin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Just to talk to the agent means that Bob has the better offer to talk to the UFA Sundin. This also shows that Sundin as agreed to talk to the most interesting team for him before the deadline. It shows that Bob is ready and fed up to be best second place in players choice. I wonder if Sundin-Kovalev and Sundin-Mogilny would have the same chemistry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Ek is reporting that we're going to send our first for negotiating rights to Sundin... I hope Bob has made a deal in which the pick is dependant upon reaching an agreement. I would be pretty pissed to lose a first round pick for nothing if a deal wasn't reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 (edited) I wish I were in Toronto right now to see the pathetic faces of all those Leaves fans cringing at the thought of Sundin playing in Habstown. Could you imagine the looks on their faces if the Habs were to actually win the cup with SUndin!?!?!? That would be priceless!! We could hang that over their heads for the rest of time!! Edited June 20, 2008 by Habsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I hope Bob has made a deal in which the pick is dependant upon reaching an agreement. I would be pretty pissed to lose a first round pick for nothing if a deal wasn't reached. SO would I. I would think Bob is smart enough to put some kind of condition to protect himself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I wish I were in Toronto right now to see the pathetic faces of all those Leaves fans cringing at the thought of Sundin playing in Habstown. Could you imagine the looks on their faces if the Habs were to actually win the cup with SUndin!?!?!? That would be priceless!! We could hang that over their heads for the rest of time!! I am in Toronto right now and it is GREAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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