Habsy Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Scotty Bowman was just on local radio, stayed in the car just to listen. Two points that I thought I'd relay. He said it looks like the players have a crutch to use now, the coaching language stuff. And if they have a crutch they'll use it. It's RC's job to remove it. Also, any coach in this market should have a working knowledge of some French. He did. But it wasn't in a bury Cunneyworth way. Larry Cariere could be used to assist in French language media duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I agree Cucumber... I think that while some of the moves might have been coming, they were handled very poorly, especially the timing. Game day firings are just dumb, imo. I was also surprised at JM being fired when they apparently had no real plan to replace him, unless you believe they had no clue the french thing would come up. And if you believe that, then why did they call him interim coach in the first place??? I think PG is on his way out, but I am afraid the holdup is that they want Gainey back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 If Gainey comes back, its probably only to finish the season and to trade guys for draft picks. Then the new GM starts in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 The solution to our woes is very simple. Move the Yotes to Quebec. The french media will instantly hate the Habs and since they won't like them anyway, the Habs can move forward as a team and give the "we need french coaches and players" type the finger. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 crawford made the single worst coaching decision in the history of sports, and i'll never forgive him for it. Revisionist history at best. The team started off 1-5-2 and was still above 500 when Martin was fired.... I'd say the trend was going the other way. They started poorly, found their game, and were slowly losing it. We may have had 6 in 7 in terms of points, or whoever the heck it was, but the play was getting worse by the game. They were more and more disorganized, and things were already starting to spiral. What you call revisionist history, I call paying attention to overall play, and not just squeezing out points. Horsefeathers. This is a team reacting to having a lame duck coach, a halfway out the door GM and a meddlesome owner. It was the exact opposite of what management wanted from Martin being fired, because up until the moment Martin was fired, the organization had at least a semblance of stability. Now it's a shitstorm, and the on-ice product is mirroring that. Now I know you're more observant than that. You telling me you didn't see them getting progressively worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 They weren't getting worse... they played a good game against philly and were a bit unlucky to lose that one; getting completely jobbed out of a goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Now I know you're more observant than that. You telling me you didn't see them getting progressively worse? I saw a team playing pretty consistently safe and bad hockey while they awaited help from the IR, but I didn't see a team sliding towards the abyss they're currently swimming in. You've written extensively about how badly management messed up the firing situation, and how it must have affected the room, but now you're adding the tagline, "...but it was all going to happen with Martin here anyway!" and I just can't buy it. It's such a colossal organizational ######up with massive ramifications on the psyche of an athlete... but the outcome would have been the same without the colossal organizational ######up. I don't see how it's possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I saw a team playing pretty consistently safe and bad hockey while they awaited help from the IR, but I didn't see a team sliding towards the abyss they're currently swimming in. You've written extensively about how badly management messed up the firing situation, and how it must have affected the room, but now you're adding the tagline, "...but it was all going to happen with Martin here anyway!" and I just can't buy it. It's such a colossal organizational ######up with massive ramifications on the psyche of an athlete... but the outcome would have been the same without the colossal organizational ######up. I don't see how it's possible. The firing was a colossal screw up. That he needed to be fired was not. The firing was handled poorly. Management blew that whole fiasco. And I guess you and I saw different things. I saw fewer and fewer players giving a crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 What an odd debate. The Jacques Martin fan club can meet in a phone booth. And that seems to include his actual players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icer13 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Muller, Boucher... Vigneault, Julien... How do they keep getting away? Oh did I mention the last two coached the last game of the season last year, you know the one for the Stanley Cup!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 What an odd debate. The Jacques Martin fan club can meet in a phone booth. And that seems to include his actual players. I'm not a huge fan of Martin, but I did like his structure and his system. I believe they were better off with him than without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 What an odd debate. The Jacques Martin fan club can meet in a phone booth. And that seems to include his actual players. I'm not a huge fan of Martin, but I did like his structure and his system. I believe they were better off with him than without him. Habnut... you, me, and Commandant - phonebooth at Main and Park. Toga party! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Habnut... you, me, and Commandant - phonebooth at Main and Park. Toga party! Lol. CC is also invited. I'll bring the bailey's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Lol. CC is also invited. I'll bring the bailey's You guys like cigars? Let's do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Habnut... you, me, and Commandant - phonebooth at Main and Park. Toga party! You can count me in too. I think by Phonebooth he was referring to the Bell Centre. That might be able to hold us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 You can count me in too. I think by Phonebooth he was referring to the Bell Centre. That might be able to hold us all. Wait for me!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I'll bring fun-dips, mountain dew and 'Just Dance 3' for the Wii. OMG I LOVE PARTIES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I guess the 'fire JM' crew will have our party in the Olympic stadium? Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I'll bring fun-dips, mountain dew and 'Just Dance 3' for the Wii. OMG I LOVE PARTIES Fun-dips, Mountain Dew and 'Just Dance 3?' Stay home, bro!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 You expected a fun and a good time from the pro JM crowd?? Fun-dips, Mountain Dew and 'Just Dance 3?' Stay home, bro!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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