Butterface Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 On 12/7/2024 at 7:21 PM, GHT120 said: Price's $10.5M AAV was 13.2% of the cap the first of the contract (14% of the cap when he extended a year early) ... Lundqvist's $8.5M was also 13.2% in the first year of his deal ... Bobrovsky was 12.3% of the cap his first season ... so 10% seems uber-reasonable for the NHL's best goalie Price’s contract worked out to 12.5% of the cap max averaged out over the 8 year term - in 2018-19 at 79.5 million cap until it expires in 2025-26 at 92.5 million cap. (That was 84 million divided by 670.5 million) Lundqvist contract worked out to 11.2% of the cap max averaged out over the 7 year life of the contract. Bobrovsky’s contract worked out to 11.8% of the cap max averaged out over the 7 year term of the contract. That is how I guesstimated the Shersterkin deal at 10.65 million per. I added up all the expected salary cap max numbers for the life of his contract and used 10%. He came in at 11.5 million so either the Rangers believed the cap max numbers were higher than my estimates or rightfully, as Commandant suggested, my 10% estimate could be low based on Price, Lundqvist and Bobrovsky. In my defence, the cap had been moving up quite steadily since 2005-06 but from 2018-19 it just went flat, then Covid. Lundqvist saw the best growth in cap during his contract… that maybe why his percentage is lowest. I bet when all parties sat down to negotiate these 3 contracts, they thought the cap would be growing as it had been. They were probably aiming for 10% but a stagnant cap @$#& it up. I’m just trying to make myself look good by saying that 10% is as high as you want to pay a very good goalie. (What is Primeau worth as a percentage of cap ? …. don’t answer that) My head began to explode doing all this. So I decided to give ChatGPT the above data. Asked it to come up with a logical progression for the NHL salary cap with these goalie contracts data in mind. It did. Then I asked it to re-evaluate these cap expectations based on the comments of dlbalr and GHT120 (which I cut and pasted straight into ChatGPT) … it then modified the salary cap numbers slightly, very slightly upwards ! So what have I done in the end ? I’ve taken the average of 4 scenarios to predict the next eight years growth based on the goalie contracts, expected tv revenues and all the other crap combined. I will ask ChatGPT to then add another year based on these averaged projections. I will then have 9 years of NHL salary cap expectations that are the best guesstimates I can come up with to gauge who the Canadiens can and cannot keep on the team under the cap. All these numbers are based on 92.5 million next year. Each one of my 4 projections that I averaged out started with 92.5 in 2025-26. Here they are…. 2025-26 $92.5 2026-27 $96.0 2027-28 $99.375 2028-29 $102.625 2029-30 $106.375 2030-31 $110.25 2031-32 $114.25 2032-33 $118.25 2033-34 $122.25 BTW I asked CHATGPT if these were reasonable estimates and it said after factoring all we talked about, “yes”… then it gave me the 2033-34 cap estimate. Does anybody hate these numbers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 Okay if we are all at least understanding the concept and don’t hate it too much, here is where I need help and please feel free to kindly explain where I have gone wrong. There could be mistakes in places. I guesstimated a Struble contract and yes, a Hutson contract and a Heineman contract. Oh, and an Xhekaj contract and a Mailloux contract and a Roy contract. We can change those numbers… term as well (Hutson 8 years, Struble 2, Heineman 5, Mailloux 2 and Xhekaj 3-5 were my thoughts). We can even decide to move on from players or re-up existing players. (See question marks for Pez, Evans). And we can decide to place Beck or Kapanen back in minors should we sign say, Evans… My chart goes to 2033-34 but I only show here to 2026-27…. later years I make large guesses that I’d rather not defend right now. The line up unfortunately assumes we don’t do trades until we actually do one (but we can see how a player might fit inside our cap structure if there is a rumour). We ride out our best players in the core and it assumes the players we draft in first round we keep and they aren’t busts…. Until we see they are busts. The spreadsheet will show a logical progression of contracts like Slaf, Hutson, Xhekaj, Struble, Barron and Heineman received. These will serve as a guide for our first round draft prospects in 2025 and in 2026 (again who I presume won’t be busts until they actually are). So yes some aspects when projecting the future are based on unrealistic assumptions (like all our picks will be awesome) and that is why there is an element of bullshit. I won’t deny it. It’s a bit of fact and a bit of hocus pocus. But using our best ChatGPT-aided cap projections, we can see if a player fits inside the cap and how much we can spend if we choose to re-up a player like Laine. Also how could we structure a Dach contract with dollars and term to fit both Laine and Dach on the team. Do all the previous core contracts fit under the cap as well ? Then when we get an actual contract signed we can punch in the new numbers and see how that might affect our future. Obviously we can’t sign 18 players for big money and turn around and only have 1 million in cap space left to fit the last 5 players. If we see this three years out we can see there will be changes. I aim to keep the core players at 50% of the max cap. The secondary core players will command 25% of the cap (Or at least a mix of the two at 75% of cap overall). Then pluggers will fill in the last 25% of the cap. We will aim for a mix of forwards and defenders in the core for balance. (See the issues of Oilers and Leafs for not having balance in their core). You’ll see in 2025-26 there is no number for Reinbacher because he will be in minors for now with no effect on the cap. Same with Fowler who I assume will be paid and making a jump to pro next year, but not against our cap. Also the 2025 first round draft picks will not be counted against our cap next year for now. I just want to see where complaints, ideas and concept dislikes are in first two years before I really start to project way far out. If you feel this is not your bag or there is too much assuming going on, I’ll understand. Next year I have 22 players against the cap. We can argue out some and argue in some as long as we presently have them signed or drafted. Add Pez and Evans and remove Beck ? Whatever you you want to mix and match under the cap and with LTIR considered. The following year I have 21 players penciled in. Again we can argue some in and some out. Oh yeah.. no Primeau. Dobes takes over. Gave Dobes a new contract. Also… yellow is core, blue is secondary core, grey is pluggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 8, 2024 Author Share Posted December 8, 2024 From looking at the above we have the option and money to sign Evans and not use our LTIR. We could even sign both Evans and Pez and then push either Roy, Kapanen or Beck off the books down to the farm. I think signing Evans and Pez would cost less than 5 million… (extra bit of cash from 4.3 million because of one of those guys dropping down) (If my contract amounts for Heineman, Dobes and Struble are in line !!) Pez and Barron can continue to sit. Maybe Pez is tired of his situation ? Maybe we want to play our young centres and also keep Dach at centre… trade Evans… ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 8, 2024 Share Posted December 8, 2024 2 hours ago, Butterface said: From looking at the above we have the option and money to sign Evans and not use our LTIR. We could even sign both Evans and Pez and then push either Roy, Kapanen or Beck off the books down to the farm. I think signing Evans and Pez would cost less than 5 million… (extra bit of cash from 4.3 million because of one of those guys dropping down) (If my contract amounts for Heineman, Dobes and Struble are in line !!) Pez and Barron can continue to sit. Maybe Pez is tired of his situation ? Maybe we want to play our young centres and also keep Dach at centre… trade Evans… ? Not sure what we waste a contract spot on pezatta next year?? Have guy that are knocking on the door. Have Demidov coming in. Evans Id sign for up to 4 years at $2.75m to $3m. You always need centres and he is a guy who has talent and never takes night off. I'd have him as the number 3 centre, unless Beck or Kapanan show they can punch him down the lineup. Otherwise a rising cap, I don't see any issues in being able to move him if he gets passed by other players. not sure why everyone is comparing giving him 4 years at under $3m to giving Gallagher $6m for 6 years when the cap was lower and flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Not sure what we waste a contract spot on pezatta next year?? The argument "for" Pezzetta would be that he is happy being a 13th forward and collecting an NHL salary ... unless you have 2-3 players to rotate in the 11/12&13th spots, having a designated 13th forward has value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 47 minutes ago, GHT120 said: The argument "for" Pezzetta would be that he is happy being a 13th forward and collecting an NHL salary ... unless you have 2-3 players to rotate in the 11/12&13th spots, having a designated 13th forward has value. I just don't think there will be room for him next year. Even dropping Dvorak and Armia, I don't think there is room for him. We have Demidov, Roy, Beck, Kapanan all knocking on the door next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 9, 2024 Author Share Posted December 9, 2024 On 12/8/2024 at 5:18 PM, hab29RETIRED said: not sure why everyone is comparing giving him 4 years at under $3m to giving Gallagher $6m for 6 years when the cap was lower and flat. Not sure either. I don’t see him breaking the bank. Term might be a question. If the cap is rising like it was previous to 2019, he won’t be hard to trade. I’d only want him a couple of years… but there is merit to trading him at a high. I’d like to know what you guys think for: Part One: Goalies Primeau should his tailspin continue….. out the door or let him struggle one more year ? Would he sign a one year contract ? Dobes I think we want a two year contract for. If Fowler comes next year should we give him the Rocket crease ? Would that mean we’d want Dobes on the big club if Fowler shows up next year ? Obviously if Primeau turns it around it’s a good thing, but what then ? What about Hughes the goalie ? Lots of goalie contracts to negotiate this summer. I just straight out left Primeau off the team next year… he either turns it around and gets traded or Dobes passes him on the depth chart and we walk away from Primeau. Certainly don’t want him backing up Fowler, do we ? Only Montembeault has a forever home next couple of years. Part Two: what about skaters ? Term and dollars for Heineman, Struble and Dobes… can we get a feel for those 3 contracts before discussing the bigger contracts looming the following year… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 9, 2024 Author Share Posted December 9, 2024 5 hours ago, GHT120 said: The argument "for" Pezzetta would be that he is happy being a 13th forward and collecting an NHL salary ... unless you have 2-3 players to rotate in the 11/12&13th spots, having a designated 13th forward has value. Agreed. He sits and others could skate in AHL for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 9, 2024 Author Share Posted December 9, 2024 4 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: I just don't think there will be room for him next year. Even dropping Dvorak and Armia, I don't think there is room for him. We have Demidov, Roy, Beck, Kapanan all knocking on the door next year. Good points as well. But Pez doesn’t mind sitting so far and we have to scratch skaters to keep Barron company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 9, 2024 Share Posted December 9, 2024 11 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: not sure why everyone is comparing giving him 4 years at under $3m to giving Gallagher $6m for 6 years when the cap was lower and flat. From my perspective I’m not comparing an Evans contract directly to Gallagher’s contract. It’s the idea that Montreal might over pay for a Evans because of how much he means to the team. That’s what happened to Gallagher - he was overpaid because he was the team’s warrior. Evans is playing 4th line right now and other than stints covering other lines, Evans has always been 4th line. How much should we pay a 4th liner? We put a great deal of stock in the fact that Evans is heavily used on the PK and in defensive roles. Is there nobody else that can do that? Why are we talking about a 4th liner as if he is a KEY component of our team? Over paying for bottom 6 forwards is not good cap management and why on earth would Evans sign a short term contract at his age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 9, 2024 Author Share Posted December 9, 2024 17 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Over paying for bottom 6 forwards is not good cap management and why on earth would Evans sign a short term contract at his age? I agree with all that above. Prime age for an NHL player is what, 26-31 for argument's sake ? They look to end their careers with a decent contract about 31-32 years old … a nice 4-5 year term and $$ that takes them to 36-37 years of age ? (not everyone is a Crosby, Ovy, Jagr) Jake might be willing to sign a 2-3 year contract with hopes of signing a final contract thereafter, while still in his prime years, that would see him to retirement. I’m just spitballing. He might bet on himself and sign a two year deal ? Or do we think he will want to cash in now because of the season and maybe his health (which has been fine since the Scheifele hit) and go for a longer term deal ? If I’m Jake and his agent I’m thinking cash in on this great year so far. Ask for as much money and as long a term as I can squeeze from Hughes while my perceived worth is high and my replacements are green. Hughes does have some power too with decent replacements and the option to get a pretty good return in the trade market. Jake’s value seems to be getting stronger … might need to revisit what I thought he was worth a month ago. There has to have been some dialogue about money and term by now for Hughes to make a decision before TDL. It’s been weighed. Use the money for Evans or Savard or something else ? Will we trade the Price contract after we pay the final signing bonus ? Or are we owning the contract to maturity ? After we pay 5.5 million July 1st a team would receive a 10.5 million AAV contract and only pay 2 million real cash for it. Are there any teams needing this kind of money to get to the floor ? If you pay Jake 3.5 million for 4 years, take on Laine for 10 million and Dach at Guhle money of 5.5 million things are manageable until the end of 2027-28 when Demidov ends his ELC and a few other guys get re-ups. Just throwing that money out there for the sake of argument. We can keep those three at those prices until then. A million or two more might cause a bit more havoc to the word “manageable”. But before 2028-29 season we’d need to move out $10,000,000 in core contracts to stay balanced and under the salary cap. Basically if we re-sign Laine for just 2 more years at $10,000,000 we can manage. The Montembeault contract and Newhook contracts could be hiccups, but manageable. Especially manageable if Dobes and Fowler are playing NHL-ready hockey. Sorry I’m getting way off track. Getting back to Jake I’m okay with term 2 to 4 years at as much as 3.5 million (preferably less). I would try to make the contract as trade-able as possible because I’d want it gone as early as a year from now, but definitely by 2 years from now. I’m perfectly happy to trade him and let Kapanen and Beck take over too. To be honest Jake’s next contract isn't going to make or break this team. It is going to be all about the growth of the players that would be replacing Jake. Are they better suited to progress in AHL or NHL for a year ? Who will be a healthy scratch if Jake stays on the team ? Maybe it’s better to get rid of him and just let Kapanen and Beck learn on the job. Have more cap flexibility get a draft pick and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 9, 2024 Author Share Posted December 9, 2024 I just read this vis-a-vis Jake Evans next contract.. https://thesickpodcast.com/crunching-the-numbers-on-jake-evans-future/ Deeper analysis with comparables. Basically saying 5 years…4 million per (or more!)… is what he’d look for. I think it is too much and you take a chance he reverts to his average year stats. (outlier year this year).. Trade him. Especially if we trade the others at TDL too and fall in standings… we can maybe get a top 5 draft pick centre. Got to give him props. 7th rounder ? Worked his way up. From mail room to getting a key to the executive washroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 9, 2024 Author Share Posted December 9, 2024 I do want to get term and dollar estimates on some contracts so I can roll out the spreadsheet for another two years and argue about bigger assumptions. Assumptions that I put in assuming where we pick in the 2025 Draft. 1. Heineman term and $$ (I have 4 years at 3)… secondary at this point 2. Dobes term and $$ (I have 2 years at 1.5 but likely can get for less) 3. Struble term and $$ (I have 2 years at 1.3 to mirror Xhekaj) .. plugger 4. Primeau term and $$ or gone (I have Primeau vanishing into thin air)… ghost These are all contracts that need to get done by July 1, 2025. Then we need to discuss contracts of: 1. Hutson term and $$ (I have 8 years at 9 million)(core contract) 2. Dach term and $$ (3 years at 5.5 million)…could be secondary (or trade) 3. Mailloux term and $$ (2 years at 2 million).. could be either core or secondary 4. Roy term and $$ (2 years at 2 million).. could be secondary or plugger 5. Xhekaj term and $$ (3 years at 2.8 million).. could be secondary or plugger 6. Barron term and $$ or trade (no score at moment)… could be trade or plugger I think Roy, Beck, Kapanen will be best guesstimated when we see Heineman’s contract.. but I’d like to get them guesstimated. I don’t have a good grasp on what I should expect for contracts above. I did not base my term off much. Only deciding if I wanted a “show me” contract or if I wanted a “core” contract or a “secondary core” contract. Dollars were also guesstimates too. So I’d appreciate lots of help with the above estimates. Finally after this we can see if and how Laine fits in. These are all contracts that we negotiate before July 1, 2026. We can also discuss Dach vs Laine to keep, or trading Dach, or trading Laine for that matter after we get some cells in the spreadsheet figured out with the above contract guesstimates. All the above is up for debate. No wrong answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 10, 2024 Author Share Posted December 10, 2024 I read this article and I really think Schaeffer looks good, but I don’t want a LHD if we pick high enough to get him. I would prefer a potential number 1 or 2 Centre… (or Misa). There are lots of Centres in top 7 picks. https://awinninghabit.com/sorry-canadiens-fans-it-might-be-time-to-start-looking-at-the-draft-boards The Canadiens will never live down their selection of David Reinbacher over Matvei Michkov. Michkov has been a force for the Philadelphia Flyers this season, and the hate pours in more and more on social media as he racks up points game after game. Taking a defenseman over skilled forwards may be a sore spot for Habs fans, but you may wish it hasn't spooked Kent Hughes and the scouting staff. The 2025 NHL Draft will have a top-five with many different permeations, but it could be in their best interest to opt for the defenseman over the four forwards. James Hagens, Michael Misa, Porter Martone, and Roger McQueen are the top-four forwards, with Ivan Ryabkin making a push in the preseason but seeing his stock take a hit once the games started. However, Matthew Schaefer is a name that many people watch and could end up stealing the No. 1 spot in this year's draft. The above is a snippet from the article. I think we get a forward first if we pick top 6, and with our next pick, (Calgary’s), we trade up (or down) to get a RHD. If we don’t get a top 6 pick, we rethink the strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 10, 2024 Author Share Posted December 10, 2024 Here is a TSN story on Slafkovsky, Hutson, and the rebuild to competitive in playoffs. Mike Johnson is saying 3 years and preaches patience on Slaf, and that Hutson is a 2nd pair defensemen who quarterbacks the power play. https://www.tsn.ca/betting/video/inside-edge-level-of-concern-on-slafkovsky~3043581 Video is from Dec 9th 7pm-ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 10, 2024 Author Share Posted December 10, 2024 Here is a quick article discussing whether we paid Slafkovsky too soon which was touched on by Mike Johnson in the video above. https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/montreal-canadiens/latest-news/canadiens-too-rich-too-soon Just wondering with Lane Hutson being the exact same age (within a couple of months) if we will go the full 8 years as well or do a bridge. I’m assuming the full 8… he has more star power than Slaf at the moment and is arguably more valuable to the team. This might help guide where we can predict the next Hutson contract.. part of me wants to say Hughes might try to keep him around Slaf, Caufield, Suzuki money and part of me says his agent will be looking for Juan Soto money. Hutson’s contract could vary between two years and 8 years…. And the money could range from 5-10 million. I have to assume he is a key piece to our Core. I would guess we want to lock him up for 8 years. In which case 7.6 million to 10 million. 8-9 million being most likely if we look at Slafs contract. Thoughts ? I don’t want to guesstimate those 11 players’ contracts myself… but I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 10, 2024 Author Share Posted December 10, 2024 In my mind I want to get that top five pick and grab Misa or a Centre. It is kinda important we still suck a bit this year to get one more top end talent. Then take the Calgary pick and package it with a second round pick and move down in the draft… likely can trade down to as low as 12th overall pick (1300 points) using one of the two second round picks (450 points) we have, packaged with the Calgarys pick (900 points). If the #8 RHD falls to 12 make that trade. If we want the #16 RHD… that is easily achievable. The other two RHD (#20 and #23) in first round we may not need to trade down for. Take your pick and get the one you want. Play the crap out of that RHD in junior (college or wherever) and the AHL so he can contribute in the NHL starting in 2029-30 just as we enter a stage of solid playoff success. In the meantime don’t sell the farm looking for a RHD… fill a need, but don’t sell the farm. Article suggesting we’re still on hunt for RHD below. https://www.si.com/onsi/breakaway/news-feed-page/montreal-canadiens-targeting-specific-defensive-position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 10, 2024 Author Share Posted December 10, 2024 On 12/8/2024 at 8:06 AM, Butterface said: 2025-26 $92.5 2026-27 $96.0 2027-28 $99.375 2028-29 $102.625 2029-30 $106.375 2030-31 $110.25 2031-32 $114.25 2032-33 $118.25 2033-34 $122.25 https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/insider-trading-just-how-high-could-the-nhl-salary-cap-go-1.2218018 If the cap increases next year or they build it in with no large jumps, by 2033-34 you could see the cap reach 128 million. That was my highest estimate in 2033-34 of the 4 estimates I averaged. It could look like: 2025-26 $94 2026-27 $99 2027-28 $104 2028-29 $108 2029-30 $112 2030-31 $116 2031-32 $120 2032-33 $124 2033-34 $128 Bigger jumps at beginning to catch it up. I’m going to keep numbers as discussed earlier until they change it. Then look at it again and we can make new projections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 10, 2024 Share Posted December 10, 2024 The amount of work that you have put into this is impressive. Sorry that I have nothing to add to this discussion because the accounting and math involved is genuine work and I’m too lazy. Enjoying the thread though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 11, 2024 Author Share Posted December 11, 2024 2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: The amount of work that you have put into this is impressive. Sorry that I have nothing to add to this discussion because the accounting and math involved is genuine work and I’m too lazy. Enjoying the thread though No worries. I like doing it. I know there is a lot guessing involved and it doesn’t get interesting until we fill in some cells on excel. Some people would find it too much guesswork to be useful, but I’m telling you somewhere there is something just as sketchy, but more accurate, in the office of Kent Hughes. This is not an exact science and as contracts are updated in the real world and we change estimates to better estimates, that is when we see the bigger picture. Think capwages.com, but with expected future contracts added in. That’s what I am aiming for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 There is definitely a lot of guesswork but I agree that HuGo have their own chart going. For next season: Top 6 in any order: Suzuki Caufield Slafkofsky Dach Laine Demidov Bottom 6 players: Anderson Gallagher Newhook Heineman Kapanen Roy Beck - perhaps another Laval year Pezzetta - extra forward UFA: Evans Dvorak Armia If the intention is to re-sign Armia and/or Evans then what other roster moves should be made? Roy and Kapanen sit in Laval? I’m not sure that is in the plans. The more I think about it, the more I think that both Armia and Evans are goners. Suzuki Dach Newhook Kapanen As our centres for next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 I highly doubt that they see Newhook as a centre when they wont play him at centre I also highly doubt that they let both Evans and Armia go without acquiring some penalty kill help. They arent going to rely on rookies to replace their PK work. Maybe in time Kapanen and/or Beck are key penalty killers but relying on them to do so as rookies sets you up for another rebuild season and i dont think that is the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 10 minutes ago, Commandant said: I highly doubt that they see Newhook as a centre when they wont play him at centre I also highly doubt that they let both Evans and Armia go without acquiring some penalty kill help. They arent going to rely on rookies to replace their PK work. Maybe in time Kapanen and/or Beck are key penalty killers but relying on them to do so as rookies sets you up for another rebuild season and i dont think that is the plan. I'm not sure there is a centre spot available this year for Newhook. Dach is at centre because they want him to be the second line centre going forward. Suzuki is our #1 centre If Newhook played third line centre where would Dvorak play? Marty uses Dvorak for faceoffs and PK. Evans is our 4th line centre. Dvorak will be gone for sure next season. Is your idea to play Evans as the third line centre and Kapanen as the 4th? If so where does Newhook play next season? Or do you see Demidov in Laval? I'm just guessing about Newhook as third line centre because it makes sense to me. Newhook also played a pretty damned good season (relatively speaking) as the third line centre last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: If Newhook played third line centre where would Dvorak play? Since I am not concerned about winning this year, ANYWHERE that will take him (IDEALLY no retention) ... as soon as possible ... either see what Newhook does the rest of the year or give Evans the minutes to up his trade deadline value (I am off the "no extension" camp). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 6 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Since I am not concerned about winning this year, ANYWHERE that will take him (IDEALLY no retention) ... as soon as possible ... either see what Newhook does the rest of the year or give Evans the minutes to up his trade deadline value (I am off the "no extension" camp). Sure but Marty seems to really like Dvorak but if he was traded it would give us a look at Marty’s thinking. Newhook at 3C or Evans and call up Condotta or something? My guess would be Newhook at 3C and a Roy call up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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