Commandant Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Cap growth means contracts will also grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, Commandant said: Cap growth means contracts will also grow. I know… that’s why the first thing that needed to be figured out on my spreadsheet was the growing cap situation… and yes it’s popping more than predicted already, but 12M seems like GMs are overcompensating too quickly. We need to get Hutson signed this summer before a rogue GM takes a pot shot with huge offer sheet July 1, 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, Butterface said: I know… that’s why the first thing that needed to be figured out on my spreadsheet was the growing cap situation… and yes it’s popping more than predicted already, but 12M seems like GMs are overcompensating too quickly. We need to get Hutson signed this summer before a rogue GM takes a pot shot with huge offer sheet July 1, 2026. And Hutson and his agent know that, hence the leverage is theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 A second for Armia. Give a first for Boeser. https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/montreal-canadiens/latest-news/hughes-turned-down-a-generous-offer-for-armia https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/david_pagnotta_reveals_what_the_canucks_asked_from_the_canadiens_for_brock_boeser/s1_17452_41878905 Plenty to ponder. For me: Might have thought about Boeser if I thought we could sign him reasonably and use Calgary’s pick. But also we have quite a line up already on right wing….might use the pick for a centre in the summer and that could be a better use. Armia would have been traded if I didn’t make any promises to my captain…. and def would have done if we were just a bit further from a wildcard. Another second would have been nice to add when hunting for a centre... especially if I had no plans to re-sign him. I just can’t fault Hughes for taking a cautious approach and standing pat. Paradox of loading up on trade assets for improving team in future or holding on to expiring assets to improve team experience in the present. If Friedman is right, could be some big UFA offers or trades this summer. Maybe we can have the best of both worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Here is a more reasonable Hutson cost prediction.. https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-hutson-comparables-contract-extension/ Further complicating matters is Montreal’s internal cap structure using Suzuki’s deal, which was 9.55% of the cap when he signed it in October, 2021. However, that percentage is very similar to Hughes’ cap percentage (9.6%) for his extension, so it could be a good basis for comparison (also because Hutson is not in the running for the Norris this season as Fox was at the time he signed.) So, using 9.55% as the comparable and applying it to the 2025-26 salary cap, a potential long-term contract for the Canadiens’ top power-play unit quarterback would equal a $9.12 million AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNick Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 I probably offer bridge deal. Be cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 7 hours ago, GNick said: I probably offer bridge deal. Be cheaper And then the next contract costs more when the cap has risen two more times? No thanks. Did that with PK, didnt work out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 5 hours ago, Commandant said: And then the next contract costs more when the cap has risen two more times? No thanks. Did that with PK, didnt work out 100% - sign him now for 8 year. He’s will be getting more the Suzuki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 14 hours ago, GNick said: I probably offer bridge deal. Be cheaper Short-term gain for long term pain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 I would want an 8 year as well. His defence is way beyond expectations. There doesn’t seem to be a downside. I don’t see how he won’t continue to get better and with our talent pool coming into its own, his point totals will rise. I don’t think it would benefit us to do a bridge deal. Thinking this will land 9 to 9.5 range - based only on Kent’s ability to get players to sign team friendly contracts. Maybe it’s wishful. As for summer deals for a 2C… I’m wondering if this is a pre-draft trade thing. Hughes could wait and hope to get a UFA on July 1st, but he saw the writing on the wall last year. He must be thinking to use his picks, a roster player and a prospect and get what he can before the draft. Our trade bait ? Roy, Dach, Newhook, Anderson, Struble, Engstrom, Davidson…. I mean Laine and Matheson aren’t inconceivable as bait…. Tuch ? Other obvious choices I’d like to keep for now unless the return is too sweet not to give up these higher quality assets. Say we do sign a Bennett and don’t have to give up a player. To make room, Dach, Newhook, Anderson, Laine or Matheson would have to go…. We have 4.8M of room with 22 signed. Unless Price can be traded. Then that’s a whole other thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 13 minutes ago, Butterface said: We have 4.8M of room with 22 signed. Unless Price can be traded. Then that’s a whole other thing. Based on a $95M 25/26 cap, PuckPedia gives the Habs $11,452,500 in cap space ... before trading Price (obviously after paying his July 1st bonus, which nicely has no cap impact) or placing him on LTIR ... so $21,592,500 potentially, before moving out anyone other than Price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: Based on a $95M 25/26 cap, PuckPedia gives the Habs $11,452,500 in cap space ... before trading Price (obviously after paying his July 1st bonus, which nicely has no cap impact) or placing him on LTIR ... so $21,592,500 potentially, before moving out anyone other than Price. They have ? Well they haven’t factored in things like numbers we put in for Dobes, Struble, Demidov… have they already incorporated Evans with that ? Do they factor in Beck, Roy or Kapanen in those numbers ? I think you’ll find my numbers are closer to actual… Can you give me the url for their calculations ? … nevermind found it.. I have accounted for 22 players salaries.. they have accounted for only 17 players … they do have Evans, but no Heineman, Struble etc… so I am closer to correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Butterface said: They have ? Well they haven’t factored in things like numbers we put in for Dobes, Struble, Demidov… have they already incorporated Evans with that ? Do they factor in Beck, Roy or Kapanen in those numbers ? I think you’ll find my numbers are closer to actual… Can you give me the url for their calculations ? … nevermind found it.. I have accounted for 22 players salaries.. they have accounted for only 17 players … they do have Evans, but no Heineman, Struble etc… so I am closer to correct They account for the current NHL roster as otherwise they are projecting off season decisions/moves that have yet to be made ... no guarantee that all three, even two (technically even one), of Beck, Roy and Kapanen make the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 So with Price’s contract we have 22 players accounted for (the 22 most likely on the team based on the reality of right now) with 90.7M spent. The cap is 95.5M next year… so 4.8M in cap space to put one more body on the NHL roster should we want to. If you sign someone like Bennett, unless you trade Price’s contract, you will have to part with a multimillion dollar contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 19 minutes ago, GHT120 said: They account for the current NHL roster as otherwise they are projecting off season decisions/moves that have yet to be made ... no guarantee that all three, even two (technically even one), of Beck, Roy and Kapanen make the team That’s just it… they have no account for Heineman, Struble, Dobes, Demidov… etc.. So they don’t have a handle on what the real numbers left are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That’s just it… they have no account for Heineman, Struble, Dobes, Demidov… etc.. So they don’t have a handle on what the real numbers left are.
Commandant Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 13 minutes ago, Butterface said: So with Price’s contract we have 22 players accounted for (the 22 most likely on the team based on the reality of right now) with 90.7M spent. The cap is 95.5M next year… so 4.8M in cap space to put one more body on the NHL roster should we want to. If you sign someone like Bennett, unless you trade Price’s contract, you will have to part with a multimillion dollar contract. Price can go on LTIR if necessary. So I don't see why they have to trade him. Of course theyd like to trade him to avoid any risk of rolling over cap bonuses into 2026-27, but they can sign a player and LTIR him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 Just now, Commandant said: Price can go on LTIR if necessary. So I don't see why they have to trade him. Of course theyd like to trade him to avoid any risk of rolling over cap bonuses into 2026-27, but they can sign a player and LTIR him Yes.. true… they aren’t doing it now, but they may if they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNick Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 hours ago, GHT120 said: Short-term gain for long term pain Not really, have Hutson locked up 2 years longer on other end. Until he's 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, GNick said: Not really, have Hutson locked up 2 years longer on other end. Until he's 32. Yeah but you pay him thenbigger number for those years. Sign him 8 now and you save on 6 of the 8 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, GNick said: Not really, have Hutson locked up 2 years longer on other end. Until he's 32. Likely at a much higher AAV for the 8 years of his 3rd (post-bridge) deal, hence the "pain" ... Hutson will have to choose between the lower-AAV for a bridge deal, higher AAV in the third deal, but older when he gets his 4th deal ... versus ... higher AAV in his second deal and being younger when he gets his third ... there are always a lot of moving parts in these negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNick Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 11 hours ago, GHT120 said: Likely at a much higher AAV for the 8 years of his 3rd (post-bridge) deal, hence the "pain" ... Hutson will have to choose between the lower-AAV for a bridge deal, higher AAV in the third deal, but older when he gets his 4th deal ... versus ... higher AAV in his second deal and being younger when he gets his third ... there are always a lot of moving parts in these negotiations. Habs have to re-sign him at 30 if you lock him up at 22. Going to be expensive and bad contract on back end. Another Gallagher contract. Lock him up at 24, takes him to 32. All prime years are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 You dont have to do anything at 30 or 32. You make the decision then. Gallagher is more beat up cause the style he plays as well. And none of that is a reason to pay extra by doing a bridge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 This article asks questions, but doesn’t answer them. I liked the questions though. Many of the questions I had myself. https://thesickpodcast.com/big-changes-coming-breaking-down-the-habs-roster/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 Good interview of Hughes… Whole interview is good, but late in the discussion he talked about making good decisions 5,6,7,8 years out .. 31:00-32:13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 Likely Reinbacher will make team over Mailloux. Demidov year burned. There could be another young Dman gone before next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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