ShortHanded Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 From Habs I/O, here are the first 8 cuts: Goalies: Yann Danis (must clear waivers); Loïc Lacasse; Cédrick Desjardins Defenceman: Jon Gleed Forwards: Ajay Baines; Corey Locke (must clear waivers); Eric Manlow; Gregory Stewart Note Danis and Locke have to clear waivers. They'll probably both be picked up. I'm a little disappointed in losing Danis for nothing, but I guess he would have likely only brought a prospect back unless part of a package trade and we've got LOTS of prospects as is, so..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hupette gros Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 (edited) What’s the formality explaining that these two need to clear waivers? This is bad news for us – if we loose Danis there is no way we can trade Halak as part of a package. From Habs I/O, here are the first 8 cuts: Goalies: Yann Danis (must clear waivers); Loïc Lacasse; Cédrick Desjardins Defenceman: Jon Gleed Forwards: Ajay Baines; Corey Locke (must clear waivers); Eric Manlow; Gregory Stewart Note Danis and Locke have to clear waivers. They'll probably both be picked up. I'm a little disappointed in losing Danis for nothing, but I guess he would have likely only brought a prospect back unless part of a package trade and we've got LOTS of prospects as is, so..... Edited September 24, 2007 by hupette gros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I am furious with this! Danis deserves better. I really hope a good team picks him up and gives him some playing time. Maybe I'm just a little bit pissy today but Danis has never been given a shot and as far as I'm concerned he has been treated like crap by the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 another 5 cut: D: Andrew Archer (must clear waivers) Mathieu Biron (must clear waivers) F: Mathieu Aubin Duncan Milroy (must clear waivers) Ryan Russell This could be it for Milroy... If Biron ends up anywhere else, I'm not heart broken. Not sure about Milroy... he showed a lot of promise last year, but is this it? Is Murray really a better "fighter"/agitator than Milroy? at least you could imagine that Milroy still had some upside we haven't yet seen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Milroy & Locke were both invisible this camp, Murray showed a lot more than either of them. Milroy's not talented enough for a scoring role (at least there are plenty of players ahead of him in that sense) and not strong enough for a 4th line role. Last year was his first really good AHL year at age 24. Now I expect he'll be named captain of the Bulldogs and play out his final season in the organization. Locke has one more chance, IMO. He'll still be at next year's camp. Danis wasn't treated like crap, he was simply passed over. He was given a chance two years ago, but when he went back to the AHL he was merely good, not spectacular. Halak passed him and so did Price... both those two dominated in the AHL while Danis was merely "good" in the AHL. There are 4 teams that might claim him IMO: Atlanta (Lehtonen injured in camp, though they do have Hedberg & Brathwaite), LA, Detroit (might want to carry a 3rd goalie with team like last year), and NYR. Honourable mentions to SJ & Nashville... though I think Greiss has won a shot at the backup gig in SJ. Not sure if Rinne or Ellis has won the job in Nashville, haven't followed that camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 anybody we lose on waivers wont be really missed. younger players have showed more promises. it sucks but thats the way it is. its not like nay of these guy where even trade baits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 just goes to show how many decisions the GM's and coaches have to make... Someone will always be questioning them no matter what... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I don't understand why they didn't go with Huet and Danis for the Habs, Halak and Price with the Bulldogs. Then you trade Danis and bring Halak up in a month or so. What does that effect, like 3 games where Huet doesn't play? If we do it this way, we just lose Danis and get nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhfarber Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 More cuts have been announced, looks like the habs have sent D'Agostini to the farm which is a fairly big surprise. Hard to argue that he was among the 12 best forwards this camp but I guess there just isn't a spot for him. Also cut were Lahti, Valentenko, Desharnais, S. Kotstitsyn, Manlow, Maxwell and White. It's a little disappointing to see Lathi get sent down. There were certainly high expectations of him when he was signed. Hopefully he will be able to use the time in the minors to adapt better to the North American game. So by my calculations this is who is left vying for the remaining spots on the roster. Please correct me if Ive left someone on or off the list: Goalies (3): Carey Price Jan Halak Cristobal Huet Forwards (16): Maxim Lapierre Guillaume Latendresse Steve Begin Francis Lemieux Kyle Chipchura Jonathan Ferland Garth Murray Tomas Plekanec Mikhail Grabovski Christopher Higgins Michael Ryder Saku Koivu Bryan Smolinski Andrei Kostitsyn Tom Kostopoulos Alex Kovalev Defencemen (10): Roman Hamrlik Mike Komisarek Francis Bouillon Patrice Brisebois Andrei Markov Ryan O'Byrne Jean-Philippe Cote Mathieu Dendenault Mark Streit Josh Gorges Arguably we will carry 2 goalies, 14 forwards and 7 defencemen or 13 forwards and 8 defencemen. EDIT: Carle and Beauregard removed from the list (I will try to update this as I can during the day) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 If we do it this way, we just lose Danis and get nothing. I dont think that danis has that much trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punkned Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 S. Kostitsyn and D'Agostini = cuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Obviously there are more cuts coming today, no way they carry to the end: Beauregard, Bonneau, Lemieux, Urquhart, Carle, & Degon at minimum. Bonneau, Degon & Urquhart still haven't been announced as cut, nhfarber. Definitely will get down to 27 if guys like D'Agostini are getting cut today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punkned Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I dont think that danis has that much trade value. If he had Gainey would have traded him instead of "waiving" him. He's our #4. Moreover, Desjardins will probably be better that him at the same age (Desjardins is 3 years younger that Danis). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 All these cuts were obvious. At leat we know we have two young gunners D'Agostini and Little #### that are not much far from NHL. You know what it will be 8 defenseman because two can play forwards. 11 secure spots and we play 13 forwards next cut from 16 that are there 5 in the hot seat for three spot Lemieux Murray Ferland Chipchura Grabovski. How my good Murray gonna make the team unless there is a trade coming... All these cuts were obvious. At leat we know we have two young gunners D'Agostini and Little #### that are not much far from NHL. You know what it will be 8 defenseman because two can play forwards. 11 secure spots and we play 13 forwards next cut from 16 that are there 5 in the hot seat for three spot Lemieux Murray Ferland Chipchura Grabovski. How my good Murray gonna make the team unless there is a trade coming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 Just to consolidate. Courtesy of Habs I/O, Here is the total list of cuts, 29 in all: Goalies: Yann Danis (must clear waivers) Loïc Lacasse Cédrick Desjardins Defencemen: Andrew Archer (must clear waivers) Mathieu Biron (must clear waivers) Mathieu Carle Jean-Philippe Côté (must clear waivers) Marvin Degon Jon Gleed Jamie Rivers (must clear waivers) Pavel Valentenko Forwards: Mathieu Aubin Ajay Baines Thomas Beauregard Jimmy Bonneau Matt D'Agostini David Desharnais Jonathan Ferland (must clear waivers) Sergei Kostitsyn Janne Lahti Francis Lemieux Corey Locke (must clear waivers) Eric Manlow Ben Maxwell (to junior) Duncan Milroy (must clear waivers) Ryan Russell Gregory Stewart Cory Urquhart (must clear waivers) Ryan White (to junior) Here is the list of players going to Mont Tremblant, 26 in all: GOALIES: Jaroslav Halak, Cristobal Huet, Carey Price. DEFENCEMEN: Francis Bouillon, Patrice Brisebois, Mathieu Dandenault, Josh Gorges, Roman Hamrlik, Mike Komisarek, Andrei Markov, Ryan O'Byrne, Mark Streit. FORWARDS: Steve Bégin, Kyle Chipchura, Mikhail Grabovski, Christopher Higgins, Saku Koivu, Andrei Kostitsyn, Tom Kostopoulos, Alex Kovalev, Maxim Lapierre, Guillaume Latendresse, Garth Murray, Tomas Plekanec, Michael Ryder, Bryan Smolinski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I just can't stand that Garth Murray will spend another year in Montreal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 I just can't stand that Garth Murray will spend another year in Montreal yeah, I'm having a hard time with that one too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I just can't stand that Garth Murray will spend another year in Montreal He was an effective role player in 2005-06, ineffective last year. This is his year to show us which guy he is. He outplayed a lot of guys in the pre-season, enough to keep around for at least the final week of camp. Good for him. But he hasn't made it all the way back yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 So I guess it's pretty much over for Ferland and Côté in Montréal, eh? I think that year was pretty much their last chance to get it done... And too bad for Kost Jr, I really tought he had a chance to stay.. o well, like Latendresse he'll make the team on his 2nd try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Atleast Garth Murray hustles and fights. Where he may not be the best, he is a acceptable extra / grinding fourth liner when injuries arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfposi Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 yeah, I'm having a hard time with that one too... Its not just garth that I am upset about...The habs need to replace Begin too. Sorry to say, but Lapierre basically is an upgrade on Begin as well. So by that logic, Lapierre should replace Begin and Milroy should take Murray's spot. Our third and fourth line should be: Kostopolous - Smolinski - Lats Lapierre - Chips - Milroy Murray can easily be waived or bought out. I think we could probably package Begin, although his 1 mil salary would be hard to swallow for his limited upside. I really have nothing against Begin, but guys like him will never be more than fourth line. I think the fourth line should be an 'NHL tryout' line for up and coming youngsters. It would also help teach them defensive responsibility. Enough of this 'grinder line' full of career fourth liners. Look at buffalo! They can literally threaten with all four lines. We wont achieve that with Murray and Begin anchoring our fourth line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Seems like it was much ado about nothing over Lahti. As for the rest, nothing too surprising. For opening day I expect that Price will be returning to the AHL. Might see a trade on D, if the coaches figure O'Byrne can play top-six minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMPL Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 (edited) I think the habs are keeping murray because they need some grit and fighting to let other teams know that taking liberty with saku is not an option. Plus Murray anit going to develope anymore in the AHL so you may as well let him be a healthy scratch and let the kids develope in the AHL. I really really wanted D'Agostini to make the cut but maybe next year. As for lil ####, i would have liked him to play, but he can develope and become a sniper with AK46 next year. I think price should make the team.... next year. I really hope BG makes a deal before 07-08 starts. BTW how many cuts do u think will be made today? Edited September 24, 2007 by MMPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMPL Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Question: Why will Danis be on waivers???? I thought u only go on waivers when you start the year with the NHL and then drop down to the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 So I guess it's pretty much over for Ferland and Côté in Montréal, eh? I think that year was pretty much their last chance to get it done... And too bad for Kost Jr, I really tought he had a chance to stay.. o well, like Latendresse he'll make the team on his 2nd try. I'd say it is over for those two, but you never know. Basically they have this year to impress, get a lucky break with a call-up and that's it. I'd definitely say that's it for Milroy, though. He brings little to the table that D'Agostini doesn't provide, and D'Ago can pretty much do everything better than him already and is 4 years younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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