dlbalr Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Therrien on Kassian: "There's information I can't divulge right now." #Habs— Joey Alfieri (@joeyalfieri) December 26, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Therrien on Kassian: "There's information I can't divulge right now." #Habs— Joey Alfieri (@joeyalfieri) December 26, 2015 <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Don't tell me he fell off the wagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Don't tell me he fell off the wagon. It doesn't sound good, whatever it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 What the hell was Bergevin thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 What the hell was Bergevin thinking? We traded a guy who makes 2.5 million... took bad penalties, and was not fast enough to be effective on the team anymore for a lottery ticket and a draft pick. If Kassian ends up suspended again, he's off the cap. So even the worst case scenario is we got valuable cap space and a draft pick for a player who was a liablity due to speed and bad penalties. Best case we got a RW who could play. =============================================== All that said, "we have information we can't divulge" Could be one of two things.. It could be falling off the wagon. Or It could be a trade that can't be announced til tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 We traded a guy who makes 2.5 million... took bad penalties, and was not fast enough to be effective on the team anymore for a lottery ticket and a draft pick. If Kassian ends up suspended again, he's off the cap. So even the worst case scenario is we got valuable cap space and a draft pick for a player who was a liablity due to speed and bad penalties. Best case we got a RW who could play. =============================================== All that said, "we have information we can't divulge" Could be one of two things.. It could be falling off the wagon. Or It could be a trade that can't be announced til tomorrow. For a piece of garbage.We took a player off the roster at 2.5 for an embarrassment that saves us 750k. The Bergevin magic on these minor deals has run out. WOOOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 For a piece of garbage. We took a player off the roster at 2.5 for an embarrassment that saves us 750k. The Bergevin magic on these minor deals has run out. WOOOT It has saved us far more than 750K. everytime he is suspended he doesn't count against the cap. When he's played in the past, he's been a far better player than Prust. Prust wouldn't even be playing ahead of Flynn, Mitchell, DSP, Byron, etc.... All evidence is that this trade hasn't hurt the team at all... in fact its given them additional cap space to make a move and added a draft pick. Even with hindsight this was a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 It has saved us far more than 750K. everytime he is suspended he doesn't count against the cap. When he's played in the past, he's been a far better player than Prust. Prust wouldn't even be playing ahead of Flynn, Mitchell, DSP, Byron, etc.... All evidence is that this trade hasn't hurt the team at all... in fact its given them additional cap space to make a move and added a draft pick. Even with hindsight this was a good move. Yeah, it's awesome to trade for a player that's in the substance abuse program, have him relapse and get in a car accident before the season even starts. Just like he drew it up.Just as good as the Semin signing, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Yeah, it's awesome to trade for a player that's in the substance abuse program, have him relapse and get in a car accident before the season even starts. Just like he drew it up. Just as good as the Semin signing, eh? I'm not saying thats how he drew it up... how is this hard to understand. Scenario A (ie the best case): Kassian doesn't relapse. In this case we have a far better player than prust and gain small cap space and a pick. Scenario B (ie the worst case): Kassian relapses. We get big cap space and a pick. No one expected him to relapse but there was a contingency there that even if he did, we still wouldn't be hurt by the deal. Scenario A, getting a 15-20 goal guy is ideal, but scenario B doesn't hurt us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I'm not saying thats how he drew it up... how is this hard to understand. Scenario A (ie the best case): Kassian doesn't relapse. In this case we have a far better player than prust and gain small cap space and a pick. Scenario B (ie the worst case): Kassian relapses. We get big cap space and a pick. No one expected him to relapse but there was a contingency there that even if he did, we still wouldn't be hurt by the deal. Scenario A, getting a 15-20 goal guy is ideal, but scenario B doesn't hurt us. We traded a depth and energy player who could be a problem on the ice, for a non contributing DRUGGIE/DRUNK who never played a single game, and you think it's a good deal because they have a pick with a 5-10% chance of playing in the NHL and a few bucks in cap space?Give me a break. Even having Prust as a depth player or a 13th forward would be better than trading for the biggest loser in the national hockey league. You can't count the additional cap space gained by having Kassian suspended. There's no way that was a consideration as a positive when making the trade. If it was just cap space, MB could have unloaded Prust for a fourth or prospect. There's no lipstick to put on this pig, it's by far the worst trade Bergevin has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 PRUST was NOT THE 13th forward.... Flynn is better DSP is better Mitchell is better Byron who we got on waivers for nothing is better. Carr is a better player Andrighetto is a better player Hudon is a better player. He was a liability.... no speed... often injured... and when he wasn't injured he couldn't keep his cool and took bad penalties. The fact we were able to get rid of him is addition by subtraction. "You can't count the additional cap space gained by having Kassian suspended. There's no way that was a consideration as a positive when making the trade." It was a consideration, cause we already knew Kassian was in the substance abuse policy. Its a fall back position... worst case scenario he's suspended and doesn't count against the cap. If you think management traded for a guy that they knew had already been through stage 1 of the program and didnt' consider what would happen if Kassian fell off the wagon and was put in stage 2, then you must think that NHL management is a bunch of idiots who make decisions without thinking through both the positive side and potential negatives of a deal. Im pretty confident that isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Prust isn't as useless as you make him seem. Foot speed and discipline have been problems, sure, but he has seven points in twenty-five games. He can still kill penalties, and at least half of the team's toughness went out the door when they traded for Kasshole. In fact, Prust has more points this year than both Semin or Kassian. Bergevin has some questions to answer. Why did he acquire two of the five biggest losers in the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Honestly, I can't think of a single instance this season in which I've missed Prust. He will be lucky to get a contract next season. Complaining about his departure thus strikes me as silly. We got a 5th round pick back for him. Fine by me. Kassian and Semin are irrelevant. Cost-free gambles that didn't pan out. Big whoop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 When speed and discipline are issues... 7 points doesn't mean much. Bad penalties and defensive liability 5 v 5... thats gonna cancel out those points pretty quick. And guys like Carr and Andrighetto who are playing instead of him make up for the point production without the penalties and speed liability. I'd rather have the rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I wasn't against trading Prust, I speculated, in fact, that he would be dealt after his TB tantrum, but I'll never see an upside to trading for a player that doesn't play a single game because he has drug and alcohol problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link67 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I wasn't against trading Prust, I speculated, in fact, that he would be dealt after his TB tantrum, but I'll never see an upside to trading for a player that doesn't play a single game because he has drug and alcohol problems. The team didn't see him in the big picture anymore, so you have to look at this as a we trade a player we don't want away for a gamble, if Kassian comes in clean and re-energized and pops home 17 - 18 goals this season the trade is a massive success. if he fails, we still traded away something that was deemed an issue, gain the cap space from his suspension and we wash our hands of it as a gamble that didn't hurt the make up of the team that much. its not like Prust was delivering in the area most needed, offense, when he was in the line up, Kassian MIGHT have, at this point I understand the logic behind the gamble, and it could have been awesome, but so far it has failed, as was the Semin gamble, neither is hampering the team as a whole anyway so they were gamble's you could afford to make, and gamble's that don't cost much in the grand scheme of things are gambles worth making. its not like Bergevin gambled the Mortgage on these deals, he gambled a Lawn Mower and a Coffee Table here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I wasn't against trading Prust, I speculated, in fact, that he would be dealt after his TB tantrum, but I'll never see an upside to trading for a player that doesn't play a single game because he has drug and alcohol problems. You don't see the upside in a guy who could score 15-20 on your team if he's got his issues solved, and doesn't count against your cap if his issue isn't solved? Thats the thing... its a no risk gamble. If the gamble worked, we had a serviceable rw and If the gamble didn't we still traded prust for a 5th,, which is a fair deal to clear 2.5 million in cap space and get rid of a guy who doesn't fit in your lineup. The moment we got the two players from Buffalo, Prust and Malholtra's days were numbered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I was expecting to see the Kassian thread resurrected. MB has told him not to report to st johns. My guess... caught wind he was partying at Christmas somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 We traded a guy who makes 2.5 million... took bad penalties, and was not fast enough to be effective on the team anymore for a lottery ticket and a draft pick. If Kassian ends up suspended again, he's off the cap. So even the worst case scenario is we got valuable cap space and a draft pick for a player who was a liablity due to speed and bad penalties. Best case we got a RW who could play. =============================================== All that said, "we have information we can't divulge" Could be one of two things.. It could be falling off the wagon. Or It could be a trade that can't be announced til tomorrow. It has saved us far more than 750K. everytime he is suspended he doesn't count against the cap. When he's played in the past, he's been a far better player than Prust. Prust wouldn't even be playing ahead of Flynn, Mitchell, DSP, Byron, etc.... All evidence is that this trade hasn't hurt the team at all... in fact its given them additional cap space to make a move and added a draft pick. Even with hindsight this was a good move. I'm not saying thats how he drew it up... how is this hard to understand. Scenario A (ie the best case): Kassian doesn't relapse. In this case we have a far better player than prust and gain small cap space and a pick. Scenario B (ie the worst case): Kassian relapses. We get big cap space and a pick. No one expected him to relapse but there was a contingency there that even if he did, we still wouldn't be hurt by the deal. Scenario A, getting a 15-20 goal guy is ideal, but scenario B doesn't hurt us. PRUST was NOT THE 13th forward.... Flynn is better DSP is better Mitchell is better Byron who we got on waivers for nothing is better. Carr is a better player Andrighetto is a better player Hudon is a better player. He was a liability.... no speed... often injured... and when he wasn't injured he couldn't keep his cool and took bad penalties. The fact we were able to get rid of him is addition by subtraction. "You can't count the additional cap space gained by having Kassian suspended. There's no way that was a consideration as a positive when making the trade." It was a consideration, cause we already knew Kassian was in the substance abuse policy. Its a fall back position... worst case scenario he's suspended and doesn't count against the cap. If you think management traded for a guy that they knew had already been through stage 1 of the program and didnt' consider what would happen if Kassian fell off the wagon and was put in stage 2, then you must think that NHL management is a bunch of idiots who make decisions without thinking through both the positive side and potential negatives of a deal. Im pretty confident that isn't the case. Honestly, I can't think of a single instance this season in which I've missed Prust. He will be lucky to get a contract next season. Complaining about his departure thus strikes me as silly. We got a 5th round pick back for him. Fine by me. Kassian and Semin are irrelevant. Cost-free gambles that didn't pan out. Big whoop. I really wanted to Semin to work, but no big deal. Kassian I always figured was still falling down the rabbit hole. We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I wasn't against trading Prust, I speculated, in fact, that he would be dealt after his TB tantrum, but I'll never see an upside to trading for a player that doesn't play a single game because he has drug and alcohol problems. So you would have banished Craig McTavish to Siberia? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Alrighty, so let the record show Habsworld loves the Kassian deal. Moving along here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Alrighty, so let the record show Habsworld loves the Kassian deal. Moving along here... No, let the record show that Habsworld loves getting anything of value for Prust.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuternoga Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 "(Canadiens general manager) Marc Bergevin has seemed confident that he could make a trade here and there's a number of teams (that) are doing background on Kassian to see if (he's) somebody they're interested in acquiring," Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman reported during Saturday's edition of "Headlines." Do something, just do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Do something, just do something. Further to that, San Jose was identified as one of the teams that could have interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Kassian is not going to net you a return that will help us escape this slump. Surely not. Much more likely is that one Brendan Gallagher comes back and, lo and behold! we start winning games again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Further to that, San Jose was identified as one of the teams that could have interest. Who might SJ be willing to give up? And would actually help us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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