KoRP Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I agree with all except Weaver. 2m tops, likely 1.5-1.75m So, you like White to stay? Me too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Small tidbit, Weise's deal is for slightly over $1 million, the cap hit is $1.025 million per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I don't want White to stay. For all of the Therrien-Subban hullabaloo, White was one guy the coaching staff ruined. Not tough enough to be a goon, and he's not good enough to be Zenon Konopka faceoff specialist. They would be better suited to signing a Jay McClement or Brian Boyle who can take face offs and chip in 15-25 points. White has 17 points in 150 games, he's a great kid, and he can be an NHLer on a bad team, but wow, he's a terrible hockey player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I don't want White to stay. For all of the Therrien-Subban hullabaloo, White was one guy the coaching staff ruined. Not tough enough to be a goon, and he's not good enough to be Zenon Konopka faceoff specialist. They would be better suited to signing a Jay McClement or Brian Boyle who can take face offs and chip in 15-25 points. White has 17 points in 150 games, he's a great kid, and he can be an NHLer on a bad team, but wow, he's a terrible hockey player. McClement and Boyle could fetch $2+ million on the open market, especially Boyle. They already have an expensive fourth line with Briere, Prust, and Moen all making well over what a typically fourth liner would get. Prevailing wisdom would suggest they'd probably want a cheap player to round out the bunch. I don't disagree that they could do better than White (and that it wouldn't take much) but if he comes cheap enough, he could be the better fit with the savings going towards signing a more important player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I was in the off season dreaming mentality that Briere could be shipped out for a third. For all the crap Moen gets, he's a sevicable penalty killer/3rd line plug, even if his fighting days are over. I would like to see Bournival in the 4th line as center, but that seems to be a "members only" situation on the Canadiens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I think Moen's value declines significantly now that he can't fight. It's not that he was ever a goon, but he was old-school in the sense of being a guy who had to be ready to drop the gloves when necessary and brought that element to a team that really needed it. What last season revealed is that his increasing reluctance to fight over the previous couple of seasons was predicated on an awareness that his fighting skills were declining relative to the young bloods out there; he knew he was at risk of getting hurt. And when MB sat him down and basically ordered him to drop the gloves, sure enough, he got clobbered. I supported the contract as a stabilization of our fourth line after Gauthier's ridiculous annual scrambling to throw warm bodies out there. But as far as term goes, it was a mistake. (Not a crushing mistake, but a mistake nonetheless). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 And when MB sat him down and basically ordered him to drop the gloves, sure enough, he got clobbered. And when did this happen? Why is the GM telling a guy to drop the gloves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 And when did this happen? Why is the GM telling a guy to drop the gloves? Well, I have an admittedly vague memory of reports that Moen and MB met after Moen's fairly disastrous 2012-13 season, and the upshot being that Moen needed to recommit, which in his case includes an element of dropping the gloves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Moen elevated his game though. I think it's fair to say he was one of our best bottom six forwards. I think every team wanting him looks at his penalty killing and momentum shifting. That was always his true value. If his value dropped for any reason, it's health not fisticuffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 His value dropped when he sat out most of playoffs. But, who knows maybe Buffalo, Oilers or someone would offer a pick for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Concussions is when his value dropped. Wasn't healthy enough or in shape enough to do anything in the playoffs. I thought he was real good during the season. Depth is a good problem to have, He is one of the bigger bodies and only has a year left. I don't mind keeping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Just he is bit overpaid for the role he brings and may need cash to sign a nice UFA winger and Timmins could use another pick, but no wont break my heart if he stays. He actually was more willing to drop the gloves last year (or seemed that way) and he & Plekanec are deadly on the PK. But, I thought Pacioretty was dangerous when played on the PK and Eller is becoming a better 2 way player also, so maybe moving Moan would be of little consequence? And still have bottom six of Prust, Weise, Briere, Gionta, White?(a lot cheaper), Bournival and who knows maybe Crisp can fight his way onto team (slim chance but I can dream) and de la Rose or Andrighetto maybe sneak in as 3rd line winger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Moen will hopefully take Wise under his wing. Weise is a nice pickup, but learning a cerebral approach to the PK and defensive play will keep him in the league for many years, instead of the "AAAA" land of the Whites and Leblancs. He has a ways to go, I wouldn't be too quick to unload Moen in I'm MB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Great signing. I've loved everything about Weise since we got him last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Weisey! Got to give Bergevin credit on the 'character' mantra, it pays off sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 What I liked most about Weise is he is the only one outside of Emelin that drives Lucichicken nuts, kid is fearless! I think it's a deal to get a guy with his speed, and apparent flair for playing playoff hockey, for this much coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Apparently Bergevin was trying to acquire Weise back in Chicago. He's liked this kid for a while, and the early returns suggest that Zoot Suit's eye for talent was spot-on in this case. Fast, aggressive, agitating, big - he adds a lot to our 4th line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 About Moen, he was probably our best fourth-liner for most of the year, it's a shame about the fighting. In his contract year, he could have value to a playoff team looking to acquire a 13th forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 About Moen, he was probably our best fourth-liner for most of the year, it's a shame about the fighting. In his contract year, he could have value to a playoff team looking to acquire a 13th forward. He won't be in his contract year for a bit. He still has two years left on his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 He won't be in his contract year for a bit. He still has two years left on his deal. Yeah, so next year we could maybe flip him. It's less likely that a team would want him signed for an extra year, but maybe some place like Edmonton that is in shambles and needs veteran leadership would bite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I think Moen's value declines significantly now that he can't fight. It's not that he was ever a goon, but he was old-school in the sense of being a guy who had to be ready to drop the gloves when necessary and brought that element to a team that really needed it. What last season revealed is that his increasing reluctance to fight over the previous couple of seasons was predicated on an awareness that his fighting skills were declining relative to the young bloods out there; he knew he was at risk of getting hurt. And when MB sat him down and basically ordered him to drop the gloves, sure enough, he got clobbered. I supported the contract as a stabilization of our fourth line after Gauthier's ridiculous annual scrambling to throw warm bodies out there. But as far as term goes, it was a mistake. (Not a crushing mistake, but a mistake nonetheless). You honestly think M.B sat Moen down and told him to fight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 You honestly think M.B sat Moen down and told him to fight? Sigh...no. I think MB sat him down and reviewed with him the kind of player he is expected to be and the kind of commitment we need from him. The Moen of 2012-13 was not committed - or was erring too far in self-protectively adjusting his game away from fighting - and this was after Zoot Suit invested a 4-year deal in him. A phrase like "standing up for your teammates" probably came up in the context of that conversation. I'd be surprised if it didn't, and if it didn't, you can bet Moen understood that it was part of the overall message. I don't see what's so scandalous about that, actually. That's what Moen is FOR, to be an "honest" grinder who usefully drops the gloves when needed. Old-school. Nothing wrong with Habs' management just stating the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 And Moan really did seem more truculent this past year and willing to drop the gloves instead of just yapping after whistles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Sigh...no. I think MB sat him down and reviewed with him the kind of player he is expected to be and the kind of commitment we need from him. The Moen of 2012-13 was not committed - or was erring too far in self-protectively adjusting his game away from fighting - and this was after Zoot Suit invested a 4-year deal in him. A phrase like "standing up for your teammates" probably came up in the context of that conversation. I'd be surprised if it didn't, and if it didn't, you can bet Moen understood that it was part of the overall message. I don't see what's so scandalous about that, actually. That's what Moen is FOR, to be an "honest" grinder who usefully drops the gloves when needed. Old-school. Nothing wrong with Habs' management just stating the facts. Maybe, but either way this Weise signing is the end of Moen. I'd assume he'll be back for the start of next season, only because his value really can't get any lower than right now. I would really like to see Montreal add a Luke Gazdic or Tom Wilson type of player. A good young fighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I would really like to see Montreal add a Luke Gazdic or Tom Wilson type of player. A good young fighter. There's a bit of a difference between those two. One is a young first round prospect, the other is a soon-to-be 25 year old who is a 4 minute a game goon with no discernible talent beyond punching someone once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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