The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 One thing I will say about Emelin: with all due respect to Commandant's critique of the whole concept of the 'big game player,' I believe that Emelin is indeed a big game player. He has always stepped up in playoff battles, for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 28 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: People keep acting like they forget that Emelin was just a healthy scratch less than five games ago. If veteran related bias is the reason that Emelin played yesterday while Beaulieu sat, then what is the reason that Beaulieu played the other day when Emelin was scratched? Julien said he wanted to keep a rotation going with some of the healthy bottom pairing guys so this was just a natural progression of that. The timing of Emelin's performance is a little odd because it really does seem like he lost confidence after being scratched. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me though because knowing Julien, he would have most likely said that his benching was rest related and not performance related. A lot of people have been hard on him for some time but clearly yesterday was worse than ever. I still want Emelin in our lineup come playoff time and I'm actually confident he'll pick his game up. He needs to be with the right partner though and I'm not sure Petry is the answer. If Petry isn't the answer, then there is no answer on this team. He's the best skating and puck moving defenceman on RHD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I bet Emelin is hurt. There's bad, and then there's 30/44 SA bad. That's what Douglas Murray would get on hard drugs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lovett's Magnatones said: I bet Emelin is hurt. There's bad, and then there's 30/44 SA bad. That's what Douglas Murray would get on hard drugs. Ok, but if he's hurt enough that its doing this to his performance, he should sit and let others play in his place. He can't be playing this way, and its not just one game either (though this game was his worst, he's been bad for a while). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 So, I was working on my Cougar last night and not paying significant attention to the game. Normally, I'd listen in or have it on in some capacity in the garage, but not last night, for no good reason. Literally EACH time I walked in to the house last night, the Hawks scored. I decided to sit down and watch the rest of the third period. The Habs made it interesting at least. I wasn't fond of Carey being pulled prior to possession being gained off the faceoff, but I don't make the big coaching bucks that Julien does. As far as Emelin goes, I don't really recall the second goal, but on the 1st and 3rd, I was wondering what the heck was going on, especially on the third. Weber must've been covering some of his gaffes, and has been more Weber-like, it seems, since being liberated from Emelin. Anyway, players have crappy games. That one was one whoparoo of a stinker for Emelin, though. I missed the NYR game, where Martinsen was supposedly good. Interesting that he hasn't been in may more games other than that one. Why is King so invisible? On the forward front, it's a little sad that Ott has been the most noticeable of the deadline acquisitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs owned the 70's Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Weber has been so much better since leaving Emelin. It just wasn't working out, kinda like me and the missus. Oh and please keep the first line in tact Mr. Julien, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Commandant said: If Petry isn't the answer, then there is no answer on this team. He's the best skating and puck moving defenceman on RHD. I agree there's no answer on this team because the best (for him) would be Weber and I've already said my part on how that shouldn't be the first pairing. Limited minutes with Benn might not be terrible though. Benn actually seems to be able to keep the puck on his stick for a little bit of possession. Markov-Weber Beaulieu-Petry Emelin-Benn Davidson That's my lineup come playoffs assuming healthy. As for King, huzer, we got the King's second worst to worst player from their cup runs. He can be effective in the offensive zone out of a cycle and score goals around the net but other than that he's pretty much there to lay the body out and forecheck strong. Hopefully he'll be a direct contributor to one or two victories In the playoffs this season. I'm skeptical as well but can also see his size helping us out in a close, grind it out type of game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE Bobby Orr Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 when it comes to Emelin we all (including fans and management) have our collective heads in the sand. He is a terrible d-man. He has been terrible for years. He looked good earlier because he was paired with Weber. Petry is no Weber and just can't cover for Emelins' f--k ups. There is no one to pair Emelin with..(he may end up with Weber again before its all said and done). He costs the team 3 goals last night. Did you see Petry's reaction on the 3rd goal??? literally saying WTF...He is not hurt... except for his hockey IQ = which has been in a coma for the past 3 years... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Emelin is not a big game player. He's a big moment player. You remember a few body checks. You remember a few moments where he was important in a play. Overall he's a black hole of suck offensively and most of the time he has to be bailed out by his defensive partner. And if Las Vegas isn't stupid and selects him in the expansion draft, he will have to either be bought out or traded next year with his value at an all-time low. Another player having to be moved two years too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 9 hours ago, Commandant said: Ok, but if he's hurt enough that its doing this to his performance, he should sit and let others play in his place. He can't be playing this way, and its not just one game either (though this game was his worst, he's been bad for a while). Oh yeah. This is the first chink in the armor for the Julien regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Emelin is not a big game player. He's a big moment player. You remember a few body checks. You remember a few moments where he was important in a play. Overall he's a black hole of suck offensively and most of the time he has to be bailed out by his defensive partner. And if Las Vegas isn't stupid and selects him in the expansion draft, he will have to either be bought out or traded next year with his value at an all-time low. Another player having to be moved two years too late. I would rather they just kept him for the last year of his deal than get tricky like they did with Briere. They could trade him for another pumpkin, or carry dead weight for a couple of years. They have two bad contracts, and only for one more year. I don't see much currency in shifting that 4 million into 2 or taking on a guy with 2 or 3 years left. If he's got 30-50 games left of mediocre hockey, they should just let him sit in the press box. They like having 8 dmen as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 How does Emelin stack up from an 'advanced stats' perspective? Just curious. I suspect the answer is 'badly,' but defer to the gurus on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 20 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: How does Emelin stack up from an 'advanced stats' perspective? Just curious. I suspect the answer is 'badly,' but defer to the gurus on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: How does Emelin stack up from an 'advanced stats' perspective? Just curious. I suspect the answer is 'badly,' but defer to the gurus on this. Its not pretty at all. Never has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Worse defensively than Gorges, maybe on par with Komisarek (comparing Emelin-Weber to Markov-Komo), and never should have been allowed anywhere near top minutes this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Power play line up in practice.. PP1 Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov Weber-byron PP2 Lehkonen-Danualt-shaw Markov-Petry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stogey24 said: Power play line up in practice.. PP1 Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov Weber-byron PP2 Lehkonen-Danualt-shaw Markov-Petry I like the D on the second wave...quite a drop off on the second FW unit though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I like the D on the second wave...quite a drop off on the second FW unit though! I don't hate Byron as the puck moving dman on 1st wave. With Radu and Chucky, he's pretty much the only one capable of entering the zone with puck possession using his awesome speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: I don't hate Byron as the puck moving dman on 1st wave. With Radu and Chucky, he's pretty much the only one capable of entering the zone with puck possession using his awesome speed. I don't hate it necessarily. I just think it's bizarre, on paper. And maybe a bit of an indictment of our talent at LD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 53 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: I don't hate Byron as the puck moving dman on 1st wave. With Radu and Chucky, he's pretty much the only one capable of entering the zone with puck possession using his awesome speed. I think it was more Galchenyuk shifting to the point after the draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 The numbers suggest that the Habs create a lot of chances when Beaulieu is used on the PP. Not sure why Byron is ahead of him. Beaulieu in a role to transition through the neutral zone and be a playmaker in the offensive zone has worked this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I don't hate it necessarily. I just think it's bizarre, on paper. And maybe a bit of an indictment of our talent at LD. Yeah 27 minutes ago, Commandant said: The numbers suggest that the Habs create a lot of chances when Beaulieu is used on the PP. Not sure why Byron is ahead of him. Beaulieu in a role to transition through the neutral zone and be a playmaker in the offensive zone has worked this year. Totally agree with this. 39 minutes ago, Stogey24 said: I think it was more Galchenyuk shifting to the point after the draw. I thought too. Maybe they want to try something else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Commandant said: The numbers suggest that the Habs create a lot of chances when Beaulieu is used on the PP. Not sure why Byron is ahead of him. Beaulieu in a role to transition through the neutral zone and be a playmaker in the offensive zone has worked this year. Beaulieu should be back in the line up Beaulieu has been on the ice for 16 power play goals. He also has as many primary assists as Radulov, on the power play. Julien was known for not being very fond of the young guys in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Stogey24 said: Beaulieu should be back in the line up It's a no-brainer for sure, but it troubles me that N8 has not been able to convince two consecutive coaches that he has the right stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Is Mccarron not a better option than King? The guy is basically a step behind every play. I've yet to see him lay the body or do any work in front of the net... When Julien became coach, this was the one thing that worried me. Some of the younger guys would take a back seat to the "vets". I'm not knocking Julien. I think he's a great guy and coach, but all of my Boston buddies said he tended to favour the older players. Playing ability aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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