DON Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 10 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Tkachuk at 5th if Kotkaniemi is not available, I am still hoping Arizona and Montreal swap picks and that we get Chychrun ( more dreaming than hoping) for that Why do we want another RH d-man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 That trade would never happen, he shoots LH. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chris said: That trade would never happen, he shoots LH. . Yes was looking at his father's profile, who was RH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, Chris said: That trade would never happen, he shoots LH. . 18 minutes ago, DON said: Yes was looking at his father's profile, who was RH He hasn't produced too many points at the NHL level and the Coyotes may want to draft a more elite D from this year's draft Or they may be fine with an established LD with 15-20 point production (via trade) and would draft an elite forward at 3rd overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 Hopefully the plan is to take Quinn this year and his brother jack next year lol ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, DON said: Why down on, or not fond of Tkachuk as a pick? Poor skater Poor results in terms of scoring at the US NTDP and at Boston University (poor for a top 5 pick). I think he is getting overrated because of his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Commandant said: Poor skater Poor results in terms of scoring at the US NTDP and at Boston University (poor for a top 5 pick). I think he is getting overrated because of his name. Sounds like a perfect fit for Bergevin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Commandant said: Poor skater Poor results in terms of scoring at the US NTDP and at Boston University (poor for a top 5 pick). I think he is getting overrated because of his name. Wouldn't the scout poll factor that in, or name/size/truculence blinds them a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, DON said: Wouldn't the scout poll factor that in, or name/size/truculence blinds them a bit? Name, size, truculence. How else does Jordan Staal get drafted ahead of Nicklas Backstrom and Jonathan Toews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Kotkaniemi seems to be about the same as Tkachuk, Zadina or hughes have to be the pick at 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, Chris said: Kotkaniemi seems to be about the same as Tkachuk, Zadina or hughes have to be the pick at 3 Going by that website that averages points by league and transfers them to what production would be at the NHL level.... (Last Year) Svechnikov - 40.25 points Zadina - 33.03 points Dahlin (D) - 23.6 points Kotkaniemi - 22.52 points Hughes (D) - 21.2 points Tkachuk - 20.97 points Boqvist isn’t a great point getter. (Since playing with men) I don’t mind Tkachuk but based on last year’s projected NHL points, he does seem quite close with Kotkaniemi. I also think Zadina is still the pick at 3. Hughes would be my second choice. Kotkaniemi would be my 3rd, and Tkachuk would be my 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I think I will be very surprised if they don't pick Kotkaniemi at #3 or trade down to draft him. After all of these years of saying how hard it is to acquire a 1C, this is the time to pull the trigger. Even if it is a bit of reach to grab him there, I think they pretty much have to at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, illWill said: I think I will be very surprised if they don't pick Kotkaniemi at #3 or trade down to draft him. After all of these years of saying how hard it is to acquire a 1C, this is the time to pull the trigger. Even if it is a bit of reach to grab him there, I think they pretty much have to at this point. It’s hard not to imagine that the reason we would be picking him is simply because he is the best center available rather than him actually being the best player available at the 3rd pick. In any mock I’ve seen, we either pick Zadina, or Ottawa 100% picks Zadina after we choose not to. Switch our draft position with any team in the league and is Kotkaniemi in the discussion for 3rd overall? I like Kotkaniemi because I like the fact that he has size and can still be an average to above average skater. If he is indeed an Anze Kopitar, then that’s good enough for me. I’m just not sure he is. I understand the thought, and I even caught myself mentioning in another thread that I would rather simply draft Kotkaniemi than trade Pacioretty for another prospect center who has even less upside, but that reasoning also worries me after having gone through a dismal season in order to get a top 3 pick. I’m no expert but I still think it’s clear, unlike some experts, that Zadina is the slightly better player at 3. Hughes is the next closest thing as there is nothing wrong with being the second best defenseman in a draft behind Dahlin. Only then does Kotkaniemi come into the conversation and while I understand the thought, I think people’s blood starts rushing with excitement when they think that we may actually be able to draft a center with great potential. For me, the rational mind thinks that that’s not good enough of a reason to pass up on a player with even more potential, despite being a winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Would Olli Jokinen be a good comparable to Kotkaniemi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habopotamus Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, DON said: Would Olli Jokinen be a good comparable to Kotkaniemi? You're jokinen, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Habopotamus said: You're jokinen, right? Why, 6'3" left centre, Finnish, similar Finn league offense in draft year. (actually Jokinen had much better offense in same league same age) Edited June 20, 2018 by DON 2nd thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, DON said: Would Olli Jokinen be a good comparable to Kotkaniemi? It’s actually a great comparable as Jokinen was drafted 3rd overall and had 21 points in his first two NHL seasons. I had Kotkaniemi getting 22 points last year in the NHL. That being said, times have changed and point structures amongst leagues have likely changed in value. I think Jokinen was the player with slightly more potential (going to be tough for Kotkaniemi to outproduce Jokinen’s 91 point season) but that doesn’t mean Kotkaniemi can’t be a better player than Jokinen was in terms of consistency. There were many seasons he underperformed and one has to think it was slightly mental on his part rather than skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Another fun fact from that 1997 draft is that Ottawa was also immediately behind us there as well. 11th overall - Montreal Canadiens : Jason Ward 12th overall - Ottawa Senators - Marian Hossa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 That's depressing, i can't believe the habs could have Hossa i don't think you draft O Johkenen or Lars Eller 2.o at #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: It’s hard not to imagine that the reason we would be picking him is simply because he is the best center available rather than him actually being the best player available at the 3rd pick. In any mock I’ve seen, we either pick Zadina, or Ottawa 100% picks Zadina after we choose not to. Switch our draft position with any team in the league and is Kotkaniemi in the discussion for 3rd overall? I like Kotkaniemi because I like the fact that he has size and can still be an average to above average skater. If he is indeed an Anze Kopitar, then that’s good enough for me. I’m just not sure he is. I understand the thought, and I even caught myself mentioning in another thread that I would rather simply draft Kotkaniemi than trade Pacioretty for another prospect center who has even less upside, but that reasoning also worries me after having gone through a dismal season in order to get a top 3 pick. I’m no expert but I still think it’s clear, unlike some experts, that Zadina is the slightly better player at 3. Hughes is the next closest thing as there is nothing wrong with being the second best defenseman in a draft behind Dahlin. Only then does Kotkaniemi come into the conversation and while I understand the thought, I think people’s blood starts rushing with excitement when they think that we may actually be able to draft a center with great potential. For me, the rational mind thinks that that’s not good enough of a reason to pass up on a player with even more potential, despite being a winger. The thing is that a #1 center actually has more value than a top line winger even if the skill level is equal. So if the skill level of the winger is slightly better, then that will offset the values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I think he's going to take Kotkaniemi. I still favour Hughes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habopotamus Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, DON said: Why, 6'3" left centre, Finnish, similar Finn league offense in draft year. (actually Jokinen had much better offense in same league same age) It was a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Chris said: That's depressing, i can't believe the habs could have Hossa Habs did draft M. Hossa at 16th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 wrong one unfortunatley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 I wonder what it would take to drop down to around 6th but pick up another top 10 pick? I like Zadina, but I like Dobson, Hughes, Kotkaniemi, Whalstrom and Boqvist close to as much. I’d rather give up something, while moving down to take two of these players. Ideally we pick up Kotkaniemi and a LHD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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