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People are making fun of the idea that leadership matters. This media narrative that you can't win with a guy who likes to have fun in warm-ups like PK, and that he's disruptive to chemistry, so he needed to be traded for character. its not making fun of weber. Its showing how silly Bergevin looks for putting such an emphasis on character over and above skill. Character over skill is what got us three trade deadline forwards who scored 2 points in 50 games as Habs. Character over skill is why we traded Subban in his prime for a guy four years older. Character over skill is why our second most talented forward started the playoffs on the fourth line. Character over skill is why we didn't even bid on a talented centre from Russia who became a UFA. Character over skill is why we draft Mike McCarron in the first round.

Weber didn't help the habs do better this year - having Carey Price in net did. David Poile said that while they got Subban to add to their offence, it's Subban that was tasked with shutting down the opposition's top line - he's been playing the hardest minutes each game and completely shut down Toews who was so happy he wouldn't have to face weber in the west.

Subban helps the predators go deeper in the playoffs than they ever did in their history with Weber. Guess the preds didn't miss his leadership much!! On the other hand despite bringing in the mountain man and his leadership, the guy who brought him in said we lost because the team is fragile. I guess we didn't need to wait 3 or 4 years for this trade to bite us in the ass!

My apologies for trying to derail the negativity, carry on

Here is the main point. Surrounding the trade and the narrative of "Character" The narrative was that PK was divisive in the locker room and the team could never win with such a divisive personality. The narrative was also that Shea Weber was a great leader, and that he would help lead a team that had issues in its locker room. Well one team is winning and is in the conference final. PK isn't disturbing the Nashville lockerroom. Meanwhile Bergevin called this team "fragile" when the season ended, in his press conference. What this tells us is one of the following 1) leadership and locker room harmony aren't nearly as important to winning as we have been lead to believe. 2) Winning actually leads to locker room harmony and losing leads to schisms and finger pointing.... basically we have been wrong about what was the cause and effect all this time. 3) The narratives around PK being such a poor member of the locker room, and Shea being a supreme leader were exagerrated. Personally I think its a combination of the three. but mostly 1 and 2.

My man. I never insinuated it was, sorry if I misrepresented that.

*yawns

He basically said as much in his end-of-season press conference, saying some teams have won the Stanley Cup without a 1st line centre.

But but it is too hard, and there are no #1 centers available.

Uh, we finished first in the division and lost a close fought series to team that could go to the division final and you guys want to fire everyone and revamp the team? Have any of you noticed how long teams tend to suck when they don't have stable management? Bergevin has his faults-- and player development is among them-- but this is a team that is a couple of pieces from a long cup run. You don't raze that kind of foundation, you build on it. I thought I was upset after the Rangers series but many of you are so angry I think you are still venting about the PK trade.

Good old Canadian boy. I don't think it was said enough in the last couple of posts.

Seeing as how the Gomez trade from 8 years ago is still a popular discussion point, I may as well assume that the Subban trade will never ever go away on this board. I suppose the best I can hope for is that it doesn't dominate each and every discussion

It's super boring. As interesting as a wheat field. The NHL needs more personality. It's like the 00s killed personality in hockey. Pacioretty acts like a good old Canadian boy and he's American. Give me some excitement. Gallagher is an exciting player with his own personality. I'll take that.

I wasn't talking about you. You replied to my post defending other posters in regards to Weber. I was addressing that. Honestly you haven't said a bad thing about Weber just that you consider Subban better than him. Didn't you buy his jersey this year too? I never had a problem with Subban he was one of my favourite players while he was a Hab. Did he drive me nuts sometimes with his antics and his play? Absolutely but that's apart of it, I just don't see a reason to make a point the fact Weber is a good old Canadian boy as something he should be ashamed of.

I half agree with this. I still see no reason to try and undersell Weber to make your point.

Yep. I'd love to see PK hoist the Cup. He deserves it after all the Old Boy crap he has had to eat over his career. Ryan Johansen is from my town too, so if he does something public it'd be here, which is cool. I'm all for the Preds at this point. Incidentally, neither Habs29 nor I crapped on Weber. We're just pointing out the truth, which is that the trade did not make the Habs any better; all it did was make us older. That's a dumb trade, period.

There's nothing I want more than everyone who still stands in support of Bergevin to see Subban with the Cup. Happened with Kessel in Pittsburgh, hope it now happens with Subban. If not, the Predators still have a better shot next year than the character club Bergevin built. It wasn't the worst trade in Habs history but it certainly feels like it has elements of the Chelios and Roy trades with a lot more passive aggressiveness.

"If Subban was still on the Habs they would still be in the playoffs. If Weber was still on the Predators they would be out of the playoffs." - Irrational Hab fan logic

WoW! A moment of clarity, thanks Nut! Tired of the Subban worship, the trade is a year old, time to move on I would think. I don't cheer for Subban, I am a Habs fan, and I think Weber is a stud...

Yep I remember. I get people want to jump on the I told you so bandwagon but IMO Weber was our best player in the playoffs so I'm fine with him. I honestly don't understand the random shitting on him though.

Dear administrator. Please change the name of this website to habsubban world.

what i'm going to be rooting for now is for the Preds to win the cup and Subban choose to have his day with the cup in Montreal. That way he can still keep his promise to Gainey AND stick it to MB and his foxhole buddy.

PREACH IT, BROTHER. Anyone using 2016 as the key comparator is out of their minds. The correct point of comparison with the 2017 team is the 2015 team. Both teams had Price. The 2016 team did not. The 2017 team did marginally worse than the 2015 team and had exactly the same weaknesses. Meanwhile, the Preds have achieved superior results with Subban than they did with Dear Leader Weber. If results are the measure, then they are in. The Habs at best stagnated. The Preds improved. It just shows what a bunch of unmitigated BS all the talk about Subban's 'character' is, and what a heap of baloney all this gibberish about 'Leadership' as our big problem was. The trade was a clownish move by a clownish organization with a clownish GM, to please a clownish coach.

You guys are the ones reaching because you're the ones bringing it up. Weber helped the Habs do better than they did last year. Subban helped the Predators do better than they did last season. Win-win. I love Subban but he's not even the one leading the Preds from the back end these playoffs. That would be Ryan Ellis. The Habs have a weaker team (forward & defense) on paper than the Preds, period. That's not meant to be a slight on the Habs but the Preds have talent throughout their lineup. While I don't care one way or the other, I sincerely don't see them winning the cup. They'll lose to Anaheim or Pittsburgh but could compete with the Pilers, Rags, Ottawa and Washington (which would be an interesting final.

We were damn lucky that Lucic chose Edmonton, otherwise in 3 years we'd be stuck with a washed out lucic to go along with an almost washed out Weber. look at the guys MB targeted right from the start - a washed out Briere, an extension to pleks when he should have been traded and last year a ridiculous extension to a 3rd liner like Shaw. And people are still drinking this guy's kool-aid?? Molson's a moron for not firing his ass. MB still having a job is as dumb as milbury having a job as long as he did, or Garth snow still having a job.

I'm sure in the 1 day Weber was a hab he sold radulov on signing with Montreal. That's about as likely as therrien ever winning a cup!

Someone would have lost a bet (from the Subban trade thread)

I would say you are reaching a bit there. Weber was very good in the playoffs. So was radulov. No Weber. Probably no radulov.

Because he's another one of MB's foxhole buddies.

THIS Useless Max put most of his shots into spots a Jr B goalie would have saved them, and he wasn't alone in that. Lundqvist wasn't making a dozen highlight reel saves per game as he was shutting the door on us, he was being made to look good while having to do very little.

Making fun of Webers leadership and calling him washed up, also the whole good ol boy shtick is getting tiring. Why is it a bad thing to be a stand up Canadian boy. Lol?

I was saying weeks before the trade that it was the perfect time for Poile to trade Weber to some dumb team that values him too much for a Kings Ransom before he gets too slow and falls off a cliff. That dumb team became Montreal. I don't think Shea should be booed (I wanted FOXHOLE chants) and I don't think he sucks. But I do think he's an inferior player to Subban and that the trade ruined the Habs cup window. It's all on Bergevin. And if Brian wants to change my username to SubbansWorld.net I'm cool with it.

Now there's a reach. The only thing stopping Radulov in Montreal was Bergevin. He was his third choice and wanted Weber's opinion on if he was good enough to be a Hab. Weber just said yes. No Radulov not because Weber vouched but because Bergevin thought Lucic and Perron were better choices and didn't want to give Radulov two years.

Straight out of his mouth. Radulov said Weber played a big part in him going to Montreal.