CoRvInA Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Laraque definitely stuck his knee out to warrant suspension. I really don't see this incident as anything more than an unfortunate accident. I know most of you might not read french but RDS hasa piece about what Im talking about: Again I agree it's an accident, yes! But the lack of respect between NHL players is the problem! http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/309968.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 New report says torn ACL + cartilage...still no fancy source named though. That'd be a season-ender. http://twitter.com/TonyMarinaro/status/4347349153357824 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l.moustakas Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 New report says torn ACL + cartilage...still no fancy source named though. That'd be a season-ender. http://twitter.com/TonyMarinaro/status/4347349153357824 The only worse thing than death is the expectation of it... or something like that. Between 4-6 weeks to 8 months, the reports are really all over the place. Oh and Brian, why exactly would Markov have to miss 100 games to qualify for a one-year, incentive laden deal? I feel there is some part of the CBA that I am just missing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 The only worse thing than death is the expectation of it... or something like that. Between 4-6 weeks to 8 months, the reports are really all over the place. Oh and Brian, why exactly would Markov have to miss 100 games to qualify for a one-year, incentive laden deal? I feel there is some part of the CBA that I am just missing... 100 days on the IR. There aren't 100 games in most teams' season. Bonus laden deals are for high-pick rookies, old players who fit a certain games played criteria, and players who spend almost an entire season (100 days out of 186) on IR. It's a 1 year, bonus contract to allow the player a chance to sign somewhere and prove himself. I'm sure Brian will post the exact specifics for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l.moustakas Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) 100 days on the IR. There aren't 100 games in most teams' season. Bonus laden deals are for high-pick rookies, old players who fit a certain games played criteria, and players who spend almost an entire season (100 days out of 186) on IR. It's a 1 year, bonus contract to allow the player a chance to sign somewhere and prove himself. I'm sure Brian will post the exact specifics for you. Mmm... I meant 100 days. Obviously. And thanks for the answer Seb, even after all these years under the new CBA, some details still elude me. I keep telling myself I should sit down and read it, but can't really bring myself to endure such tedium.. Speaking of which, does anyone know a good resource that gives a comprehensive overview of the agreement. Like a "CBA For Dummies" type thing? Edited November 16, 2010 by l.moustakas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Is it just me or is the site that published those e-mails down right now? I wanted to see the whole thing, not just the blurbs posted on TSN. Yeah, Tyler has had issues with bandwidth in the past, and is now looking for a new host. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Markov can have my ACL if it helps.. I hardly use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 100 days on the IR. There aren't 100 games in most teams' season. Bonus laden deals are for high-pick rookies, old players who fit a certain games played criteria, and players who spend almost an entire season (100 days out of 186) on IR. It's a 1 year, bonus contract to allow the player a chance to sign somewhere and prove himself. I'm sure Brian will post the exact specifics for you. You've got it knocked down really, Seb. The specifics are on page 189 of the CBA (page 207 if you're reading an electronic version). Here's the quick version (since my copy of the CBA is copy protected and I really don't feel like typing it out): Players who can receive bonuses... 1) Players on ELC's; 2) Players 35 years or older as of June 30 that sign a 1 year contract; 3) Players who are "400-plus game players" for pension purposes, who... i) Spend more than 100 days on IR in the preceding season and ii) Sign a 1 year contract for the next season Markov obviously falls into category 3; those are the criteria he must meet to get an incentive-based contract next season. As for Louis' question about something with CBA for Dummies? I don't know of such a site; if there is, I'd love to know too as I very easily forget things in there. Heck, I'd settle for a site that has the whole CBA posted that can be copy/pasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coach Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I'm just glad we've got people that are ready to step in should someone go down or retire. Picard may not put up the numbers that Markov does, but he's done a good job back there. Just remember that Spacek, Hamrlik and Gill don't have too many years left so it's good to have Picard playing now and in the future, Tinordi should be ready and Gauthier could either make a move or have Mathieu Carle. Until Weber gets better defensively, I don't want him on the team and I think he's a modern day Andy Delmore. But there is still time for him to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCPetit Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 New report says torn ACL + cartilage...still no fancy source named though. That'd be a season-ender. http://twitter.com/TonyMarinaro/status/4347349153357824 The reports are not very positive so far, but I am quite sure that they are very speculative in nature for now. Obviously, the doctors (and Markov himself) don't know yet how extensive is the damage and how long he will stay out of the ice. Since it's the same knee he injured last spring, one doesn't have to be a physician to forecast that he won't play before he has recovered 100%. Chances are that it will take months before he get the green light. On the other hand, it's way too early to tell that he is not going to come back this year. Same thing about his career: I bet that the doctors don't have a clue about that for the moment. We just have to cross our fingers and hope that -- somewhat miraculously I agree -- the injury is not as serious as first thought and that our star defenseman will be able to play sometime in early 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Radio reports from Team 990 say Markov needs surgery and will be out 4 months. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Damn... now they are saying 6 months.. basically a repeat of his last surgery... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/11/16/markov_injury/ Sigh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCPetit Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Damn... now they are saying 6 months.. basically a repeat of his last surgery... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/11/16/markov_injury/ Sigh.. If it's true, his season is over. And not sure that he still has a career with the Habs either. If he is greedy and asks for a zillion dollars long term contract I don't see Gauthier signing him. Hell! I still hope that the injury is not that bad, but if it's the case, it is really sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Markov is off to Cleveland to visit a specialist...any reports remain premature, though it's likely it's a long-term injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Markov is off to Cleveland to visit a specialist...any reports remain premature, though it's likely it's a long-term injury. The silence is deafening. We are about to find out how badly Markov loves Montreal. It would be sad if he has played his last game for the Habs. It would be hard to invest $5M+ long term on a guy who has played 60 of their last 120 games and has suffered 3 debilitating injuries in that span. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCPetit Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) The silence is deafening. We are about to find out how badly Markov loves Montreal. It would be sad if he has played his last game for the Habs. It would be hard to invest $5M+ long term on a guy who has played 60 of their last 120 games and has suffered 3 debilitating injuries in that span. It's his fourth "delibiting injury". If my memory is good, he was injured to a knee when hit by Grabovsky at the end of the 2008-2009. He could not dress in the post-season and the Habs lost in four games against the Bruins. He was injured two times in the last season. The first time when he collided with Price and the 2nd time, in the playoffs, when hit by Cooke. And now, this time when hit by Staal. IMO, if you consider that the incident with Price was pure bad luck, the three other injuries are more serious. I mean, each time the collision did not look particularly brutal, but the damage was important. Gauthier and the hockey staff won't have much choice, but ask themselves: has he become injury prone? The answer to this question means millions of dollars... Edited November 16, 2010 by JCPetit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 It sucks so bad for Andrei! This injury will potentially cost him tens of millions$. But the worst impact might be psychological. We've seen how he hated the rehab process and couldn't wait to finally start playing. Now to re-go through the whole process again, and possibly a more difficult and painful one, I'm just wondering if he might not simply call it a career. His reaction after the injury, when he hit the board with his fist, said much. Poor Markov. I hope he fights back. Good luck with the rehab, and on a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 It's his fourth "delibiting injury". If my memory is good, he was injured to a knee when hit by Grabovsky at the end of the 2008-2009. He could not dress in the post-season and the Habs lost in four games against the Bruins. He was injured two times in the last season. The first time when he collided with Price and the 2nd time, in the playoffs, when hit by Cooke. And now, this time when hit by Staal. IMO, if you consider that the incident with Price was pure bad luck, the three other injuries are more serious. I mean, each time the collision did not look particularly brutal, but the damage was important. Gauthier and the hockey staff won't have much choice, but ask themselves: has he become injury prone? The answer to this question means millions of dollars... I thought the Grabo injury was a shoulder injury, but you're right... though it was the other knee (left). He's played 60 of the last 126 games... and that's not including what he could be missing for the rest of this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I thought the Grabo injury was a shoulder injury, but you're right... though it was the other knee (left). He's played 60 of the last 126 games... and that's not including what he could be missing for the rest of this year. Yeah, 60 of the last 190 sounds much worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 A little bit of info: Habs announced Markov will have a "prolonged" and "indefinite" absence with right knee injury http://twitter.com/ArponBasu/statuses/4678585734402048 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Not sure I would sign him next year. Maybe he is fragile, maybe not, but he was already looking slower last year. Not sure how good his knee is anymore. If he will sign a year cheap, fine, but I wouldn't want to risk him being damaged goods on a long term contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Not sure I would sign him next year. Maybe he is fragile, maybe not, but he was already looking slower last year. Not sure how good his knee is anymore. If he will sign a year cheap, fine, but I wouldn't want to risk him being damaged goods on a long term contract. I said that about Gonch when he went to Pitts. They wouldn't have won that cup without him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsWEST Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 (edited) 6 to 12 months out as mentioned by Doug Mclean tonight on TSN; " .....meniscus, MCl, and partial tear of reconstructed ACL"....ouch. technically: he has: " .....Partial tear ACL graft right knee, associated bone contusions, large radial tear lateral meniscus, moderate knee joint defusion. " and surgery on same knee, out for the season, rehab for the start of the 2011 season target...this will impact his UFA status... HABS will have to place him on Long term Injury, and save salary cap. This time Markov will more than likely need an ALLOGRAFT, and not from his Hamstring.... I mentioned on here when he got injured last season he would be out until DECEMBER/EARLY January perhaps February from the ORIGINAL injury... Coming back after 6 months from ACL RECONSTRUCTION is way too early. It varies with everyone, for athletes 9 months is average, 6 months is possible but risks are involved depending on the rehab etc.... here is a good link for general overview: http://www.financeprofessor.com/funlinks/r...aclsurgery.html "........Your mileage may vary, but within 3-4 months you should be jogging, biking within a month or two after that. Playing sports will be a while longer (at least 6 months, probably 9 months), but be patient. Take the time to learn more about your sport, or take up another sport (swimming, lifting, etc) to keep you active when you are on the sidelines. NFL scouts have a general rule say it takes a year to get back and two years to be back to full speed. That said, each case is unique but it does take time......... I had mine a few years ago, and Had the same ORTHo. Surgeon that did Bure's and numerous NHL, NFL players, and he wouldnt advise any full speed workout until minimum 8 months....for a pro, and for average person over 12 months. I played competitive soccer for many years...so it took me 10 to 12 months, and good year before I was up to speed/. WHY THE HELL WAS HE ALLOWED BACK AT 6 months. I had an ACL allograft, which is quickest recovery ( a donor ligament from a cadaver....thus also prevents cutting into hamstring or petula: more traditional ACl reconstruction) I am soo ticked over this!!, first when i heard he was back soo early!!! wow Now he will be out to the time it is normal recovery, but with more extensive damage, more meniscus damage, so he will have less cartilage, less mobility, and eventual onset of arth. well thats my 2 cents worth, but not impressed why he was rushed back!! Edited November 17, 2010 by HabsWEST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Yeah, the first reports I heard today was that his season was finished. It really sucks! As far as his career being over, I seriously doubt it. Markov might sign a one year deal with the Habs next year, and if everything goes well, then he can sign a longer term deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsWEST Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Yeah, the first reports I heard today was that his season was finished. It really sucks! As far as his career being over, I seriously doubt it. Markov might sign a one year deal with the Habs next year, and if everything goes well, then he can sign a longer term deal! His season is over, including playoffs this time he wont be rushed. target is 2011 start now or perhaps October/November 2011. they wont take any chances now. Especially with UFA status. he will be back, This will impact him when he is 50, he should be ok short term, it may mean a shorter career, but I expect him back also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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