Lovett's Magnatones Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 We should have got a point there. We cant chuck points away at this stage. Tinordi is pissing me off. That was garbage, but what was Weaver doing?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Well vanek made me happy at least. Goal per game from now on obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Horrible mistake by Tinordi cost us a point. But I'd still put him in next game ahead of Murray. This game was a prime example of why PK should kill penalties. We took a parade to the box and consequently our best player was stapled to the bench. There's no good reason why he shouldn't out there, especially with Markov regularly doing a pylon impression at the blueline. It's happened pretty often lately that an opposing player has just skated through our whole team like a knife through butter. I'll put that down to shoddy coaching and a weak defense. I thought we played a good first, but then we killed our momentum with that bad shorty and all the penalties. Our penatly kill was very good and should have won us a point. Just the sort of game that pisses you off; we battled hard with our backs against the wall and have nothing to show for it. Eller was one of our bright spots. I wish he could expand his shootout arsenal, however. Markov and Gionta stood out as players who made poor decisions at key times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Markov spent 9:14 on the PK. Good game, just too many penalties. Will be interesting to se how Tinordi-Therrien react to turnover. Price had super game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Another bright spot this game was Chucky. He was flying, and shooting when he got the chance. It's too bad we were constantly short-handed and had to sit him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Markov spent 9:14 on the PK. Good game, just too many penalties. Will be interesting to se how Tinordi-Therrien react to turnover. Price had super game. He waited to face the media, I'll credit him for that.For all of the posters here who want three Bulldogs on the blue line-these are the mistakes that all rookies make. They had no business being in that game. They spent a period on the kill and had 67 in the box for five minutes on top of it. They heard footsteps from Columbus, whose physicality rankled a team who didn't want to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Tinordi's a real character guy, and I think he'll develop into the player we wanted Komisarek to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Tinordi's a real character guy, and I think he'll develop into the player we wanted Komisarek to be. What will his parents think of that! Slick one-timer from Vanek. YEEEAAAAA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim.on Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Im glad to see some positivity in here even after a loss. Even with all the penalty trouble we were a bad shorty and a bad turnover away from winning this game. Have to give credit to Columbus on the shorty though they worked really hard and caught the Habs napping a bit with a really smart and well timed play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Horrible mistake by Tinordi cost us a point. But I'd still put him in next game ahead of Murray. This game was a prime example of why PK should kill penalties. We took a parade to the box and consequently our best player was stapled to the bench. There's no good reason why he shouldn't out there, especially with Markov regularly doing a pylon impression at the blueline. It's happened pretty often lately that an opposing player has just skated through our whole team like a knife through butter. I'll put that down to shoddy coaching and a weak defense. I thought we played a good first, but then we killed our momentum with that bad shorty and all the penalties. Our penatly kill was very good and should have won us a point. Just the sort of game that pisses you off; we battled hard with our backs against the wall and have nothing to show for it. Eller was one of our bright spots. I wish he could expand his shootout arsenal, however. Markov and Gionta stood out as players who made poor decisions at key times. are PK is one of the best in the league. were currently on a 24 straight PK kill streak i think and are top 3. markov being a major protagonist of it. Now I'm not saying subban should or shouldn't take a regular shift especially since gorges is out. however, I'm not gonna complain with MT's decision to have tinordi fill gorges minutes on the PK and gain experience as well as weaver take murray's. I'm happy with subban playing all his minutes 5on5 and the PP and have him going into the playoffs not over worked, healthy and motivated. he doesn't need to be playing 30minutes a night and thats what would be asked of him if he plays the PK as well unless we lower his 5on5 play! Also, i think your underestimating markov's defensive abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm fine with Tinordi's mistake. It's such a ridiculous double standard for fans to be okay with Subban's occasional brain trips, Markov blowing tires when he's blowing gaskets or any of the errors Gorges or Emelin will make but when a rookie just learning the NHL game costs the team a goal (and the game), suddenly we think about benching him or cutting his minutes. Columbus was beatable tonight despite fighting for a playoff spot and the team tried to run it into overtime due to a costly team performance. Putting this all on Tinordi would be a Therrien level mistake. Game should have been 4-1 by the time Tinordi made that error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonhabs Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 giving up that last shorty hurt. Johanson is luck that fight went to the ground, Patches is a beast so far this game is awesome! He maybe big but is made of glass wish he played like a power forward. For a guy his size he has to do more of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Horrible mistake by Tinordi cost us a point. But I'd still put him in next game ahead of Murray. This game was a prime example of why PK should kill penalties. We took a parade to the box and consequently our best player was stapled to the bench. There's no good reason why he shouldn't out there, especially with Markov regularly doing a pylon impression at the blueline. It's happened pretty often lately that an opposing player has just skated through our whole team like a knife through butter. I'll put that down to shoddy coaching and a weak defense. I thought we played a good first, but then we killed our momentum with that bad shorty and all the penalties. Our penatly kill was very good and should have won us a point. Just the sort of game that pisses you off; we battled hard with our backs against the wall and have nothing to show for it. Eller was one of our bright spots. I wish he could expand his shootout arsenal, however. Markov and Gionta stood out as players who made poor decisions at key times. Our penalty kill has been excellent and it wasn't like any of the defensive players besides Subban went to the box. Why would you want our best player laying in front of shots when it's not necessary? Markov has looked garbage lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Our penalty kill has been excellent and it wasn't like any of the defensive players besides Subban went to the box. Why would you want our best player laying in front of shots when it's not necessary? Markov has looked garbage lately. I agree that you can't argue with the results of the penalty kill recently. But ALL of our other best players get put out there, why not PK? Why is this injury consideration assigned only to him? How could Emelin or Weaver POSSIBLY be better than him at killing penalties (or anything for that matter)? PK didn't have a very good game by his standards, and this could have been partly due to having no rhythm from being plastered to the bench for so long. I wouldn't give him top penalty kill duties, but I'd have him out there sometimes. At some point down the road we'll have to lean on our best player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Tinordi made a gaff, so did Weaver, and so did MT for putting bottom pair D against the Jackets most dangerous forward. The only difference in that gaffe and the 3 breakways that went right by Markov is Price made the same. That game could have been 6-1. Anyway you look at that game it was dominated by the Jackets. The Habs need to get it together, start playing 60 minutes of playoff style hockey or they aren't going to make it. They are only 3 games up on Detrioit who are playing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I suspected we'd have a let-down for this game - the players don't care about the Columbus Blue Jackets any more than we do - and we did. Tinordi: what do people expect? For two years now, huge portions of fans on this site and elsewhere have been mooning over him and Beaulieu. "Bring up Tinordi!" "We'll be set of defence next season with Tinordi and Bealieu." Etc., etc.. The fact is, when you throw rookie defencemen out there in the NHL, you get mistakes, sometimes of the crushing variety. Nothing wrong with that, as long as the crowd doesn't turn on the guy and the coach doesn't over-react and cause the guy to lose his confidence. But that's why it is almost always folly to have more than one rookie eating substantial minutes at a time. I agree that the "no PK on the PK" policy is plain stupid. It's not that he should be our go-to penalty killer necessarily. But when you have a parade of penalties, why NOT throw your best player on the ice at some point? Typical stubborn NHL over-coaching. Anyway, that's one loss. Nothing to freak out about. I get the feeling we're due for a little downturn, however (things have been going too well) - hope the boys prove me a pessimistic worry-wart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Games are won and lost on mistakes more than by great plays really, execution doesn't always happen for veterans either. The Tinordi gaff is what it is, a mistake, and at a bad time, but not earth shattering in consequence in terms of a career of a promising young Dman, just a bit of a hard lesson. PK and Markov had them too last night, maybe not as bad an outcome, or at a more critical time that's all. Scott Stevens made mistakes too, and this was not on a Steve Smith scale either, for crying out loud..... over react much? Sh!t happens.... this is no biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I agree that you can't argue with the results of the penalty kill recently. But ALL of our other best players get put out there, why not PK? Why is this injury consideration assigned only to him? How could Emelin or Weaver POSSIBLY be better than him at killing penalties (or anything for that matter)? PK didn't have a very good game by his standards, and this could have been partly due to having no rhythm from being plastered to the bench for so long. I wouldn't give him top penalty kill duties, but I'd have him out there sometimes. At some point down the road we'll have to lean on our best player. Yeah, I read ya for sure. Bouillion with Subban is just ridiculous too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 I agree that you can't argue with the results of the penalty kill recently. But ALL of our other best players get put out there, why not PK? Why is this injury consideration assigned only to him? How could Emelin or Weaver POSSIBLY be better than him at killing penalties (or anything for that matter)? If you give Subban prime PP minutes, prime PK minutes, and #1 D 5-on-5 minutes, he's going to play 32 minutes a night and wear out. While you're potentially correct in that Subban could be better than Emelin/Weaver shorthanded, playing Subban more there means less PP time or 5-on-5. What's the lesser of two evils, playing a guy like Weaver (who has been a PK specialist for several years in a row) more shorthanded or giving him PP or more 5-on-5 time? Personally, I'd rather have Subban playing as much as possible in situations where he can actually produce offence, let the stay-at-home guys handle the PK. Yesterday, it also didn't help that he got banged up briefly on the PK when he actually played a shift there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 For me, it's more coaching stubbornness that irks. I saw Vigneault manically limiting the Sedins' minutes in Vancouver no matter what. Now they have a coach who does the opposite and plays his best players relentlessly until they conk out, refusing to manage minutes no matter what. And sometimes it seems like MT is keeping PK off the PK no matter what. It's a version of the same mentality that all players have to play some rigid system no matter how gifted or creative they are. I say, have a strategy, yes, but be flexible in its application. Anyway, minor point, since as others have noted the penalty kill is not really our problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I suspected we'd have a let-down for this game - the players don't care about the Columbus Blue Jackets any more than we do - and we did. Tinordi: what do people expect? For two years now, huge portions of fans on this site and elsewhere have been mooning over him and Beaulieu. "Bring up Tinordi!" "We'll be set of defence next season with Tinordi and Bealieu." Etc., etc.. The fact is, when you throw rookie defencemen out there in the NHL, you get mistakes, sometimes of the crushing variety. Nothing wrong with that, as long as the crowd doesn't turn on the guy and the coach doesn't over-react and cause the guy to lose his confidence. But that's why it is almost always folly to have more than one rookie eating substantial minutes at a time. I agree that the "no PK on the PK" policy is plain stupid. It's not that he should be our go-to penalty killer necessarily. But when you have a parade of penalties, why NOT throw your best player on the ice at some point? Typical stubborn NHL over-coaching. Anyway, that's one loss. Nothing to freak out about. I get the feeling we're due for a little downturn, however (things have been going too well) - hope the boys prove me a pessimistic worry-wart. 3rd best PK in the league and you are claiming that coachs are stupid for not playing different player? Odd take on that CC? But agree on Tinordi and am very pleasantly surprised more arnt down on him for 'Obyrne-like' error. In the fall, his confidence seemed to be shattered and took long time in Hamilton for him to get it back, hope he can put it behind him and shake it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 DON, see my above post about stubbornness. I don't object to Therrien's strategy, just its inflexible application. But like I say there - a minor point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 DON, see my above post about stubbornness. I don't object to Therrien's strategy, just its inflexible application. But like I say there - a minor point. Sorry sir, just dont see how can success be stubborn over-coaching? Or am just thick-headed (more likely) and not sure what you mean Oh well, 94% chance of Habs making playoffs today, so Bergevin's 1st goal is almost a done deal and have 2 more entertaining games coming up and then 3 easily beatable teams next week, so all is good (too bad Lars is snakebit, he even made a good move on penalty shot but no result). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 Who's getting the GDT for tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Check this out. hahaha http://tvasports.ca/hockey/canadiens/moen-plaque-un-jeune-partisan-21032014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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