The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I dunno. It seems to me that we should have a regular thread for the PWHL - with, I assume, a focus on the Montreal team, which is certainly the team I’ll cheer for, to the extent that I cheer for any. I do hope the league does well. I watched the TO-NYR game and was not surprised to find myself quickly seething with resentment of the Toronto squad, LOL. #becausetoronto 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 29 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I dunno. It seems to me that we should have a regular thread for the PWHL - with, I assume, a focus on the Montreal team, which is certainly the team I’ll cheer for, to the extent that I cheer for any. I do hope the league does well. I watched the TO-NYR game and was not surprised to find myself quickly seething with resentment of the Toronto squad, LOL. #becausetoronto 😂 I hope it does well. I can't say I have much of an interest at this point but maybe that will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 excellent idea to have a PWHL thread. I watched the Montreal-Ottawa game. I am cheering for Ottawa since it is my hometown and I have nothing tying me to the Montreal team: clean slate. Ottawa dominated most of the game but just couldn't get a goal. Lots of shots were stopped or blocked. The replays on RDS were not great and the camera angles following the play were wider (farther away) making it difficult for me to follow the puck as well as usual. It seemed like MTL's goalie was always square to the puck. I love how 3 points are awarded for a win, two for an OT and So win and one for OT/SO losses I also love their rule for penalties where (I think) the penalty ends on short-handed goals too smart rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 41 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: The replays on RDS were not great and the camera angles following the play were wider (farther away) making it difficult for me to follow the puck as well as usual. I expect that the camera locations are those that are set up for the 67s, so it'll be OHL-level camera work for the time being, at least for the Ottawa home games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 14 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I expect that the camera locations are those that are set up for the 67s, so it'll be OHL-level camera work for the time being, at least for the Ottawa home games. yes, that's were they played. I am happy they are showing the games, but my sight is 😎 not great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: I love how 3 points are awarded for a win, two for an OT and So win and one for OT/SO losses I also love their rule for penalties where (I think) the penalty ends on short-handed goals too smart rule! The SHG rule is interesting (assuming you're representing it accurately). I'm not sure about it. If we want goal-scoring, shouldn't we be encouraging teams to go for broke with the man advantage rather than making them doubly jittery about the risk of SHG? As for the points system, I agree. If memory serves, there was a reluctance to go with a 3-point model because it would artificially shred the "points totals" records of great teams of the past such as the 1977 Habs. I find, however, that nobody really cares anymore about team points totals since the loser point was introduced. All you care about is playoff positioning if you're a strong team, the playoff bar if you're a middling team, and the draft ranking if you're garbage. So, the NHL really should consider this very logical system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I think that more than anything else, the SHG rule will encourage aggressive penalty-killing, as that SHG goal becomes even more valuable. It will be interesting to see how it works in practice. The OT/SO/loser point system has also made a mockery of all the past win streak and season win records. It really doesn't matter, they could just go NASCAR style and give 300 points for regulation win, 200 for OT/SO win and 100 for an OT/SO loss. Then no one will be confused about accidentally comparing point totals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: The SHG rule is interesting (assuming you're representing it accurately). I'm not sure about it. If we want goal-scoring, shouldn't we be encouraging teams to go for broke with the man advantage rather than making them doubly jittery about the risk of SHG? As for the points system, I agree. If memory serves, there was a reluctance to go with a 3-point model because it would artificially shred the "points totals" records of great teams of the past such as the 1977 Habs. I find, however, that nobody really cares anymore about team points totals since the loser point was introduced. All you care about is playoff positioning if you're a strong team, the playoff bar if you're a middling team, and the draft ranking if you're garbage. So, the NHL really should consider this very logical system. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/professional-women-s-hockey-league-tweaks-penalty-short-handed-goal-in-rule-book-1.6706884 Quote If a team serving a minor penalty scores short-handed, the penalty terminates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 That shg rule is confusing. So if you're really dirty and have some good penalty killers who can bury shorties, you should continue to play dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 7 hours ago, BCHabnut said: That shg rule is confusing. So if you're really dirty and have some good penalty killers who can bury shorties, you should continue to play dirty. If you can score more SHG than you give up PPGA, sure. The chances of this being the case long term is slim to none. You are always gonna give up more PPGAgainst than score SHG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 37 minutes ago, Commandant said: If you can score more SHG than you give up PPGA, sure. The chances of this being the case long term is slim to none. You are always gonna give up more PPGAgainst than score SHG Of course you're right, but the rule still makes no sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, BCHabnut said: Of course you're right, but the rule still makes no sense to me. It makes a SHG more valuable, so some teams will try aggressive PK to score one. And that should make the PK more interesting for the fans, at least that's the theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Yeah i think the intent of the rule is to make SH teams take more chances which leads to more goals at both ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 hours ago, tomh009 said: It makes a SHG more valuable, so some teams will try aggressive PK to score one. And that should make the PK more interesting for the fans, at least that's the theory. after watching my first game, I think the shorthanded rule makes sense. The players are smaller and although some are really fast, most look like they are skating outdoors on the Rideau canal: going from end-to-end takes long. the rule makes it worthwhile for a team to spend the extra energy in trying to score instead of hunkering down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Powerplay strategy is also different in the womens game as you don't have players with the big one timer from the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 37 minutes ago, Commandant said: Powerplay strategy is also different in the womens game as you don't have players with the big one timer from the point. Right, it's closer to the high-mobility formation that the Habs are trying to make work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 So you slewfoot someone. Pot a shortie and penalty over. Good punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, BCHabnut said: So you slewfoot someone. Pot a shortie and penalty over. Good punishment. better than you slewfoot someone, grab him by the collar and rag him until he pushes you, to get matching roughing calls. I still think it is a nice twist for the type of play in the PWHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Bought tickets for the game against NY on January 16th. Looking forward for my very first female hockey game ever. 50% cheaper than Habs tickets too (for even better tickets). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: Bought tickets for the game against NY on January 16th. Looking forward for my very first female hockey game ever. 50% cheaper than Habs tickets too (for even better tickets). I’m thinking price-point will be the real seller…if you’re looking for a family night out and the kids like hockey, try this instead of the NHL’s wallet-depleting rates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Did anybody really expect the prices to be close to the same? We live in a capitalistic world, this is not socialism. Owners will charge the maximum amount they can and still fill the arena. I hope the PWHL is very successful and I think it will be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 On 1/3/2024 at 2:25 PM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: The SHG rule is interesting (assuming you're representing it accurately). I'm not sure about it. If we want goal-scoring, shouldn't we be encouraging teams to go for broke with the man advantage rather than making them doubly jittery about the risk of SHG? As for the points system, I agree. If memory serves, there was a reluctance to go with a 3-point model because it would artificially shred the "points totals" records of great teams of the past such as the 1977 Habs. I find, however, that nobody really cares anymore about team points totals since the loser point was introduced. All you care about is playoff positioning if you're a strong team, the playoff bar if you're a middling team, and the draft ranking if you're garbage. So, the NHL really should consider this very logical system. I'm not a fan of either of those rules. If a team scores a SHG the penalty should keep going. It's not like a team will purposely take penalties so they can score SHG on a PK. i.e. think of the 80's Oilers and the rule change for 5 on 5 when a fight takes place because they were way too good at 4 on 4. There is no logical reason to change the SHG rule because being shorthanded does not create an advantage. The 3 points for a Win might sound good, but there are situations that make is illogical. ex: in 1 of the last Worlds or Olympics there was a scenario where 3 points for a win made no sense. I forget what the exact records were but it was obvious that 1 team was unfairly ranked higher than they should have been due to that rule. I believe it was Suis that was ranked higher than Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 It appears that the PWHL is confused about whether to give two or three points for a regulation win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, tomh009 said: It appears that the PWHL is confused about whether to give two or three points for a regulation win. The standings js weird. A game that goes to OT is counted as both a win and OT win... or a loss and OT loss. So (wins - Ot wins)= the number of 3 point regulation wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Commandant said: The standings js weird. A game that goes to OT is counted as both a win and OT win... or a loss and OT loss. So (wins - Ot wins)= the number of 3 point regulation wins That does work! But the loss number does not include OTL. Very very very strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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