The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 Seems like they looked into the abyss and responded with a stronger, more cohesive 3rd period. It wasn’t enough, but maybe that period is one they can build on 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 Straight elbow to the face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 1 minute ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Seems like they looked into the abyss and responded with a stronger, more cohesive 3rd period. It wasn’t enough, but maybe that period is one they can build on 🤷♂️ They play better as the game went on but where is the fire this team had last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 7 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: They play better as the game went on but where is the fire this team had last season? Yeah, it’s pretty sad when we’re looking back nostalgically to the 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens. Yet here we are. I assume that lack of confidence is the biggest issue with guys like Barron and WiFi, and perhaps Dach and Newhook. I wonder, though, whether something hasn’t soured the internal chemistry a bit. They look to my totally amateur eye like a team that has some sort of issue beyond just sucking. Just a month ago we were talking about the great team spirit, how excited guys were to be part of this, etc. Now they look…like they don’t quite believe in each other or trust each other not to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 There seems to be something missing. They played with some desperation in the 3rd but where was that energy earlier in the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 Waiting for the stat card but Data Puck posted this GF% for the various line combos. Absolute crap except what we already knew what worked: Caufield, Suzuki, Dach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 33 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Straight elbow to the face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 6 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Waiting for the stat card but Data Puck posted this GF% for the various line combos. Absolute crap except what we already knew what worked: Caufield, Suzuki, Dach. Funny to contrast line 3 with line 1 on that list, LOL. God love Josh Anderson but… Isn’t the Kapanen line also doing OK by this metric? (Sorry, my stats knowledge is as bad as my high school math grades would suggest). I thought Kapanen looked pretty good tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 3, 2024 Author Share Posted November 3, 2024 10 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: If you look at the individual players' data, it looks quite different. This one is from moneypuck but naturalstattrick data is quite similar. 79% is super high for the top line, though, is that 5-on-5, though, or all situations (including power play)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 I think Kapanen has looked good this year. It hasn't translated into points but you can see the talent is there. It might be better to send him back for a year. I don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 7 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Funny to contrast line 3 with line 1 on that list, LOL. God love Josh Anderson but… Isn’t the Kapanen line also doing OK by this metric? (Sorry, my stats knowledge is as bad as my high school math grades would suggest). I thought Kapanen looked pretty good tonight. Yeah you are correct that the Kapanen, Dvorak, Heineman were decent and the new stat page Im about to post show they had a good night. 6 hours ago, tomh009 said: If you look at the individual players' data, it looks quite different. This one is from moneypuck but naturalstattrick data is quite similar. 79% is super high for the top line, though, is that 5-on-5, though, or all situations (including power play)? Interesting that Dvorak had such a statistically good night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 Game stat card is super interesting. Habs played a fairly strong defensive game but almost every player had absolutely no offensive impact at all. Slafkovsky, Dach, Newhook were especially terrible. Dvorak was the champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 3 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Interesting that Dvorak had such a statistically good night. I admit I don't understand these stats as well as some on this board but isn't that because he scored the only goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 49 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I admit I don't understand these stats as well as some on this board but isn't that because he scored the only goal. The dark green bar accounts for his goal (individual offence). The light coloured green is team offence and he did well there too. What these stats tell me is that the Habs poured their heart and soul into team defence last night. At the expense of team offence. Greatest defensive team effort of the season so far 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: The dark green bar accounts for his goal (individual offence). The light coloured green is team offence and he did well there too. What these stats tell me is that the Habs poured their heart and soul into team defence last night. At the expense of team offence. Greatest defensive team effort of the season so far Thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 3, 2024 Share Posted November 3, 2024 Habs' plane struck by fueling truck in Pittsburgh Enough damage that the plane could not fly ... so they spent the night in Pittsburgh ... getting back to Montreal this afternoon Talk about things not going their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 3, 2024 Author Share Posted November 3, 2024 5 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: The dark green bar accounts for his goal (individual offence). The light coloured green is team offence and he did well there too. What these stats tell me is that the Habs poured their heart and soul into team defence last night. At the expense of team offence. Greatest defensive team effort of the season so far Fully agreed. St-Louis had focused them on preventing defensive mistakes, and they largely did that, but then were so cautious that they had little offence on the night. Some more maturity in decision-making should help them find the balance. Definitely still a work in progress. Beyond that, I should note that while the various advanced stats sites and Twitter posters all use the same underlying data from the NHL, they all analyze and interpret it somewhat differently (you can easily see this when you compare the xGF/xGA/GSAx numbers from various sites). So, no one site is likely to be an absolute source of truth, but in combination with the eye test these analytics are certainly useful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 13 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I admit I don't understand these stats as well as some on this board but isn't that because he scored the only goal. No. His stat card was very good before the goal. And the goal is only counted for its xG not as a 1.0 goal. The charts are based on xG so that good or bad goaltending is a neutral factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 3 minutes ago, Commandant said: No. His stat card was very good before the goal. And the goal is only counted for its xG not as a 1.0 goal. The charts are based on xG so that good or bad goaltending is a neutral factor. So what you are saying is that Dvorak had a good game? I guess anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 30 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: So what you are saying is that Dvorak had a good game? I guess anything is possible. He had an excellent game. It was just one game though and doesnt make up for his bad ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 I liked Heineman's game as well. Id like to see him in the top 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 Patience, young grass hoppers🫠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 4, 2024 Author Share Posted November 4, 2024 23 minutes ago, Lanes World said: Patience, young grass hoppers🫠 That's something that's usually in very short supply on Internet discussion forums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 16 minutes ago, tomh009 said: That's something that's usually in very short supply on Internet discussion forums! Agreed. I think Habs fans have been pretty patient. Expectations are higher this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted November 4, 2024 Share Posted November 4, 2024 lol, I find myself getting mad at games too. The hybrid defensive system seems to be a tough one for these guys to pick up on . I have a tough time understanding it just watching. I love Marty, he’s a very intelligent individual, but sometimes I wonder if he should be an assistant coach…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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