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This team has way bigger problems than face offs.

 

I think Machine's wider point about the Habs' advanced stats being deceptive is well taken. We could come back with the exact same group next season and, if Price and Weber are healthy, probably vault all the way up to being a bubble team. No doubt Bergevin would hail this as proof of his surpassing managerial vision. But sensible people have to recognize that this bunch is nowhere close to being an elite, contending team and that the club has, in fact, taken significant steps backward since 2014. That's the basic fact a rational analyst has to cling to coldly, like death.

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DON    42
11 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

It is a skill

 

It doesn correlate strongly to winning though.

More than Corsi does...:D

 

 

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Chris    3

Only stats that matter are wins and losses. 

 

They need a complete rebuild, they have been retooling for 20 plus years. 

 

Getting younger, faster bigger and more talented has to be the long term goal. 

 

Icing a team without a #1 or #2 center is on MB, having 5 bottom pair defenseman is on MB. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Chris said:

They need a complete rebuild, they have been retooling for 20 plus years. 

 

Getting younger, faster bigger and more talented has to be the long term goal. 

 

Icing a team without a #1 or #2 center is on MB, having 5 bottom pair defenseman is on MB. 

 

Agreed. They lack a 1C, 2C, 1RW, 1LD, and 2LD if they wanted to compete for a Cup. Maybe if they play Drouin at RW that covers a spot, but lacking two top six centres is tough when you're not David Poile and know how to trade for them. They also have a depleted prospect base so they can't trade for one. Signing them is difficult when you're not very good either. They might only need a 1C if they move Galchenyuk to centre but that's not happening with Bergevin as GM.

 

But nah if they hit the jackpot with Tavares everything will fall into place!

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Chris    3

Yea, Galchenyuk's numbers are better at center i believe. 

 

They have decent enough wingers if they had a legit 1 and 2 centers. 

 

They lack of any top end young talent is just pathetic, again MB. I believe he said he wanted to build through the draft, clearly an epic failure. 

 

 

 

 

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Commandant    705
4 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said:

I'll concede on faceoff percentage as there's only 26 centres with 35 points or more with a faceoff of 50% or better. Looking in the past it's usually about 30 or so centres with 45 points or more at a 50% faceoff percentage. I think if anything we got spoiled by Perreault, Koivu, and Gomez.

 

That said, it's not like we have guys who are good at getting pucks from the opposing team if they don't have it, so it's not like they are good at something that negates the need for good faceoffs. So until we got a McDavid or a Malkin or a Kuznetsov with a 43% faceoff but it doesn't matter they are good anyway, it's a silly point all around.

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We have to acquire a centre... that is obvious to all involved. 

 

Faceoff percentage should not be a top criteria in evaluating the centres we need to acquire. 

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Commandant    705
3 hours ago, DON said:

More than Corsi does...:D

 

 

 

No it doesn't.  

 

This is an actual fact.  Correlations are facts, they aren't opinions.  Its math. 

 

The correlation between Corsi and winning percentage is much stronger than the correlation between faceoffs and winning percentage. 

 

You are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to make up your own facts. 

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