smon Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Good move for a team with lots of cap room, why risk waiting till UFA time. Unfortunately it doesn't look good for Montreal right now, Souray will hit free agency, and Gainey is going to be forced to overpay to find a good replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I think they will be significantly better then last year. Maybe fighting for an 8 seed. Biron is a solid goalie. Great youth and speed. Smon. I actually think Gainey can pull a trade to upgrade the D, EH does have Ryder, Halak and Huet to dangle out there. Not can fetch atleast an upgrade to the D core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Lets get a good defensive minded Dman instead of Souray and let the forwards play offence with Markov and Streit to back them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Timonen is being paid like Niedermayer. Hartnell is being paid like Heatley. Next step they will pay Bertuzzi 2007 like the Bertuzzi of 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_faerie87 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Timonen is being paid like Niedermayer. Hartnell is being paid like Heatley. Next step they will pay Bertuzzi 2007 like the Bertuzzi of 2006. But will anyone pay Yashin like the Yashin of 2001? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Wow...I'm a little peeved because I wanted the Avs to sign Hartnell but not for 4.2 freaking mil. Really not looking forward to the ripple effect this will have on the rest of the market. I agree. I was sure Montreal was not interested in Hartnell, but definitely Timonen. Leave it to the Flyers to once again: 1. Shock us with a trade. 2. Overpay good but not elite talent. 3. Amaze me how fast they can retool. 4. Just get under my skin pulling these deals out of nowhere. That Is All! :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Stealth Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Excellent move by Homer. These deals were realistically what Hartnell and Timonen were going to get anyways. It has been said that the market would be insane this summer and I'd say Hartnell got exactly what was predicted. Timonen maybe a slight overpayment but that's what you have to do in order to get what you want. In the end Homer made a great trade and this is REALLY going to help the Flyers move right back into contention sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I find the amusing part is, while it's still the Flyers doing this, it's not Bobby Clarke. Maybe Clarke isn't bad as we thought and Philly just does something to your brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 But will anyone pay Yashin like the Yashin of 2001? Leafs... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 supid moves like this make me wish the cap would go donw back to 39 Mil. kimonen is a great D and hartnell is a solid winger. wayyyyyyyyyyyy overpaid. players l;ike drury , gomez and briere must be drooling !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 People are forgetting that the Flyers were the worst team in the NHL last year. For players to sign with them, they have to overpay. They even overpaid for Biron. They've also signed Timmonen through to he's 38. It could be a front-loaded deal, so that Kimmo gets most of his money in 4 years and then he might retire. Since they signed him before he was 35, if he retires, it doesn't count against the cap. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Philly is paying him $8m+ next year, and the last year is worth only $1.5m or $2m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 People are forgetting that the Flyers were the worst team in the NHL last year. For players to sign with them, they have to overpay. They even overpaid for Biron. They've also signed Timmonen through to he's 38. It could be a front-loaded deal, so that Kimmo gets most of his money in 4 years and then he might retire. Since they signed him before he was 35, if he retires, it doesn't count against the cap. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Philly is paying him $8m+ next year, and the last year is worth only $1.5m or $2m. I read the breakdown somewhere actually, I think the first 3 years he's being paid 8 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) Flyers make me laugh... So bad organisation! What they think they gonna win with those 2 guys ?? the 9th spot ??? Souray could ask for 9 mils per year now... Edited June 18, 2007 by JoeLassister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mils Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Call me crazy, and by the end of the first week of july, you might be able to just call me "wrong," but I don't think that alll contracts will follow this pattern of being disgustingly expensive. (And that's what these are: disgusting.) Timmonen is a solid defenseman, but $6.3 mil puts him $300,000 AHEAD of Rob Blake, $450,000 short of Scott Niedermayer, $1.3 mil short of Nicklas lidstrom, and $50,000 AHEAD of Chris Pronger. I doubt anybody starts off a list of the best defensemen in the NHL: "Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Pronger Timmonen." That's a disgrace. The $4.2 mil is a little more sensible, but not much. But I digress. Only a few contracts will go this way. Too many teams are paying too much attention to the bottom line to tie up that kind of money for so long. Philadelphia's on-ice product is falling apart at the seams, and my Colorado Avalanche (unfortunately) are a prime example of the kinds of mistakes that a desparate, crumbling franchise will make. (See: Theodore (you were all right about him, especially Fanpuck, Theo's awful), Turgeon, and Brisebois (See the note on Theodore)). A few of the big names will get crazy contracts from desparate teams, but the prices will come out of the stratosphere once those 2 or 3 teams have gotten through their spending fix. What I would worry about is this seeming loophole where teams can trade for the exclusive rights to talk to a free-agent to be, that could be very frustrating. Funny part is, if the cap gets up around $47 mil, we'll be approaching what some of the medium-big market teams were paying anyway. Dallas, for instance was right around $50 mil right before the lockout. Only the mega-spenders (Detroit, NYR, Colorado, and compnay) were above where we are now. The Flyers are the pre-lockout Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan24 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I think the Flyers could be decent next season. They have a lot of good youth a decent goalie now and the players they just signed today. If they can stay healthy and get some good keeping from Biron they could easily make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Sould we ask for a 1rst rounder to let Souray talk with a team for 72 hours ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Sould we ask for a 1rst rounder to let Souray talk with a team for 72 hours ??? Yes but only if it is a bottom 5 crap team that gives us a shot in the lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Looks like they already made Timonen their new captain http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?service=pag...amp;type=roster I like the move and the commitment to win by the Flyers. I am wondering if they could beat the Nordiques record for the best improvement in consecutive years. Nordiques went from 52 pts in 1991-92 to 104 the next year. Flyers had 56 last year. 108 might be pretty high but they'll make the playoffs for sure. It will be Richards and Carter breakout years. Upshall, Hartnell, York, Knuble, Sanderson, Kapanen.. good core. And what about Gagné! Good young and skilled team. ANd they have the 2nd overall pick this year. Biron/Niittymaki in net, Timonen, Pitkanen, Coburn, Hatcher, Picard and Kukkonen on defense... not bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycing Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Wow! Flyers might actually attract a free agent now (not sure about their cap room though?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Congratz to Philly for getting the guys they want. They overpaid but they're the ones laughing when they make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Yeah and anyways that 1st was a throw in by Nashville in the Forsberg trade. So finally the trade looks like this: Upshall, Parent, Timonen, Hartnell and a 3rd rounder for Forsberg. And how many games will Forsberg play next year? Nashville was building a very darn good team. Now all is falling apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Stealth Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Wow! Flyers might actually attract a free agent now (not sure about their cap room though?). They have some space left. Dumping some guys could really help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 What a shocker. Those are some hefty contracts but I agree with MILS I do nt believe that this day will define the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Holmgren is definitely on a roll. If the Flyers get one more mobile defenceman, and maybe one more secondary scorer for the 2nd or 3rd line, they'll have an awesome team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Holmgren is definitely on a roll. If the Flyers get one more mobile defenceman, and maybe one more secondary scorer for the 2nd or 3rd line, they'll have an awesome team. ON PAPER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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