Spending Money - Part Deux

[CoRvInA]

with the cap going to over 56 mil who's gonna make an updated cap hit with Tanguay and company?// or is there a webpage we can see for that?

btw Demitra ... he's going down hill ... I work with trends all day long... and his trend is clear as an Ozone free blue sky! so I'm okay with Pavol but no more than what Koivu or Kovy is making now!

Jason Williams: hmmm better than Smolinski yes.. but were getting another second/third line centre or better a second or first line RWinger if he's got what it takes probably double Smolo's price... No more than 4.5 mil please Bob unless he is an AS on faceoffs!

Jagr: hmm no unless he calls Gainey Himself and plays for 4 mil Max (will never happen)

Shanahan: After what he did to Bobby 2 years ago ... no more than 4 Mil and yes the best possible answer to meet the Big brother to the Latendress bro's and Higgins and all the North American forwards we've got

Morrison: Myself iving in Vancouver... somehow I don't have a good feeling about whats between those two ears of his... No potential of improvement other than reaching his best year (two three years ago?) Second line centre at no more than 3 mil please... only if we have to get someone!

Which raises the question... if none of the desired players arrive in the first 24 hours of July first I would be happy if we sign Streit at aprox 3 mil and Smolinski at 1.5-2 mil

which leaves room for trading the excess once tanguay settles in...... CAUSE REMEMBER SAmsonov people!!!!

Gracias

Edited June 27, 2008 by CoRvInA

[MAK]

with the cap going to over 56 mil who's gonna make an updated cap hit with Tanguay and company?// or is there a webpage we can see for that?

Gracias

De Nada

[CoRvInA]

De Nada

Yeahh!!! Thanks Marky

[JoeLassister]

with the cap going to over 56 mil who's gonna make an updated cap hit with Tanguay and company?// or is there a webpage we can see for that?

btw Demitra ... he's going down hill ... I work with trends all day long... and his trend is clear as an Ozone free blue sky! so I'm okay with Pavol but no more than what Koivu or Kovy is making now!

Jason Williams: hmmm better than Smolinski yes.. but were getting another second/third line centre or better a second or first line RWinger if he's got what it takes probably double Smolo's price... No more than 4.5 mil please Bob unless he is an AS on faceoffs!

Jagr: hmm no unless he calls Gainey Himself and plays for 4 mil Max (will never happen)

Shanahan: After what he did to Bobby 2 years ago ... no more than 4 Mil and yes the best possible answer to meet the Big brother to the Latendress bro's and Higgins and all the North American forwards we've got

Morrison: Myself iving in Vancouver... somehow I don't have a good feeling about whats between those two ears of his... No potential of improvement other than reaching his best year (two three years ago?) Second line centre at no more than 3 mil please... only if we have to get someone!

Which raises the question... if none of the desired players arrive in the first 24 hours of July first I would be happy if we sign Streit at aprox 3 mil and Smolinski at 1.5-2 mil

which leaves room for trading the excess once tanguay settles in...... CAUSE REMEMBER SAmsonov people!!!!

Gracias

Do I misread or you think Jason Williams worth more than Jaromir Jagr ??

[Easy Ryder]

The cap raise bringed more speculation, intesresting points on players available on FA.

This bring us back to Streit.

The habs need a pivot with a good shot for the first PP wave to go with Markov.

A quick inventory of defense and we see that no D can do the job effectively except Hammer, who

we need for second wave PP.

The other options are S. Kost and ??(blink)

Does his PP talent compensate his poor performance in playoffs and his defensive flaws ?

I for myself think that Sergei can do the job and it's time to move on.

[Chris]

They don't need Streit. He vanished like others in the playoffs. SK cantake his spot on the pp. Most of Streit's points were assists and that's what SK does best.

IF they get Sundin Bg won't resign any ufa's, he'll want a little money down the stretch to tweek the lineup.

Maybe Brisby as a #7 can help the PP at times.

No reason to pay 3 mill for a PP specialist.

[Habsfan]

They don't need Streit. He vanished like others in the playoffs. SK cantake his spot on the pp. Most of Streit's points were assists and that's what SK does best.

IF they get Sundin Bg won't resign any ufa's, he'll want a little money down the stretch to tweek the lineup.

Maybe Brisby as a #7 can help the PP at times.

No reason to pay 3 mill for a PP specialist.

The thing about Streit is that he has a decent shot from the blue line, and more importantly, he was accurate with his shot. He ususally put the shot ON net!

BUt once again, i don'T believe Streit is worth anywhere near 3 million$ per year. Maybe 2 million$ MAX!

Edited June 27, 2008 by Habsfan

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

Streit is a nice player, but overrated. He benefited hugely from playing on the league's highest-scoring team and his physical and defensive games are nonexistent. He should be resigned for maybe $2 mil, but some other organization will likely pay him over $3 because of his gaudy numbers, and we shouldn't get involved in any kind of bidding war for him. If he's smart, he'll take less money to stay in his present, perfect situation. Since most hockey players aren't that smart, I expect him to take the money and run. And we will no doubt put someone else in his slot with minimal damage; because if we could replace Sheldon Souray, a genuinely elite PP specialist, we bloody well can replace the Swiss Miss.

Edited June 27, 2008 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber

[Chris]

Where does he fit on the roster is the other question.

With additions of Tanguay, Chipchura and Dandy as extrta's where does he play. Plus the Sundin possibilty.

As CC points out, he's not good enough to play top 6 D, not good enough to be a regular forward. Who sits?

[saskhab]

They don't need Streit. He vanished like others in the playoffs. SK cantake his spot on the pp. Most of Streit's points were assists and that's what SK does best.

IF they get Sundin Bg won't resign any ufa's, he'll want a little money down the stretch to tweek the lineup.

Maybe Brisby as a #7 can help the PP at times.

No reason to pay 3 mill for a PP specialist.

Yeah, we're mainly talking other UFA options if Sundin doesn't sign. I just suggested that at some point, Streit looks better than the other options available. And I'm not sure if even at that point, we should re-sign him, because the asking price might be too much.

And to CoRvInA.... the number I have is up to date, based on a full roster of contracted players (minus a backup goalie, as we're in need of one and Loic Lacasse is not a reasonable solution).

[Easy Ryder]

Somebody else will offer him this kind of money and 3+ years.

How tough is it to find a point men that can hit the net ?

Sadly it is rare, we have to develop one.

Without putting a hole in the line up 5-5. Defensively 5-5 Streit is too passive and small. Offensively 5-5 he doesn't bring more than any

of our top nine players. 4th line i would prefer some young aggressive blood.

I used to like O'byrne but his limits now lead me to consider him as a 7th defensemen.

Leading for a bigger role in 2 years.

Definely habs need another offensive D men short term to replace Streit and Brisebois.

[saskhab]

Somebody else will offer him this kind of money and 3+ years.

How tough is it to find a point men that can hit the net ?

Sadly it is rare, we have to develop one.

Without putting a hole in the line up 5-5. Defensively 5-5 Streit is too passive and small. Offensively 5-5 he doesn't bring more than any

of our top nine players. 4th line i would prefer some young aggressive blood.

I used to like O'byrne but his limits now lead me to consider him as a 7th defensemen.

Leading for a bigger role in 2 years.

Definely habs need another offensive D men short term to replace Streit and Brisebois.

I think that if Sundin signs, the D-man becomes the trade deadline target. We make do with our current group (maybe bring back Breezer to rotate with O'Byrne/injury fill-in) and look for what's available in February for us to fill in (hopefully) the last hole in the lineup and put us on a level to compete with the big boys in the West while having the lineup that can walk over the East.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

I may be speaking out of ignorance here, but isn't John Michael Liles a UFA? Assuming we lose Sundin, I would be inclined to make him one of the few UFAs of interest after Rolston. Clearly he is a bona fide to-4 offensive defenceman, no? And probably cheaper than Campbell by some distance. How's his point shot?

Edited June 27, 2008 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber

[saskhab]

I may be speaking out of ignorance here, but isn't John Michael Liles a UFA? Assuming we lose Sundin, I would be inclined to make him one of the few UFAs of interest after Rolston. Clearly he is a bona fide to-4 offensive defenceman, no? And probably cheaper than Campbell by some distance. How's his point shot?

I guess it just seems Gainey isn't interested enough in getting another D signed to a long term deal. Liles will, at very least, sign for $3.5m a year for 4 years or more. He's going to get Priessing money minimum. With Komisarek coming up on UFA, and with all the D prospects we have... it just doesn't seem to make a ton of fiscal sense. Especially since signing him likely would require a NTC or a NMC, given recent trends.

[Habsfan]

I agree with saskhab. The Habs don't need another d-man. O'Byrne will improve this year, and we have tons of good young d-men coming up in the minors!

What teh Hasb need is a BIG Centre!

[Easy Ryder]

I agree with saskhab. The Habs don't need another d-man. O'Byrne will improve this year, and we have tons of good young d-men coming up in the minors!

What teh Hasb need is a BIG Centre!

Sundin will not come in MTL it's all BS even Fletcher is fed up because Habs had the better offer

but his agent wanted to talk first with the Rags, and now Jagr may leave the Rags for Russia.

For defensemen O'byrne is too defensive for what we need to replace right now. 7th D for me.

Still one space to fill a 4th D.

[BTH]

Liles isn't much different from Streit and he'll cost just as much. I'd say, if it comes down to picking between the two, you take the one that is coming off a 62 point season with YOUR team and you know fits in.

Of all the suggested options, I'm starting to like Demitra the most. The age is not an issue, he is a few years younger than Sundin and both of them are point-a-game forwards. Demitra's numbers declined a bit because he was on a very defensive team in Minny and was hit by a couple of injuries (as was Gaborik so they didn't get to play as much together). On our team, Demitra could return to his PPG form. He had 5 points less than Rolston this season in 13 less games. In addition, Rolston was a -1 while Demitra was a +9.

I think he can play both right-wing and C which is just what we need, I think. I think he fits into our team better than anyone else out there simply because he is the most explosive option remaining. Not better, but more explosive on the attack than Sundin, I would say.

I think he could get something like 5.5 x 3-4 years on the open market. I would want him for something in between 4-5.5M and would insist on the contract being no more than two years (he turns 34 in November). At 5 x 2, I would love to have Demitra.

[thib46]

Sundin will not come in MTL it's all BS even Fletcher is fed up because Habs had the better offer

but his agent wanted to talk first with the Rags, and now Jagr may leave the Rags for Russia.

For defensemen O'byrne is too defensive for what we need to replace right now. 7th D for me.

Still one space to fill a 4th D.

Are you always so optimistic?

[CoRvInA]

Do I misread or you think Jason Williams worth more than Jaromir Jagr ??

haha its more my wish>.. I don't want him unless he comes cheap! lol but no way he signs anywhere under 5 mil he's going for the same as Sundin is wanting

[CoRvInA]

Sundin will not come in MTL it's all BS even Fletcher is fed up because Habs had the better offer

but his agent wanted to talk first with the Rags, and now Jagr may leave the Rags for Russia.

For defensemen O'byrne is too defensive for what we need to replace right now. 7th D for me.

Still one space to fill a 4th D.

Is Cote out of the game plan for the Habs? and why so abruptly? he got injured and sent down and never recalled... last I heard was COTE felt the habs didnt want him anymore not the other way around!

Was he included in the 8 QO's? cause he could be the only D ready to take the 6th or 7th spot if Dandy is moved

[Ecurb]

We all know what we need is another C, preferably a big one,

but we need someone to complete our top 3 lines. Sundin is

still the best option out there, no other UFA comes close to

what we need.

Alot of you are suggesting we spend our money on either a UFA

winger that we move to C or upgrading the D. I even thought

about signing Jagr and moving Higgins to C. All those ideas are

interesting but we're just hoping they solve whats percieved as

a weakness at C.

I'm now leaning towards waitng to see what Sundin decides. He's

exactly what we need and for all our frustration in waiting for his

decision, we should wait till he decides.

When Sundin decides, if its not in our favour, then plan B should

be the trade route. I would hope Gainey has contacted a few GM's

that have some depth at C should we have to go to plan B.

These are a few C's I think we should consider as plan B.

Stoll, the Oilers have depth at C, not sure what they'd want back

but he's a good fit as a 3rd line C. He's got size, he's great on FO's,

plays an agressive game and he's righthanded. This is a player that

had 68 points 3 seasons ago and was on his way to another 60+

point season 2 years ago before he got a concussion. He can play

the point on the PP. He was also a Bulldog several years ago when

some of our current players were down there. He might have even

played with Higgins and might form 2/3rd's of a great shutdown line

with him.

Hanzal, the Yotes have alot of depth at C. Adding Jokinen means they

have Jokinen,Muller,Turris and Hanzal as their top 4 C's. They'll probably

move one of those C's to wing because of that depth. I'm not sure what

they would want in a trade but Hanzal might end up being a 1st or 2nd

line C and might be worth the gamble. He's 6'5 and 210lbs and only 21

years old, got lots of upside.

Nylander, again a team with lots of depth at C, provided they re-sign

Fedorov. Check out Nylanders career stats and check out his playoff

stats. He's a solid offensive player with decent size. The thing with the

Caps is that Fedorov really fit in well for them and I expect them to

re-sign him. The Caps got a couple of problems right now. They want

to re-sign Huet, but that will cost. But, a bigger problem will be Green

who is looking for an offer-sheet come July 1st. I don't doubt the Caps

will match that offer-sheet, but thats going to also cost alot. The bottom

line is the Caps will probably be looking to free cap space and Nylander

might be available relatively cheaply. The drawback with Nylander is that

he is signed for 3 more years at 4.875M per. Yet, if we were able to send

Dandenault there way, we save cap space for another addition this year

should we have a need. He could always be bought out on the last year

of his contract, but for 2 year he's as good as most of the UFA's available

this year.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

We all know what we need is another C, preferably a big one,

but we need someone to complete our top 3 lines. Sundin is

still the best option out there, no other UFA comes close to

what we need.

Alot of you are suggesting we spend our money on either a UFA

winger that we move to C or upgrading the D. I even thought

about signing Jagr and moving Higgins to C. All those ideas are

interesting but we're just hoping they solve whats percieved as

a weakness at C.

I'm now leaning towards waitng to see what Sundin decides. He's

exactly what we need and for all our frustration in waiting for his

decision, we should wait till he decides.

When Sundin decides, if its not in our favour, then plan B should

be the trade route. I would hope Gainey has contacted a few GM's

that have some depth at C should we have to go to plan B.

These are a few C's I think we should consider as plan B.

Stoll, the Oilers have depth at C, not sure what they'd want back

but he's a good fit as a 3rd line C. He's got size, he's great on FO's,

plays an agressive game and he's righthanded. This is a player that

had 68 points 3 seasons ago and was on his way to another 60+

point season 2 years ago before he got a concussion. He can play

the point on the PP. He was also a Bulldog several years ago when

some of our current players were down there. He might have even

played with Higgins and might form 2/3rd's of a great shutdown line

with him.

Hanzal, the Yotes have alot of depth at C. Adding Jokinen means they

have Jokinen,Muller,Turris and Hanzal as their top 4 C's. They'll probably

move one of those C's to wing because of that depth. I'm not sure what

they would want in a trade but Hanzal might end up being a 1st or 2nd

line C and might be worth the gamble. He's 6'5 and 210lbs and only 21

years old, got lots of upside.

Nylander, again a team with lots of depth at C, provided they re-sign

Fedorov. Check out Nylanders career stats and check out his playoff

stats. He's a solid offensive player with decent size. The thing with the

Caps is that Fedorov really fit in well for them and I expect them to

re-sign him. The Caps got a couple of problems right now. They want

to re-sign Huet, but that will cost. But, a bigger problem will be Green

who is looking for an offer-sheet come July 1st. I don't doubt the Caps

will match that offer-sheet, but thats going to also cost alot. The bottom

line is the Caps will probably be looking to free cap space and Nylander

might be available relatively cheaply. The drawback with Nylander is that

he is signed for 3 more years at 4.875M per. Yet, if we were able to send

Dandenault there way, we save cap space for another addition this year

should we have a need. He could always be bought out on the last year

of his contract, but for 2 year he's as good as most of the UFA's available

this year.

I don't like the Nylander idea strictly because of that contract. But this is a thoughtful and thought-provoking post - kudos. Stoll is a very attractive option, although, as you say, it all depends on what we send back. In any case, we might all be giving up on Mats a tad early...

[JoeLassister]

Hanzal would be great, but now what are our assets to get a 21 yo player ? Grabovski ???

[Wamsley01]

I don't like the Nylander idea strictly because of that contract. But this is a thoughtful and thought-provoking post - kudos. Stoll is a very attractive option, although, as you say, it all depends on what we send back. In any case, we might all be giving up on Mats a tad early...

I agree. Sundin was never going to sign minutes after the deal. He is slow and methodical

about everything he does. If he does not sign, oh well. At least I know Gainey pitched him

on the city and didn't get the July 1st runaround.

If he does not sign it has NOTHING to do with Bo Gainey and everything to do with Sundin either

going for the money, or not wanting to play with the Habs.

If the Habs sign nobody they can sit and wait and be patient. They should not take the approach

that they must win this season because it is the 100th anniversary. Keep building, remain cap flexible

and their time will come.

[ehjay]

Liles isn't much different from Streit and he'll cost just as much. I'd say, if it comes down to picking between the two, you take the one that is coming off a 62 point season with YOUR team and you know fits in.

Of all the suggested options, I'm starting to like Demitra the most. The age is not an issue, he is a few years younger than Sundin and both of them are point-a-game forwards. Demitra's numbers declined a bit because he was on a very defensive team in Minny and was hit by a couple of injuries (as was Gaborik so they didn't get to play as much together). On our team, Demitra could return to his PPG form. He had 5 points less than Rolston this season in 13 less games. In addition, Rolston was a -1 while Demitra was a +9.

I think he can play both right-wing and C which is just what we need, I think. I think he fits into our team better than anyone else out there simply because he is the most explosive option remaining. Not better, but more explosive on the attack than Sundin, I would say.

I think he could get something like 5.5 x 3-4 years on the open market. I would want him for something in between 4-5.5M and would insist on the contract being no more than two years (he turns 34 in November). At 5 x 2, I would love to have Demitra.

I like the Dimitra idea, YOUR price would be right (lol) and I really beleive that he is underated as a player in the league. + he would not be making that much more then Saks and Kovy, I think that will keep things well in the room.