Andrei Kostitsyn

[les_glorieux]

Andrei Kostitsyn<Jeff Carter

Andrei Kostitsyn<Zach Parise

Andrei Kostitsyn<Ryan Getzlaf

Andrei Kostitsyn<Mike Richards

Andrei Kostitsyn<Mark Stuart

Andrei Kostitsyn<Corey Perry

. I guess it's good we didnt' pick Hugh Jessiman.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

[MAK]

Mind you if it wasn't for his epilepsy he wouldn't have fallen that far in the draft and we would've gotten dion phaneuf

we see flashes of briliance(sp) but not enough. I beleive that he'll blossom when he'll play without Kovy in the same lineup. he's stalled since Kovy came back.

remember it rook a while for Markus Naslund , Todd bertuzzi...to get to full potential.

still it's clearly not the best pick of the draft.

[BTH]

Mark Stuart??

[les_glorieux]

Mark Stuart??

A joke to drive the point home...

[HABBER-oooooKNOWS]

Mind you if it wasn't for his epilepsy he wouldn't have fallen that far in the draft and we would've gotten dion phaneuf

we see flashes of briliance(sp) but not enough. I beleive that he'll blossom when he'll play without Kovy in the same lineup. he's stalled since Kovy came back.

remember it rook a while for Markus Naslund , Todd bertuzzi...to get to full potential.

still it's clearly not the best pick of the draft.

Time will tell. His development may be slowed by a few things. Carbo wasn't a good communicator,it brought the best of them down this year and they're english speaking kids that didn't understand they're role. His english is really bad and I'm sure it's been hard for him, but yet he still puts up decent numbers, even with all the sex, drugs and rock and roll this season. He will explode!

Imagine if Vinny came over this year? He's been terrible. How miserable would Montreal fans be with him this year? 26 goals from a big franchise centre worth 10 million a year. AK has 23 and there is more to come. He was a steal, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. He's too special of a player to just fall into mediocrity, AK just hasn't got over that career changing hump yet. It's coming. This years play-offs?

Plus.............The flu bug? It seems this year when you come back from the flu you kick ass. Kovy? Tangs? and now AK!!!!!

Edited March 27, 2009 by HABBER-oooooKNOWS

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

Wow, looking at the link, that was a kick-ass draft year!

While I certainly see that Carter, Getzlaf, Richards and Parise (for instance) were all hugely and irrefutably better picks than Kostitsyn - what we wouldn't give for Richards, Getzlaf or Carter at C! - it's waaaay to early to give up on Kostitsyn or dismiss his star potential. He was a rookie last season and scored 26 goals and 53 points; that's damned good by any standard. Now he's on a 47-point pace, a disappointing follow-up, but still at the same goal-scoring clip. But these numbers surpass what Jeff Carter put up in his first and second NHL seasons. Granted, Kosty is older than Carter was, but then again he's had to adapt to a huge change in culture and language. (Kosty is also significantly outpacing Perry's 1st-2nd-year numbers, BTW).

As with a lot of young players, it can swing either way with Kosty. He is learning what it takes to be a consistent NHL producer, and he has to decide for himself whether he wants to be an elite player or just cash a cheque. This is a typical learning curve. We saw something similar with Latendresse, who only this season has shown the maturity and consistency of a real pro, and with Lapierre, who had to be sent down before figuring it all out. We saw it with Komi...for that matter, we saw it with Markov. We're seeing it with Price. Just because Chris Higgins (tagged as a future star, turns out that he's most likely best-suited to be a 2nd-line winger at best) was a tease doesn't mean all the Habs young guns are.

Kostitsyn is still a potential star LW as far as I'm concerned. (I suspect we'll get a better feel for him once Kovalev leaves, but even that might be unfair - it could take 2-3 more seasons for him to fully hit his stride. Also, at some point he'll need a decent C. Just something to keep in mind re: his potential).

Edited March 27, 2009 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber

[MK1]

He needs to just stay the course and get more and more comfortable in the show. AK46 has something that the vast majority of guys just dont have .... an AMAZING release. This guy has the sheer raw talent to be a 40g scorer he just needs to realize it and start shooting the way Ovie and Kovalchuk do, which is pretty much anywhere, anytime. He has flashes of it every now and then where he just grabs the puck in the neutral zone, gains the blueline and uses the D as a screen and lets it go and handcuffs alot of tenders. Just keep showing him tapes of that, and translate for him "do THAT more".

[BTH]

Wow, looking at the link, that was a kick-ass draft year!

There are notable players in every single round. Even the 9th had Brian Elliott as the second to last pick in the draft.

[alexstream]

Andrei Kostitsyn<Jeff Carter

Andrei Kostitsyn<Zach Parise

Andrei Kostitsyn<Ryan Getzlaf

Andrei Kostitsyn<Mike Richards

Andrei Kostitsyn<Mark Stuart

Andrei Kostitsyn<Corey Perry

. I guess it's good we didnt' pick Hugh Jessiman.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

wow, you're great at looking back in the past on hockeydb.

last season, you could have said that about Carter and would have put A. Kost on the top of the list.

I'm way more concerned by Chipchura lack of talent than by A. Kost punctual lack of drive.

[Fanpuck33]

There are notable players in every single round. Even the 9th had Brian Elliott as the second to last pick in the draft.

Ahem. Jaroslav Halak also.

[BTH]

Ahem. Jaroslav Halak also.

Missed his name. But guys like Enstrom and O'Brien are buried late in the draft while the top three rounds are loaded.

[huzer]

Seriously, we're looking back at drafts? What's next, an "I can't believe we traded Leclair!" thread?? Awfully quick to write of Kostitsyn, isn't it? Especially given the offensive collapse of that line, and regressions by nearly every single player on the roster.

Edited March 27, 2009 by huzer

[Easy Ryder]

We sure expected more from him but he is not a character guy, not that he doesn't have any, just that

he doesn't have to do it, the spotlight is somewhere else, he get's plenty of money and doesn't have it

in him.

Maybe a good playoff or playoff run clutch goal will light that in him. the will to win at any cost.

[saskhab]

Drafting Andrei Kostitsyn also directly led to drafting Mikhail Grabovski and Sergei Kostitsyn. It's unlikely we would've scouted those players if they weren't trying to monitor Andrei's development more closely.

[alexstream]

Seriously, we're looking back at drafts? What's next, an "I can't believe we traded Leclair!" thread?? Awfully quick to write of Kostitsyn, isn't it? Especially given the offensive collapse of that line, and regressions by nearly every single player on the roster.

well, some guys have also already written Price (21 y.o.) off so I'm not really surprised.

Fans should have learned their lesson with Ribeiro. but fans never learn...

the "prime" years of Hockey players is normally AFTER 25-27 y.o. depending on the maturity (and many other factors)...

[les_glorieux]

well, some guys have also already written Price (21 y.o.) off so I'm not really surprised.

Fans should have learned their lesson with Ribeiro. but fans never learn...

the "prime" years of Hockey players is normally AFTER 25-27 y.o. depending on the maturity (and many other factors)...

I guess I just noticed that two players that were passed over in the 2003 draft are 2-3 in goals.

[KoZed]

Hindsight is 20/20

I remember lot and lot of Habs fans were happy that Kostitsyn fell unto our lap at 10 overall because after Zherdev he was simply the best pure talent (skating, shooting, stickhandlng) available at that rank.

[Habsfan]

Wow, looking at the link, that was a kick-ass draft year!

While I certainly see that Carter, Getzlaf, Richards and Parise (for instance) were all hugely and irrefutably better picks than Kostitsyn - what we wouldn't give for Richards, Getzlaf or Carter at C! - it's waaaay to early to give up on Kostitsyn or dismiss his star potential. He was a rookie last season and scored 26 goals and 53 points; that's damned good by any standard. Now he's on a 47-point pace, a disappointing follow-up, but still at the same goal-scoring clip. But these numbers surpass what Jeff Carter put up in his first and second NHL seasons. Granted, Kosty is older than Carter was, but then again he's had to adapt to a huge change in culture and language. (Kosty is also significantly outpacing Perry's 1st-2nd-year numbers, BTW).

As with a lot of young players, it can swing either way with Kosty. He is learning what it takes to be a consistent NHL producer, and he has to decide for himself whether he wants to be an elite player or just cash a cheque. This is a typical learning curve. We saw something similar with Latendresse, who only this season has shown the maturity and consistency of a real pro, and with Lapierre, who had to be sent down before figuring it all out. We saw it with Komi...for that matter, we saw it with Markov. We're seeing it with Price. Just because Chris Higgins (tagged as a future star, turns out that he's most likely best-suited to be a 2nd-line winger at best) was a tease doesn't mean all the Habs young guns are.

Kostitsyn is still a potential star LW as far as I'm concerned. (I suspect we'll get a better feel for him once Kovalev leaves, but even that might be unfair - it could take 2-3 more seasons for him to fully hit his stride. Also, at some point he'll need a decent C. Just something to keep in mind re: his potential).

Excellent post CC!! We have to be patient with kostitsyn. We tend to forget that he has had a hard time learning english and tha tit must have been very hard for him to adapt to North america. Give the kid a break. I have no doubt that AK46 will be a 35-40 goal scorer in the NHl within the next 3 years. He's only 23 years old. We can't give up on hiim right now. Give him a centre who can really pass the puck and he'll blossom!

[MFT77]

Gotta keep the faith with AKosty. He is still young and might be the best pure scorer the Habs have. He has the best shots amongst the forwards.

I agree that he will become at least a 35 to 40 goal scorer.

Hope he stays a habs for a long while.

[alexstream]

I guess I just noticed that two players that were passed over in the 2003 draft are 2-3 in goals.

you could do that for almost every team, every year.

philly got it right that year... but how many times did they miss before or after?

same for the devils.

both teams started off the 21st century with a better basis than the habs to work with.

to see where we are now (i.e. still in the playoff race... crowded with YOUNG CHEAP and talented players) is pretty cool.

we missed on Carter, but we hitted on Markov.

we missed on Bergeron, but we hitted on Ryder, Streit, Halak.

we haven't missed on A. Kost yet. far from that. he's still our leading scorer as far as I know... despite an awful season. that tells a lot.

as I said earlier, my only real worry is that Chippy was a waste of pick.

him and David Fischer do not look like 1st rounders anymore...

but 2 "miss" over the last couple years... that's still a pretty good ratio.

and we make up in the 2nd round anyways.

Subban, Maxwell, Weber, etc will all look like steals in 2-3 years from now.

[sbhatt]

Andrei will be fine as soon as he gains the confidence to shoot more...he has a wicked release and has the potential to be a 40 goal man with a good centre, if he gets a 'shoot from everywhere inside the blue line' mentality...which I'm sure the coaching staff will instill in him eventually.

[KoZed]

you could do that for almost every team, every year.

philly got it right that year... but how many times did they miss before or after?

same for the devils.

both teams started off the 21st century with a better basis than the habs to work with.

to see where we are now (i.e. still in the playoff race... crowded with YOUNG CHEAP and talented players) is pretty cool.

we missed on Carter, but we hitted on Markov.

we missed on Bergeron, but we hitted on Ryder, Streit, Halak.

we haven't missed on A. Kost yet. far from that. he's still our leading scorer as far as I know... despite an awful season. that tells a lot.

as I said earlier, my only real worry is that Chippy was a waste of pick.

him and David Fischer do not look like 1st rounders anymore...

but 2 "miss" over the last couple years... that's still a pretty good ratio.

and we make up in the 2nd round anyways.

Subban, Maxwell, Weber, etc will all look like steals in 2-3 years from now.

Habs always mess up their 1st pick and strike gold with their other picks. It's almost a tradition.

In bold the Habs 1st pick each year. Check who they picked with later selections. (after junior team are the career stats: GP, G, A, PTS, PIMS)   

   

2006  

20 1 David Fischer D Apple Valley H.S. (Minn)  

49 2 Ben Maxwell C Kootenay Ice [WHL]  

53 2 Mathieu Carle D Acadie-Bathurst Titan [QMJHL]  

66 3 Ryan White C Calgary Hitmen [WHL]  

   

2004

18 1 Kyle Chipchura C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 36 4 7 11 10  

150 5 Mikhail Grabovski C Nizhnekamsk Neftekhimik [Russia] 27 3 6 9 8

262 9 Mark Streit D Zurich [swiss-A] 205 25 84 109 70  

   

1998

16 1 Eric Chouinard C Quebec Remparts [QMJHL] 90 11 11 22 16

45 2 Mike Ribeiro C Rouyn-Noranda Huskies [QMJHL] 433 95 200 295 160

75 3 Francois Beauchemin D Laval Titan College Francais [QMJHL] 226 17 68 85 160

162 6 Andrei Markov D Khimik Voskresensk (Russia) 493 62 203 265 289  

216 8 Michael Ryder R Hull Olympiques [QMJHL] 314 99 108 207 156

   

1996  

18 1 Matt Higgins C Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL] 57 1 2 3 6

44 2 Mathieu Garon G Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 185 0 4 4 24

71 3 Arron Asham R Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 498 64 71 135 537  

154 6 Brett Clark D U. of Maine [NCAA] 377 29 78 107 199

   

1995  

8 1 Terry Ryan L Tri-City Americans [WHL] 8 0 0 0 36  

1164 7 Stephane Robidas D Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL] 489 27 82 109 342

   

1994  

18 1 Brad Brown D North Bay Centennials [OHL] 330 2 27 29 747

44 2 Jose Theodore G St. Jean Lynx [QMJHL] 444 1 11 12 28  

226 9 Tomas Vokoun G Poldi Kladno (Czech.) 453 0 15 15 115

   

1992  

20 1 David Wilkie D Kamloops Blazers [WHL] 167 10 26 36 165

33 2 Valeri Bure R Spokane Chiefs [WHL] 621 174 226 400 221  

68 3 Craig Rivet D Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 744 45 149 194 911

1991  

17 1 Brent Bilodeau D Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]  

28 2 Jim Campbell R Northwood Prep (N.Y.) 285 61 75 136 268  

127 6 Oleg Petrov R CSKA Moscow [Russia] 382 72 115 187 101  

171 8 Brian Savage L Miami University (Ohio) [NCAA] 674 192 167 359 321

   

   

1990  

12 1 Turner Stevenson R Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] 644 75 115 190 969

123 6 Craig Conroy C Northwood Prep (N.Y.) 846 165 312 477 542

   

   

1989  

13 1 Lindsay Vallis R Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] 1 0 0 0 0

30 2 Patrice Brisebois D Laval Titan [QMJHL] 947 93 309 402 604  

   

1988  

20 1 Eric Charron D Trois Rivieres Draveurs [QMJHL] 130 2 7 9 127

93 5 Peter Popovic D VIK (Sweden) 485 10 63 73 291  

167 8 Sean Hill D Duluth East H.S. (Minn.) 876 62 236 298 1008

   

   

1987  

17 1 Andrew Cassels C Ottawa 67's [OHL] 1015 204 528 732 410

33 2 John LeClair L Bellows Free Academy (Vermont) 967 406 413 819 501

38 2 Eric Desjardins D Granby Bisons [QMJHL] 1143 136 439 575 757

44 3 Mathieu Schneider D Cornwall Royals [OHL] 1197 212 490 702 1165

   

   

1986  

15 1 Mark Pederson L Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL] 169 35 50 85 77

27 2 Benoit Brunet L Hull Olympiques [QMJHL] 539 101 161 262 229

57 3 Jyrki Lumme D Ilves Tampere [FNL] 985 114 354 468 620  

141 7 Lyle Odelein D Moose Jaw Warriors [WHL] 1056 50 202 252 2316

   

   

1985  

12 1 Jose Charbonneau R Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 71 9 13 22 67

16 1 Tom Chorske L Minneapolis Southwest H.S. (Minn.) 596 115 122 237 225

79 4 Brent Gilchrist C Kelowna Wings [WHL] 792 135 170 305 400

   

   

1984  

5 1 Petr Svoboda D Czechoslovakia Jr. 1028 58 341 399 1605

8 1 Shayne Corson L Brantford Alexanders [OHL] 1156 273 420 693 2357

29 2 Stephane Richer L Granby Bisons [QMJHL] 1054 421 398 819 614

51 3 Patrick Roy G Granby Bisons [QMJHL] 1029 0 45 45 262  

   

1983  

17 1 Alfie Turcotte C Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] 112 17 29 46 49

26 2 Claude Lemieux R Trois Rivieres Draveurs [QMJHL] 1197 379 406 785 1756

27 2 Sergio Momesso L Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL] 710 152 193 345 1557  

   

1982  

19 1 Alain Heroux F Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]  

33 2 David Maley L Edina H.S. (Minn.) 466 43 81 124 1043

 

1981  

7 1 Mark Hunter F Brantford Alexanders [OHL] 628 213 171 384 1428  

40 2 Chris Chelios D Moose Jaw Canucks [sJHL] 1616 185 763 948 2873

1980  

1 1 Doug Wickenheiser C Regina Pats [WHL] 556 111 165 276 286 (over Denis Savard)

61 3 Craig Ludwig D U. of North Dakota [NCAA] 1256 38 184 222 1437  

124 6 Mike McPhee F R.P.I. [NCAA] 744 200 199 399 661

   

   

1979  

27 2 Gaston Gingras D Birmingham Bulls [WHA] 476 61 174 235 161

37 2 Mats Naslund F Sweden 651 251 383 634 111

44 3 Guy Carbonneau C Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL] 1318 260 403 663 820

   

   

1978

8 1 Dan Geoffrion R Cornwall Royals [QMJHL] 111 20 32 52 99

17 1 Dave Hunter F Sudbury Wolves [OHA] 746 133 190 323 918  

103 6 Keith Acton C Peterborough Petes [OHA] 1023 226 358 584 1172  

231 19 Chris Nilan F Northeastern University [NCAA] 688 110 115 225 3043

   

   

1977

10 1 Mark Napier R Birmingham Bulls [WHA] 767 235 306 541 157 (over Mike Bossy)

36 2 Rod Langway D U. of New Hampshire [NCAA] 994 51 278 329 849

43 3 Alain Cote L Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL] 696 103 190 293 383

1977 Amateur 54 3 Gordie Roberts D New England Whalers [WHA] 1097 61 359 420 1582

   

   

1976

12 1 Peter Lee L Ottawa 67's [OHA] 431 114 131 245 257 

133 13 Ron Wilson C St. Catharines Black Hawks [OHA] 832 110 216 326 415

   

1975

9 1 Robin Sadler D Edmonton Oil Kings [WCHL]  

15 1 Pierre Mondou F Montreal Red White and Blue [QMJHL] 548 194 262 456 179

22 2 Brian Engblom D U. of Wisconsin [NCAA] 659 29 177 206 599

   

   

1974

5 1 Cam Connor R Flin Flon Bombers [WCHL] 89 9 22 31 256

7 1 Doug Risebrough F Kitchener Rangers [OHA] 740 185 286 471 1542

12 1 Mario Tremblay F Montreal Red White and Blue [QMJHL] 852 258 326 584 1043

[sbhatt]

Wow, that list is mind-boggling. Has any other organization in hockey wasted so many of their first picks on total bums?

From the 80's on, the only lineup regular was Svoboda.

Edited March 27, 2009 by sbhatt

[KoZed]

Wow, that list is mind-boggling. Has any other organization in hockey wasted so many of their first picks on total bums?

From the 80's on, the only lineup regular was Svoboda.

I know. Imagine, we could have had Mike Bossy on the RW and Denis Savard at C for the entire 80's. :(

88 to 98 are a desert.  

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

Wow, that list is mind-boggling. Has any other organization in hockey wasted so many of their first picks on total bums?

From the 80's on, the only lineup regular was Svoboda.

The Vancouver Canucks give us a run for our money, but even though we`ve drafted *far* better than them in toto, I think we`ve got the edge on wasted 1st picks:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr000039.html