Commandant Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Just because the team is unlikely to compete for the Cup, doesn't mean that making the playoffs has no value and we should dump everything. Playoff experience for young guys like Patches, Eller, Emelin, Diaz, White, Desharnais, and even Subban and Price has intangible value. I firmly believe that you have to lose before you can win in this league, and there is no substitute to experiencing the pressure cooker of the playoffs. It may not be measureable, but its real IMO. Now balancing the likelihood of making the playoffs, the value of your UFAs in trades, likeliness of re-signing value of the higher pick, these are all factors and something the GM has to assess. I just don't think you can really say that a first or second round loss has zero value to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I see nothing wrong with finishing 15th to get that top pick. Unless Montreal can Kessel someone. Since the lock out every team but the Wings has had at least 1 top 3 pick on their team. So unless the Habs can get the depth AND coaching ( English only coaching) the Wings have they need that top END potential hall of famer to get things done. Boston- Seguin Chicago - Kane Towes Pens- Crosby Malkin Fleury Staal Canes Stall Ducks - Pronger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Montreal - Price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 For the new third line/2b line, I really look at a team like Philly that has a window right now to go for all the marbles and may be willing to trade some of their young assets for the missing pieces - particularly trying to fill the loss of Pronger. They are loaded at center (Brierre, Couterieir, I think Giroux has been playing centre), so i wonder if Braydon Schenn would be available. If their PP struggles from the point, maybe we could snag him for a pacakge that includes a Kaberle and Cammy, if we take some money back. Not sure how much cap space they have in addition to the room from Pronger being out, but I see a potential to get Schenn by offering a guy like Cammy who has done well in the playoffs and a PP specialist like Kaberle or a PK specialist like Gill. While Schenn is not Malkin big, but he should fill out to be 200lb and is over 6 feet and looked pretty good in the world juniors - lots of speed and skill. I agree with hab29RETIRED, the firing of JM and replacing him with RC will not save the season. Actually, I think it will make thing worse because PG didn't give RC enought itme to prepare. I expect the current trip will be disastrous and the team will miss the playoffs. With Martin, the team would have stayed afloat and it would have picked up when Markov and other injured players return... but too late to dwell in what-ifs. I think we need a third line, to compete. We also need a good stay at home third pairing defense: Pacioretty-Plekanec-Cole Desharnais-Eller-Kostitsyn (New third line) Moen/Blunden-Nokelainen-White Markov-Georges Yemelim-Subban (New Defense)-Diaz/Weber what would these guy get us: Cammalleri, Gomez, Gionta, Kaberle, Campoli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 I think we are going to see pretty significant changes this off season. We will have a new GM and we will have a new coach. With those new individuals we are going to see a roster built on the style of play that these people preach. Because of that I think it is impossible to say what this team will look like however if it was up to me it would be as follows: Center Plekanec and Eller would be returning. Gomez would be traded or bought out if nobody is willing to take a $5 million player with a $7.4 million cap hit. Desharnais would be transposed into a left winger this season when people come back but if it is a failed experiment then I would let him go. Left Wing Pacioretty, Moen will be returning. Cammalleri will be traded at some point this season for either a younger roster player or a prospect. Darche is gone. Right Wing Cole, Gionta, White will all be returning. Kostitsyn althoiugh I have always liked would be shown the door. Left Defense: Markov, Emelin, Kaberle would all be returning. Right Defense Subban, Gorges, Diaz would be returning. This leaves a hole with our #6 /7 guy. Campoli is dealt at this trade deadline, Weber is traded ASAP. Diaz would personally be my #7 d-man. The loss of Gomez, Cammalleri, Gill, etc.... would allow us some cap flexibility to get better. Players I would target: Chris Kelly 3rd line center. Johnny Boychuk 3rd D-pairing Paul Gaustad 4th line center David Moss 3rd line center Jay McClement 4th line center Brandon Yip 3rd line RW Jarred Stoll 3rd line center Jordan Tootoo 4th line RW matt Carkner 3rd D-pairing Shane Doan----fit him somewhere YOu've listed a lot of third line players that would be good to fill out the bottom half of the roster, but I'd really like to pick up a centre that can concivebly be a 1a/1b/2a type of centre and as i've said earlier, I think Braydan Schenn is a guy I'd target for two reasons. First of all, I think the flyers have a real chance to go all they way and in those situations, teams sometime over pay in giving up a solid prospect, if they aren't losing an integral roster player. Secondly, the loss of Pronger may entice them to want a PK specialist like Gill or a PP specialist like Kaberle (if he continues to put up numbers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 I agree on carkner and boychuk they bring something we need size and hitting. plus carkner is tough and could be our policeman. Why would we dump kaberle ? he has played well i like all our d men but most of them are the same good with the puck and NOT physical. Campoli diaz gill just don't hit and if they do it is more of a bump. Kaberle is a player that has put of good numbers on bad teams, where there are no expectations. He really isn't a player who shown he can be clutch and IMO seemed to be too comfortable in a losing environment and seemed content to stay in that losing environment. I could live with him not being physical if he had shown a desire to at least win in the past. To me that is the most damning reason for moving him. I also agree on moving Campoli. He not only is soft, but makes way too many bag giveways in his own end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 A lot of ridiculous stuff is being said based on bad performances for the first third of this season. For instance, the idea that Cammy could not net any return other than a pick, or that Gionta is dead weight. Gio has been hamstrung by injuries and Cammy has been dogging it to get the coach fired. Kaberle, meanwhile, is still being punished in fans' minds because he struggled early in Carolina after showing up out of shape - apparently this is definitive and everlasting proof that he can never be an effective hockey player ever again. Despite 9 points in his last 7 games. I can't help but notice the double standard too. Many posters here still wish Muller or Boucher were coaching us. Yet Carolina has 2 wins in their last 11. Tampa, meanwhile, with exactly the kind of 'star power' that fans and 'tankers' see as the solution to all our ills, is three points behind the Habs. Fans are willing to extend Muller plenty of time to instil his system, apparently, and they are willing to forgive Boucher a dismal first third of the season - yet they've basically given up on Cunneyworth after two games. The FACT is if these guys were coaching us the same fans now pining for them would be calling for their scalps. Again: how about NOT calling for radical, franchise-altering decisions based on 30 games. Guess that's too wacky. Gionta has not earned his 5 million nor has Cammie earned his 6 million since they have been here. I don't mind that they are being paid that much, and I like both players when they are playing well, , but 5 million buys a 70 point guy, and 6 million buys a ppg or more. I wouldn't sign Cammie or Gio based on their last two years. I am not basing their value on the last two months. You would pay 5 million for a guy that got 46 points for two years? Gio's goal scoring has been good, so there may be a bit of value, but 46 points? You would pay 6 million for someone who couldn't break 50 points in his last 2 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 I agree with most of your posts and general point of view habs29. I do not agree for the most part with your opinion on this issue. Gionta is a serious competitor that chips in goals. He is certainly not the problem even considering his size. Kaberle is doing exactly what he is supposed to do. He HAS helped our PP and transition game despite his defensive shortcomings. He is miles above of Campoli. I have no idea why our coaches play AK the way they do, so I agree with you there. I mean what has he done to deserve so little minutes? Does he hit too much for this team's philosophy? My initial reaction to Cunneyworth is the same as yours - A JM clone. He does deserve some time before that label though. I would be willing to trade anyone except Price, including Subban for the right person coming back. I do not think that we are at the "blow it up" stage yet though. If we are out of the playoffs at the deadline then trade some people for assets but don't rape the roster. Oh, i don't think you start trading guys now, or in January, you are going to maximize value closer to the deadline. So i would wait until then. BUt PG has to try and create a market. He needs to try and drive the price for his players up, the way Burke was able to drive the value up for Kaberle. As for Gionta, I really like his competitiveness, but don't like his salary, or the years remaining on his contract. Having said that, I don't think you move him without getting good value. I think teams going for it all may want someone with the cup rings and leadership. I see the kings a good fit and how knows, if we could snag a big dman like Johnson in a package that included Gionta, I'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 I don't dispute the value of Playoff experience. But what did the good did the playoff experience do us when we knocked off the Bruins, with the miracle run with Theodore and Kovolev??? IF we continue to be a bubble playoff team scraping in each year, who cares about playoff experience. Worrying about playoff experience is great if you are a team that consistently finishes in the top 5 in your conference, but if you are one of the teams scraping in each year, I'd first try and put together a lineup that will get INTO the playoffs. Getting in will be even harder next year, with only 4 teams from each conference making it. We have to beat out Boston, Tampa (will be tough, once they get themselves a goalie), Buffalo (have an owner willing to spend), Toronto (slowly getting better), Florida (provide an example of what you can do over the summer by having cap space) and Ottawa (improved a lot more then most expected). Once we have a team that should be a top two in the conference, I'll be worried about playoff experience. Just because the team is unlikely to compete for the Cup, doesn't mean that making the playoffs has no value and we should dump everything. Playoff experience for young guys like Patches, Eller, Emelin, Diaz, White, Desharnais, and even Subban and Price has intangible value. I firmly believe that you have to lose before you can win in this league, and there is no substitute to experiencing the pressure cooker of the playoffs. It may not be measureable, but its real IMO. Now balancing the likelihood of making the playoffs, the value of your UFAs in trades, likeliness of re-signing value of the higher pick, these are all factors and something the GM has to assess. I just don't think you can really say that a first or second round loss has zero value to the team. Montreal - Price Price was not a top 3 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 Precisely my issue with the big Gainey rebuild of 2009. We not only gave away a stud prospect for a washed out overpaid bum in Gomez (who some on this forum were overjoyed of getting) and two guys who's current teams at the time offered $1M (Gionta) and $1.5M (Cammy) less then what the habs offered. Gionta said, Lou told him to take the offer from the Habs, because there was no way he could come close in term or dollars. Based on his production, GIonta is a $3.5-$4M player. Cammy, even during his first year, was a $4.5M player and now isn't even that. I think Cammy is capable of scoring 35-45 goals with a guy like Crosby. Gionta has not earned his 5 million nor has Cammie earned his 6 million since they have been here. I don't mind that they are being paid that much, and I like both players when they are playing well, , but 5 million buys a 70 point guy, and 6 million buys a ppg or more. I wouldn't sign Cammie or Gio based on their last two years. I am not basing their value on the last two months. You would pay 5 million for a guy that got 46 points for two years? Gio's goal scoring has been good, so there may be a bit of value, but 46 points? You would pay 6 million for someone who couldn't break 50 points in his last 2 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 They are loaded at center (Brierre, Couterieir, I think Giroux has been playing centre), so i wonder if Braydon Schenn would be available. If their PP struggles from the point, maybe we could snag him for a pacakge that includes a Kaberle and Cammy, if we take some money back. Not sure how much cap space they have in addition to the room from Pronger being out, but I see a potential to get Schenn by offering a guy like Cammy who has done well in the playoffs and a PP specialist like Kaberle or a PK specialist like Gill. While Schenn is not Malkin big, but he should fill out to be 200lb and is over 6 feet and looked pretty good in the world juniors - lots of speed and skill. The Flyers, with having had a whopping 6 players on LTIR this season (Pronger, Betts, Laperriere, Gustafsson, Lilja, and Schenn) have less than $1.4 million in cap space. Suffice it to say, they will have no interest whatsoever in picking up someone with more than double Schenn's cap hit (as a good chunk of his bonuses have already expired)...plus Kaberle and his $4.25 mil. And considering what they dealt to get Schenn (as the centrepiece), he's probably an untouchable at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 Are you sure they don't have more cap room?? Both on TSN lamd Eliotte Friedman's column, I read that the Flyers are going to have close to $5M for Pronger alone, but were probably going to wait and see how their current Dman fill the role and also wait to see if there is a chance that the Preds will want to move either Suter or Weber at the trade deadline. I wouldn't mind trying to take a bad contract back (if Molson was willing to buy-it out), or if it expires after this year, the same way that BUrke took on Lombardi's contract in the Fransen trade. I agree that Schenn would be considered an untouchable. HOwever, if they think they have a serious shot at the cup and can get a proven playoff performer like Cammy and defensive help, they might be willing to move him. The Flyers have always been one team that thinks out of the box and has dealt with cap consequences later. As an aside, they also have no issue with signing guys long-term and then dumping them for assets (see Roenick to LA and Carter/Richards). When i suggested signing and trading guys a few years back, everyone here was up in arms that players wouldn't want to play in montreal if management resorted to those tactics - it hasn't prevented the flyers from landing prized free agents!! The Flyers, with having had a whopping 6 players on LTIR this season (Pronger, Betts, Laperriere, Gustafsson, Lilja, and Schenn) have less than $1.4 million in cap space. Suffice it to say, they will have no interest whatsoever in picking up someone with more than double Schenn's cap hit (as a good chunk of his bonuses have already expired)...plus Kaberle and his $4.25 mil. And considering what they dealt to get Schenn (as the centrepiece), he's probably an untouchable at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Gionta has not earned his 5 million nor has Cammie earned his 6 million since they have been here. I don't mind that they are being paid that much, and I like both players when they are playing well, , but 5 million buys a 70 point guy, and 6 million buys a ppg or more. I wouldn't sign Cammie or Gio based on their last two years. I am not basing their value on the last two months. You would pay 5 million for a guy that got 46 points for two years? Gio's goal scoring has been good, so there may be a bit of value, but 46 points? You would pay 6 million for someone who couldn't break 50 points in his last 2 years? Wait 5 million should be 70 pts and 6 million should be a ppg or more? Summer Spending. Ville Leino 4.5 million - 53 pts (only one good season in his career). Brooks Laich 4.5 million - 48, 59, 53 pts over his last three years Tim Connolly 4.75 million - 42, 65, 47, 40 pts over his last 4 years. Is a major injury risk Erik Cole 4.5 million - 52 pts; 16 (1/2 season); 42 pts; 51 pts last 4 years Brad Richards got one of those cap hit reducing contracts... cap hit 6.67 million.... actual salary 12 million, 12 million, 9 mill, 8.5mill, 8.5mill, 7mill, and then 1 million for each of the last 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 I wish the habs would sign those lower cap hit salaries to lock up Price and Subban the way the Blackhawks have locked up their young stars. Bringing up other teams lousy salaries don't make our's any better!! What about the Sedin's at $6.1M each - roughly same salary as Cammy. Vanek at $7.2M - roughly same salary as Gomez. Seleane at $4M - less then Gionta. Gaborik at $7.5M - Gainey allowed the Rangers to be able to sign him with the idiotic Gomez trade. Franzen - $3.9M Fleischman - $4.5M - less then Gionta Ray Whitney - $3M If we are going to a top team, we need to have better production from our top guys. How good is washington doing with that Laich contract?? At least Buffalo is getting value on the Pomminville and Vanek deals, even if Leino sucks. The NYR's were willing to eat mistakes like Redden or unload loser bums like Gomez to suckers like Gainey (Sather himself said he never expected that he would be able to get McDonough - which is pretty Damning indictment of his competence!! Wait 5 million should be 70 pts and 6 million should be a ppg or more? Summer Spending. Ville Leino 4.5 million - 53 pts (only one good season in his career). Brooks Laich 4.5 million - 48, 59, 53 pts over his last three years Tim Connolly 4.75 million - 42, 65, 47, 40 pts over his last 4 years. Is a major injury risk Erik Cole 4.5 million - 52 pts; 16 (1/2 season); 42 pts; 51 pts last 4 years Brad Richards got one of those cap hit reducing contracts... cap hit 6.67 million.... actual salary 12 million, 12 million, 9 mill, 8.5mill, 8.5mill, 7mill, and then 1 million for each of the last 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Just because the team is unlikely to compete for the Cup, doesn't mean that making the playoffs has no value and we should dump everything. Playoff experience for young guys like Patches, Eller, Emelin, Diaz, White, Desharnais, and even Subban and Price has intangible value. I firmly believe that you have to lose before you can win in this league, and there is no substitute to experiencing the pressure cooker of the playoffs. It may not be measureable, but its real IMO. Now balancing the likelihood of making the playoffs, the value of your UFAs in trades, likeliness of re-signing value of the higher pick, these are all factors and something the GM has to assess. I just don't think you can really say that a first or second round loss has zero value to the team. I agree with you, for a team on the way up. We are a team on the way down. First, sell and flesh out our core. Then drive for playoff experience. Then win the cup. Hey, even if we dump a bunch of vets at the deadline, we might still sneak in with the parity. I just don't want to sacrifice the building of the team for a round in the playoffs. Not only that, many of the guys you mentioned have that experience. What they need now is a better team around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaboom Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I agree with you, for a team on the way up. We are a team on the way down. First, sell and flesh out our core. Then drive for playoff experience. Then win the cup. Hey, even if we dump a bunch of vets at the deadline, we might still sneak in with the parity. I just don't want to sacrifice the building of the team for a round in the playoffs. Not only that, many of the guys you mentioned have that experience. What they need now is a better team around them. I see it the other way we have a lot of upside A.K DD LL Eller Patches Subban Emelin Diaz Price. these guy's are all young or fairly young. this is not including the good players we have that are older. I see a lot of promise for this team and i see no need to blow it up and i believe we will turn it around. Ask yourself did u think this was a cup team before we played game number one of the season? i so no we were not but getting there. In my opinion we need markov and gio back bad. and add a number one center and two big hard hitting d men and we are right there with every other great team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Yeah, I don't really get the 'team on the way down' argument. It's not as though our team is chock-full of veterans hopelessly past their prime - is it? Are we writing off Gionta because he's been injured this season? Do you really think Cammy is done and that this season is 100% representative of his capabilities going forward? Is Cole washed up? Plekanec, done at 29? Other than the mysterious case of Gomez, and the seemingly ruined Markov, where is the evidence of a team past its prime? Myself, I see a mix of quality vets and quality youth. The question is whether we can put it together in the wake of this disastrous first 3rd of a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I wish the habs would sign those lower cap hit salaries to lock up Price and Subban the way the Blackhawks have locked up their young stars. Bringing up other teams lousy salaries don't make our's any better!! What about the Sedin's at $6.1M each - roughly same salary as Cammy. Vanek at $7.2M - roughly same salary as Gomez. Seleane at $4M - less then Gionta. Gaborik at $7.5M - Gainey allowed the Rangers to be able to sign him with the idiotic Gomez trade. Franzen - $3.9M Fleischman - $4.5M - less then Gionta Ray Whitney - $3M If we are going to a top team, we need to have better production from our top guys. How good is washington doing with that Laich contract?? At least Buffalo is getting value on the Pomminville and Vanek deals, even if Leino sucks. The NYR's were willing to eat mistakes like Redden or unload loser bums like Gomez to suckers like Gainey (Sather himself said he never expected that he would be able to get McDonough - which is pretty Damning indictment of his competence!! Here's the thing... all that stuff is talking about the past. If you notice my post, I specifically looked at deals signed in the summer of 2011. Why? Because if we dump Gionta and/or Cammalleri as has been suggested they need to be replaced. The suggestions for replacing them is via UFA. The Selanne and Whitney deals are for 38 and 39 year old players. I don't think they really factor into the equation here. If the premise is a dump and rebuild, we aren't looking at those guys. The contracts that the Sedins got, that Franzen got, they are irrelevant to building this team into the future. Inflation has happened, and will continue to happen. You aren't dipping into the the 2008 or 2009 FA market... you are looking at the 2012 one. And what players signed for in 2011 will have far more impact. If you dump Gionta tomorrow, you get 5 million dollars to spend in the summer. What will you be able to purchase for 5 million? A 50-55 pt guy. Sure, Gionta is injured right now and has not played well this year, but he's also been our leading goal scorer for the last two seasons. For 5 million do you really think you can do better. Consider also that Montreal always has to pay a premium to get FAs. This is the reality of a higher tax rate, the toughest media market in hockey, the french/english bullshit that we are now seeing in a coaching change, the laws forcing your children to go to a French School if you move them here, etc... etc... Its the reality, and everytime someone signs in Montreal, whether it was Houle, Savard, Gainey, or Gauthier doing the contract we have always complained about overpayment. So the question remains... for 5 million dollars, do you really think you can improve on Gionta? Edit: I missed one of those contracts... I admit Fleischmann is a steal, but he was cheap due to some serious health complications. It was a risk, and good on Dale Tallon for what looks like the steal of the summer. Right now when we assess the summer signings, in terms of value for dollar i think Fleisch, Ian White, and Erik Cole are the top three. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I agree with you, for a team on the way up. We are a team on the way down. First, sell and flesh out our core. Then drive for playoff experience. Then win the cup. Hey, even if we dump a bunch of vets at the deadline, we might still sneak in with the parity. I just don't want to sacrifice the building of the team for a round in the playoffs. Not only that, many of the guys you mentioned have that experience. What they need now is a better team around them. I mentionned the guys who need the experience... the core of our team going forward and the guys on the way up. Price, Subban, Eller, Pacioretty, Desharnais, White, Diaz, Emelin, Weber... heck the playoff experience would probably do Louis Leblanc some good as well. Guys like Palushaj are also likely to be up with the team (even if not playing) as the Bulldogs don't look to be making the playoffs this year. This experience will be valuable. How valuable? How likely to make the playoffs? What is the value we can get for dumping guys? How much higher would we draft? These are all questions to ask in February when we see the standings then. But I think there is some value to this team. You just have to assess how much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaboom Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Habs29 I like some of your points and i feel your frustration as i think we all are and we can all agree we need a few changes to this team. Lets hope R.C gets them rolling and we get on a winning streak and all will be well. And tonight is a new start to our winning ways!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Are you sure they don't have more cap room?? Both on TSN lamd Eliotte Friedman's column, I read that the Flyers are going to have close to $5M for Pronger alone, but were probably going to wait and see how their current Dman fill the role and also wait to see if there is a chance that the Preds will want to move either Suter or Weber at the trade deadline. I wouldn't mind trying to take a bad contract back (if Molson was willing to buy-it out), or if it expires after this year, the same way that BUrke took on Lombardi's contract in the Fransen trade. I agree that Schenn would be considered an untouchable. HOwever, if they think they have a serious shot at the cup and can get a proven playoff performer like Cammy and defensive help, they might be willing to move him. The Flyers have always been one team that thinks out of the box and has dealt with cap consequences later. The $1.4 million is a snapshot of where things are now. Obviously, $1.4 million in space buys more later than it does now (less days left in the season to amortize the space closer to the trade deadline). I think when all is said and done (banking on there continuing to be more injuries which has been common for them this year), they'll be able to add about a $3-3.5 million player. Now if other bonuses elapse (Bobrovsky made have some unhittable ones as the season goes on since he's a backup), then they may have a bit more but I'd call $5 million probably a little too optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 At trade deadline, you decide where you are. You have to be realistic about your chances going forward this year; if that scenerio is not rosy you put your assets into subsequent years. Most clubs that make the playoffs will not be willing to give you any good players because they want to add to their own assets. Your expectations therefore should be prospects and picks. Habs 29retired isn't far off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I get the feeling someone just wants to play NHL 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 YOu've listed a lot of third line players that would be good to fill out the bottom half of the roster, but I'd really like to pick up a centre that can concivebly be a 1a/1b/2a type of centre and as i've said earlier, I think Braydan Schenn is a guy I'd target for two reasons. First of all, I think the flyers have a real chance to go all they way and in those situations, teams sometime over pay in giving up a solid prospect, if they aren't losing an integral roster player. Secondly, the loss of Pronger may entice them to want a PK specialist like Gill or a PP specialist like Kaberle (if he continues to put up numbers). I want a to see a GM and a coach impose an up tempo in your face style of play. Don;t shoot the messenger here but there have been many comments this week that the current roster is out of shape. Cunneyworth has focused his first full practice skating hard. This is what I want to see. I want to see a really efficient shut down 3rd line and a high tempo high energy 4th line. Both of these lines however would be bigger players who can create momentum with a thunderous hit. Get a solid bottom 2 and it all of a sudden creates room for the top 2. My hypothetical world I would do this if I could 3 Trades: 1) Hal Gill traded to Chicago in exchange for Viktor Stahlberg 2) Yannick Weber traded St.Louis Blues for a 3rd rounder or something. 3) Cammalleri dealt to LA Kings in exchange for Dustin Penner and a 1st round pick. For the balance of this season I would go with a roster along the lines of: Pacioretty-Plekanec-Cole Penner-Desharnais-Gionta Stahlberg-Eller-Kostitsyn Moen-Nokelainen-White Darche/Gomez Markov-Gorges Kaberle-Subban Emelin/Diaz/Campoli You then let Campoli, Darche, Penner, Nokelainen, Kostitsyn all walk away at seasons end and then re-tool with the added cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I want a to see a GM and a coach impose an up tempo in your face style of play. Don;t shoot the messenger here but there have been many comments this week that the current roster is out of shape. Cunneyworth has focused his first full practice skating hard. This is what I want to see. I want to see a really efficient shut down 3rd line and a high tempo high energy 4th line. Both of these lines however would be bigger players who can create momentum with a thunderous hit. Get a solid bottom 2 and it all of a sudden creates room for the top 2. My hypothetical world I would do this if I could 3 Trades: 1) Hal Gill traded to Chicago in exchange for Viktor Stahlberg 2) Yannick Weber traded St.Louis Blues for a 3rd rounder or something. 3) Cammalleri dealt to LA Kings in exchange for Dustin Penner and a 1st round pick. For the balance of this season I would go with a roster along the lines of: Pacioretty-Plekanec-Cole Penner-Desharnais-Gionta Stahlberg-Eller-Kostitsyn Moen-Nokelainen-White Darche/Gomez Markov-Gorges Kaberle-Subban Emelin/Diaz/Campoli You then let Campoli, Darche, Penner, Nokelainen, Kostitsyn all walk away at seasons end and then re-tool with the added cap space. I like the trades, but would you let Kosty go? I think Kosty has proven himself this year and is going for a 30 goal season even with our slow start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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