BlueKross Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 There is a reason that the buyouts start at the end of season. The 64 and some cap is really an arbitrary number and it may be 1215 before they get a good indication where revenues will be. It is quite possible that the NHL was closer to the real number. It is quite possible that in the subsequent year that the cap will have to go down dramatically again.I would leave my options open as long as I could to get a good look at the landscape. A guy like Gomez with one year left on his contract and the option of buyouts, who knows may become marketable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 There is a reason that the buyouts start at the end of season. The 64 and some cap is really an arbitrary number and it may be 1215 before they get a good indication where revenues will be. It is quite possible that the NHL was closer to the real number. It is quite possible that in the subsequent year that the cap will have to go down dramatically again.I would leave my options open as long as I could to get a good look at the landscape. A guy like Gomez with one year left on his contract and the option of buyouts, who knows may become marketable. From what I understand, the cap can never go below $64.3m over the life of the contract. Which means if there is a revenue shortfall the players escrow will be higher. Frankly I think by year 3 of the deal we are looking at a higher cap. I think sponsorship/advertising revenues are going to be more at risk than gate revenues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 How to get your NHL Fix, while minimizing revenue given to NHL/NHLPA and putting it in pockets of those hit hard by the lockout. http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/01/07/nhl-happy-hour-how-to-protest-the-nhl-now-that-the-lockout-is-over/'>http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/01/07/nhl-happy-hour-how-to-protest-the-nhl-now-that-the-lockout-is-over/ Buy NHL jerseys from China. I picked up 5 habs jerseys during a business trip to Shanghai. Lettered and numbered, came out to $25 apiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 There is a reason that the buyouts start at the end of season. The 64 and some cap is really an arbitrary number and it may be 1215 before they get a good indication where revenues will be. It is quite possible that the NHL was closer to the real number. It is quite possible that in the subsequent year that the cap will have to go down dramatically again.I would leave my options open as long as I could to get a good look at the landscape. A guy like Gomez with one year left on his contract and the option of buyouts, who knows may become marketable. The cap is guaranteed to be no lower than 64.3. If revenues don't reach that amount, the escrow will be higher but the cap can never be lower than 64.3. This was done so that the UFAs and RFAs from now and next summer won't take a disproportionate share of the burden that is caused by dropping revenues from 57-50 and will instead be spread across all players via the escrow. Buy NHL jerseys from China. I picked up 5 habs jerseys during a business trip to Shanghai. Lettered and numbered, came out to $25 apiece. I've seen a ton of them from China... they look like shit. Even things that people have called the best fakes I can pick out of a crowd. I've got a really big jersey collection, and its one of my obsessions. I won't be adding to that collection for a while though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 The cap is guaranteed to be no lower than 64.3. If revenues don't reach that amount, the escrow will be higher but the cap can never be lower than 64.3. This was done so that the UFAs and RFAs from now and next summer won't take a disproportionate share of the burden that is caused by dropping revenues from 57-50 and will instead be spread across all players via the escrow. I've seen a ton of them from China... they look like shit. Even things that people have called the best fakes I can pick out of a crowd. I've got a really big jersey collection, and its one of my obsessions. I won't be adding to that collection for a while though... I agree they don't look as the real jerseys, but I'm not spending a dime on the NHL, with the exception of habs tickets, when I'm on a business trip. I had picked up a new jersrey last year that I was going to get Subban's name on, it's going to remain blank now. The for the numbering and letters would be 4 times what paid for the Chinese jerseys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Buy NHL jerseys from China. I picked up 5 habs jerseys during a business trip to Shanghai. Lettered and numbered, came out to $25 apiece. Let me guess: -Gomez -Kaberle -Ribeiro -Kovalev -Laraque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Let me guess: -Gomez -Kaberle -Ribeiro -Kovalev -Laraque Good guess Subban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Let me guess: -Gomez -Kaberle -Ribeiro -Kovalev -Laraque Good guess . They actualy did have Gomez and kovalev and I actually didn't mind kovy, until his last year. I was just pissed gainey chose him over koivu for the guy he wanted to keep. That was another gainey bullet we dodged that year (along with Vinny's contract).The jerseys I got were: Subban Price Richard Cole Markov Wanted to get a Belivieau, but they didn't have my size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Good guess . They actualy did have Gomez and kovalev and I actually didn't mind kovy, until his last year. I was just pissed gainey chose him over koivu for the guy he wanted to keep. That was another gainey bullet we dodged that year (along with Vinny's contract). The jerseys I got were: Subban Price Richard Cole Markov Wanted to get a Belivieau, but they didn't have my size. I real fan would either diet or fatten up to fit the size they have... I guess we should consider you a casual fan from now on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Since you guys/gals seem to have an inside look at whats in the new CBA; did they do anything around waivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Since you guys/gals seem to have an inside look at whats in the new CBA; did they do anything around waivers? The last I heard about waivers, re-entry waivers were to be eliminated. Beyond that, the eligibility criteria I believe remains the same. Something else I know you'll be interested with as well, the 4-recall rule was getting tweaked the last time word about that leaked. The PA was proposing a cap of 4 non-emergency recalls on the roster at any given time after the trade deadline but that there was no to be no limit on the total amount of recalls. Whether that got into the final document I'm not sure (no one seems to be reporting on it) but I'm hopeful that's in there, it's a good change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Nice to see people chirping at hab29 again. Good to be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Since you guys/gals seem to have an inside look at whats in the new CBA; did they do anything around waivers? No more re-entry waivers for players who count against the cap while in the minors.... I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Glad to see our boys will be back soon. I'm also very happy to hear the Habs will be allowed to buy out 2 players. No matter how good Gomer plays, you know he'll be the first to be bought out. We'll need the cap space, cause Subban ain't gonna be cheap! No matter what Galchenyuk does during training camp, i think he'd be better off finishing his season in Sarnia. Let him dominate the OHL for a full season. There's no need to rush him to the NHL. Look what happened the last time we did that (Latendresse). I know Galchenyuk has alot more talent then Tenderness but I still see no reason to rush him. This kid looks like he's the real deal. Let's be patient. I would also like to see Subban signed to a long term deal (5 or 6 years). We need Subban...more than Markov. The Kid is a work horse. Lastly, let's hope Carey Price will have a great season. He is our biggest hope for making the playoffs. If Price has a good year, we're in, if not, then it'll be another long summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I real fan would either diet or fatten up to fit the size they have... I guess we should consider you a casual fan from now on... I've worked my butt iff to lose 30lbs ovr the past year - not interested in fattening up to fit in a cheap jersey!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I've worked my butt iff to lose 30lbs ovr the past year - not interested in fattening up to fit in a cheap jersey!! As I said... Casual fan... Didn't even buy good jerseys. Rofl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Another CBA tidbit regarding the 'cap benefit recapture:' I was under the impression that this would be a retroactive application after a player retires that could yield current year penalties. Evidently, I was wrong. It appears it's more like this as per Elliotte Friedman on TSN Radio earlier: (using Roberto Luongo's contract as an example) Sum of salary paid since contract signed: $16,716,000 Sum of cap hit since contract signed: $10,666,666 Total cap benefit since contract signed on a per-year basis: $3,024,667 If Vancouver were to trade Luongo now, that ~$3 M would be liable to come onto Vancouver's books whenever Luongo retires (I would presume up until the number of years that the cap benefit existed - in this case, 2, but that's just me speculating). Also, another waiver change, 24 hour dispatch period any day of the week. Previously it was 48 hours on weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Another CBA tidbit regarding the 'cap benefit recapture:' I was under the impression that this would be a retroactive application after a player retires that could yield current year penalties. Evidently, I was wrong. It appears it's more like this as per Elliotte Friedman on TSN Radio earlier: (using Roberto Luongo's contract as an example) Sum of salary paid since contract signed: $16,716,000 Sum of cap hit since contract signed: $10,666,666 Total cap benefit since contract signed on a per-year basis: $3,024,667 If Vancouver were to trade Luongo now, that ~$3 M would be liable to come onto Vancouver's books whenever Luongo retires (I would presume up until the number of years that the cap benefit existed - in this case, 2, but that's just me speculating). Also, another waiver change, 24 hour dispatch period any day of the week. Previously it was 48 hours on weekends. So does this also apply for Gomez? If we trade him at the end of the year, rather then buy him out (lets for humour's sake he has a good year and can be moved), do the NYR take part of the cap hit benefit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 So does this also apply for Gomez? If we trade him at the end of the year, rather then buy him out (lets for humour's sake he has a good year and can be moved), do the NYR take part of the cap hit benefit? The cap hit benefit comes into play when the player retires from what I understood. In Gomez's case, his contract will expire before he retires so no. Also, I believe this only applies to trades moving forward, not ones made prior to the CBA. This is total speculation here but I wonder if the rule would also apply to buyouts. If so, the Habs would, in theory*, be liable as there were 3 years where his salary exceeded his cap hit; as a result the sum of salary paid would be slightly higher than the total cap hit. (* - Again, as it's only 1 year and he's not going to be retiring next season, it's all theoretical but it could apply to other deals down the road - Hossa, Luongo, Ehrhoff, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Turns out I was close on trying to transcribe the cap benefit (I was working on a few things on the site and literally scribbling down the numbers as they came). Here's an article that better describes the rules: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/01/new-cba-doesnt-hurt-roberto-luongo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 More CBA info (including retaining salary/cap hit in trades, buyouts, and a pre-July 1 UFA negotiation period): http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/21219/trades-cheat-deals-and-more-cba-details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 More lockout tidbits regarding cap stuff, courtesy of CapGeek. Two-way contracts with a minor league salary below $900,000 (and I don't think I've ever seen a two-way deal with an AHL salary that high) are exempt from the cap. Basically, players on two-way deals (most are ELC's anyways) won't count. One-way contracts that are buried in the minors are charged the full rate less $900,000. This also applies to sending players overseas and will be annexed with the minimum salary changes. So to answer the inevitable questions, if the Habs wanted to bury a player in the AHL (Gomez or Kaberle are the popular options), they would save only $900,000 on the cap this season. (Calculated as cap hit less [$375,000 plus league minimum which is $525,000 this year].) Petteri Nokelainen, who has a salary less than $900,000, should be cap exempt if the Habs were to farm him out whenever his back woes subside. Other stuff that I'm coming across that could be of interest: - Minimum salary will stay at $525k this year, to rise to $750k by 2021. It will rise starting next year and will go up every second year after that, here is the breakdown: 2013-14/2014-15: $550,000 2015-16/2016-17: $575,000 2017-18/2018-19: $650,000 2019-20/2020-21: $700,000 2021-22 and beyond: $750,000 - Retained money via trades cannot exceed 15% of the Upper Limit - and a team can pay no more than three players not to pay for them.- The upper limit and floor will be determined from 15% of the 'adjusted midpoint' instead of $8 M above and below as before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Andrei Kostitsyn has been invited to the Florida Panthers camp. Alex Kovalev has been rumoured for invitations to Columbus, Florida and New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Kovalev is going to panthers camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Kovalev is going to panthers camp Kovalev, Kostitsyn, and Marek svatos all invited to camp. Its a new big 3 of enigmatic, lazy forwards. When does Kovalev have the press conference about taking his talents to South Beach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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