PMAC Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 There are still some "experts" who are claim that the Habs hot start is a mirage--they might be right, but I don't think so. Consider that Les Habitant have the best record in the league-- with what was a non-existent power play and with their superstar defenseman looking ordinary. I think they still have another gear. Given the hectic schedule, I would like to see Gonchar get a rest and Bowman get a chance to play. Unfortunately, my crystal ball is a little cloudy for the next couple of games, but I think that we will see a strong effort from the team regardless of result. I also see no reason why the winning streak can't continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Subban appears to be coming out of his early season funk by keeping it simple. Look out if he takes his game to another level this as the season progresses. Would like to see those big hits come back into his game. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Why? Only the hits, not the misses. (or worse yet, the hits into our own players.) I can understand this... between Subban and Emelin, opposing players have to be terrified crossing the MTL blue-line with the puck. I like that fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 Our hot start was a mirage. The team was lucky in a lot of those wins. Ever since the Blackhawks drubbing, I think we're starting to see the real team. As Damphousse put it, the dead weight was dropped and now the team is soaring. I actually like the 11F/7D setup right now. I don't think it's really being used properly yet (Beaulieu needs more minutes while Markov/Gonchar's minutes need to be cut down) but I think playing around with who Malhotra and Weise plays with ensures a better defensive line. It also utilizes Weise better for him to get to burn down the wing with Pacioretty's line once in a while and then switch it up to with Plekanecs and then play again with Malhotra and a different left winger. Malhotra can now win an offensive zone faceoff for us with Galchenyuk and Gallagher to his wing and Markov/Subban on defence and by the time the team establishes their puck control, Malhotra can either get off the ice or contribute. Since losing 5-0, Montreal has scored 23 goals. Montreal had only scored 28 goals in the previous games before the winning streak. 28 goals in 13 games, 23 goals in 6 games. Big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 whats up with password recoveries? i asked for like 5 since thursday Check your spam folder - a lot of automated e-mails from here seem to find their way into spam for some reason. If it's not there, PM me and we'll go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Can I call it, or can I call it? Slow start--although not as bad as some: Check Better second period: Check Third period domination: Check Toskarski stones the Wings: Check Habs win: Check Gotta have faith, baby Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 There are still some "experts" who are claim that the Habs hot start is a mirage--they might be right, but I don't think so. Consider that Les Habitant have the best record in the league-- with what was a non-existent power play and with their superstar defenseman looking ordinary. I think they still have another gear. Given the hectic schedule, I would like to see Gonchar get a rest and Bowman get a chance to play. Unfortunately, my crystal ball is a little cloudy for the next couple of games, but I think that we will see a strong effort from the team regardless of result. I also see no reason why the winning streak can't continue. Ijust love quoting myself.... but I think the analogy of a misfiring engine applies to our earlier start. When the chips were down, and after sputtering and missing for a couple of periods, we put the foot to the floor and the big engine revved up to get the job done. Our playoff platinum coated plug, Borky... now Bourque..kept misfiring, making way for Sekac and we even have a PP specialist on board to go with the brilliantly monikered Subbang! So, a little lucky early on, but reflecting our potential. From this point on we are going to see the team we all hoped we'd see and we're going to have, good Lord willin' 'n the 'crik don't rise, a hell of a fun year. There'll be flat spots inevitably over an insane 82 game season, but we're in the race and making great strides. I have to take my hat off to MB and MT for the job they're doing so well with apparently one of the happiest and best rooms in the NHL. Gotta luv it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Only the hits, not the misses. (or worse yet, the hits into our own players.) I can understand this... between Subban and Emelin, opposing players have to be terrified crossing the MTL blue-line with the puck. I like that fear. But, is low % of 'hits' and he takes himself out of play too often. Or seems that way to me anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 But, is low % of 'hits' and he takes himself out of play too often. Or seems that way to me anyways. He's gotta be more conservative about them. I have nothing against the hits themselves. He just can't focus on the hits above the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 bergevin= golden right now..... for all its worth MB has traded briere, diaz, dejardins, moen and a 5th pick for paranteau, weise, tokarski, gonchar, weaver and a 5th.... thats amazing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Why? like the physical presence on the blue line. Watched Doughty lay out Benn the other night with a beautiful clean hard check. Subban is capable of that, so why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 But, is low % of 'hits' and he takes himself out of play too often. Or seems that way to me anyways. Yes he does............. and puck carrying Dmen give the puck away more than Dmen who dont carry the puck. Goes with the territory. As long as Subban or Emelin are selecting when to throw it, not taking themselves out of the play too often....then its worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Only the hits, not the misses. (or worse yet, the hits into our own players.) I can understand this... between Subban and Emelin, opposing players have to be terrified crossing the MTL blue-line with the puck. I like that fear. hits into our own players. yes! like the one in play offs (bruins) he intended to throw at Smith, missed and leveled Vanek who was making a heck of a back check. Vanek was down , almost out, went to the dark room for an extended period of time and was never the same after that. , that freak hit took a huge toll on Vanek I believe. Hey happens every now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Yes he does............. and puck carrying Dmen give the puck away more than Dmen who dont carry the puck. Goes with the territory. As long as Subban or Emelin are selecting when to throw it, not taking themselves out of the play too often....then its worth it. Emelin can hit anyone/anytime period, Subban does not have the size/strength, he needs to run at a player and basically blindside him to make a big hit. Two totally different-type d-men, not caparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Our hot start was a mirage. The team was lucky in a lot of those wins. Ever since the Blackhawks drubbing, I think we're starting to see the real team. As Damphousse put it, the dead weight was dropped and now the team is soaring. I actually like the 11F/7D setup right now. I don't think it's really being used properly yet (Beaulieu needs more minutes while Markov/Gonchar's minutes need to be cut down) but I think playing around with who Malhotra and Weise plays with ensures a better defensive line. It also utilizes Weise better for him to get to burn down the wing with Pacioretty's line once in a while and then switch it up to with Plekanecs and then play again with Malhotra and a different left winger. Malhotra can now win an offensive zone faceoff for us with Galchenyuk and Gallagher to his wing and Markov/Subban on defence and by the time the team establishes their puck control, Malhotra can either get off the ice or contribute. Since losing 5-0, Montreal has scored 23 goals. Montreal had only scored 28 goals in the previous games before the winning streak. 28 goals in 13 games, 23 goals in 6 games. Big difference. I don't think it is sustainable over a whole season, and we'll probably see an end to it once Bournival is healthy or Bergevin brings in real depth not named Drayson Bowman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Emelin can hit anyone/anytime period, Subban does not have the size/strength, he needs to run at a player and basically blindside him to make a big hit. Two totally different-type d-men, not caparable. Not comparing them. But both are capable of throwing the big hit , while risking get caught out of the play. I was only saying as long as they are conserving and picking their spots, I'll live with the odd miss that ends up giving the other team a scoring chance and/or goal. Fact that Subban and Emelin are not clones of each other is true, but irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Emelin can hit anyone/anytime period, Subban does not have the size/strength, he needs to run at a player and basically blindside him to make a big hit. Two totally different-type d-men, not caparable. PK is 6' even, and at 215lbs he's built like the proverbial brick ... you know. I also think, pound for pound, he's one of the physically strongest players in the NHL. Alexei Emelin is two inches taller, sure at 6'2", but he's actually not even a fancy dinner heavier than PK. I actually believe that height is a disadvantage, assuming two players of equal weight. Lower center of gravity is better for maintaining control/minimizing chance for injury in a collision; slightly shorter limbs make for more leverage/pressure. That's why Frankie Boo seemed so indestructable and powerful out there, despite being only 5'8", he was 200 lbs. (Not that I want him back. Age does catch up to people.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davehab Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I ######ing love it My favorite part about this is the expression on Desh's face..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 PK is 6' even, and at 215lbs he's built like the proverbial brick ... you know. I also think, pound for pound, he's one of the physically strongest players in the NHL. Alexei Emelin is two inches taller, sure at 6'2", but he's actually not even a fancy dinner heavier than PK. I actually believe that height is a disadvantage, assuming two players of equal weight. Lower center of gravity is better for maintaining control/minimizing chance for injury in a collision; slightly shorter limbs make for more leverage/pressure. That's why Frankie Boo seemed so indestructable and powerful out there, despite being only 5'8", he was 200 lbs. (Not that I want him back. Age does catch up to people.) Yes short is fine and guys like Brad Marchand can handle a Subban even though shorter. Why would you say Subban is lb for lb strongest, are one pile of NHLers? I wouldnt have a clue who is stronger lb for lb, Martin St. Louis or Chara. But I think even Emelin is stronger and similar poundage as Subban, or maybe Alexei just knows how to hit harder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Pound for pound I have no way of knowing who are "the strongest" players. All the players today train like never before, personal trainers, following well laid out programs that are geared for your position. They have it down to a science. They live in the gym when not on the ice. Who is the strongest? ha!.....I'll let my little little nephew split that hair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 Kasparitis used to throw the hardest check in hockey next to Stevens because he knew how to focus his speed better than anyone. That's why he hurt people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Yes short is fine and guys like Brad Marchand can handle a Subban even though shorter. Why would you say Subban is lb for lb strongest, are one pile of NHLers? I wouldnt have a clue who is stronger lb for lb, Martin St. Louis or Chara. But I think even Emelin is stronger and similar poundage as Subban, or maybe Alexei just knows how to hit harder? You can see it in him. Not just from the way he's built (Thick - without an apparent ounce of fat on him), but from how he plays -- the effortless strides that get him up to ridiculous speed, the easy way he muscles his way past holding and grabbing. He's hard for opponents to contain the way only strength can manage. Couple that with a determination and drive to succeed that is more evident than any other player I've ever watched. Maybe he's not actually the strongest, but he LOOKS that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm 5'11, 195 pounds and you can see in my profile pic that Subban is much larger than me. I can attest that he is indeed jacked, and that was a couple years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 hey illin like a villain, the fatboy photobombing you is bigger than both of you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 hey illin like a villain, the fatboy photobombing you is bigger than both of you! Lol, I buy a $200 plate at a charity dinner in hopes of meeting Subban, get the balls to go up to him and ask for a pic, and then that is what I got. Just my luck haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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