kw11habs Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 :hlogo: If Saku was to retire, we need to make some moves before any other teams know he's retiring to give us better value on the trade market. First it seems like Gagne wants out of Philly so go after him offer Ryder & Perezhogin, then sign E. Daze and also sign V. Kozlov both to 1 yr deals. Then move Bonk for a draft pick or prospect to free up more salary. Sign Gagne to a 4 yr deal between 22 & 24 mill. Then we look like this an all Russian line Kozlov, Kovalev, Samsonov and then an all french line Ribs, Gagne, Daze, an excellent third line of Plecanek, Higgins, Johnson and a fourth line of Grabovsky, Begin, Murray, Kostitsin and Downey. Kozlov played great in the Olympic's with Kovalev and he should come fairly cheap. If Ryder & Perezhogin ain't enough to get Gagne throw in what ever we get for Bonk. We would also be spending less money to give us more room under the cap when all is said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 A big trade for a legit #1 C will be absolutely necessary if Saks is permanently out of commission. Why or whether it would be this one beats me (Gagne and Daze not being C, after all). I wish people would stop drooling over Daze. Why not bring back Donald Audette while we're at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 A big trade for a legit #1 C will be absolutely necessary if Saks is permanently out of commission. Why or whether it would be this one beats me (Gagne and Daze not being C, after all). I wish people would stop drooling over Daze. Why not bring back Donald Audette while we're at it. I miss Petrov, personally.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Berezin too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umpalumpa55 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 First of all......i give all my hopes that koivu will be ready to play and he will play well. But, if he is not ready, or worse.....gulp...retires, i dont think we need to make any major moves. I personally think we have enough in our system to ice a winning team. My lineups would go as follows: Samsonov Ribeiro Kovalev Higgins Plekanec Ryder Perezhogin Grabovsky Kostitsyn Begin Bonk Murray The thing that has to be realized is that we CAN win with what we have. Koivu is obviously a big loss, but if the team, as it is, comes together as a group, we could do wonders. And i know the first thing someone is going to say is "Your a crack head.....ribeiro is never going to be a 1st line centre...blah blah blah" but i think the 4 centres we have there would do a great job. Grabovsky is my hopefull to make the team this year as the highlights i saw from the world championships last year were sensational...and, on the rush, he resembles the man who he tied (i think) in points in the tourney, one alex ovechkin. And no, im not saying hes as good as ovechkin, but brings the same dynamic to the offense, especially paired with bellarusian linemate kosty... and perezhogin is a 1st line player in my books when hes on his game. Plekanec in my regards is also ready to step up in a second line role, especially since hes a great passer and higgins and ryder do wonders putting the puck in the back of the net. The first line will do amazing.....thats all i have to say...dont doubt ribeiro, especially when he has the likes of .......dont make me say the names....on his right and left. And the 4th line will be a line that teams will not want to play against. Begin and murray will beat u up and bonk will....well.....stand there and take pictures hehehehe, kidding....i think bonk will step it up as well. In closing, all im trying to show is some optimism for what we already have. Its obvious gagne would bring alot to our team....but the chances of getting him are slim......and....who the hell is daze :?- hehehhee. GO HABS GO!!!!! IM COUNTING THE DAYS TILL PUCK DROP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitforming Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Not to jump on you because it all sounds good but it also sounds like an EA Sports solution to me. If Saku had to retire something would have to be done to remedy the problem but I highly doubt it would happen this season. There isn't another team in the league that wants/can give up a number on centre without hurting themselves let alone for a second line winger (Ryder) and a prospect (albeit a good one in Perezhogin). The answer would have to come from within, unfortunately. Also, if Bonk could be moved with his salary for a pick or prospect he would have been gone a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markierung Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 One word, CHIPCHURA this guy is gonna wear the C some day. He plays like gainey. Plecanec or grabovski have the creativity to some day replace koivu, but if chipchura comes up, we're a defensive rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) Any 'plan' that banks on an unproven rookie exploding into a major NHL first- or second-liner is no plan at all: it's just delusional fantasy. The FACT is that this team has no proven NHL-caliber centremen of high quality except Koivu. End of story. If some miracle happens and a rookie suddenly dominates, great, but short of divine intervention we will have to make a major deal to shore up the C position if Saks can't return. Edited September 10, 2006 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Ok everybody take a deeeep breath and repeat after me: 1. Saku will be fine 2. Daze is done and we dont want him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 If Saku's done, we're done... like dinner. Need proof? Game 3 of last year's series with the Canes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House11 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) If Saku can't return then i'd say sign Allison ... it won't cost us any players or prospects ... he's played with Samsanov before in Boston and Kovalev likes to hang onto the puck and slow the play down anyways so Allison's speed won't be a super issue ... also he did get 60 points in 64 games last season on the 2nd line in Toronto so he's still got the skill to play ... his health will be the issue Sami , Allison , Kovalev Higgins , Ribs , Ryder Perez , Pleck , Johnson Begin , Bonk , Downy Either that or move Bonk up to the 2nd line and see how he responds Sami , Ribs , Kovalev Higgins , Bonk , Ryder Perez , Pleck , Johnson Murray , Begin , Downy Edited September 10, 2006 by CaliHabsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Everybody chill, and stay away from the screwy trade/signing panic moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Just to throw in my 2 cents.. If Koivu can't go, Bonk takes his spot on the first line and is given at least Kovalev on his side, maybe Samsanov as well. That is, of course, a temporary solution, but Bonk has been a number one before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 where's Czerkawski these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 where's Czerkawski these days? HAHAH I know your kidding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Not to jump on you because it all sounds good but it also sounds like an EA Sports solution to me. My thoughts exactly. That's an awful lot of dominos that have to fall to make that happen. It's the great thing about being a fan, we can make all the trade suggestions we want. We sometimes forget that reality is much different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Plekanec is capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 http://www.canadiens.com/eng/news/redirect...newsItemID=5143 Doesnt sound anything like its a risk he will retire to me. He might just need to wait a few games but Im 100% sure he will be back. One thing we DO need for the next game against the canes is someone to mark Williams. Im not saying we should kill the guy but someone should give him a huge charging hit as quick as he enters the ice just to make him know we wont take it if he does something like this again... Komisarek, are you up for the task? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Forget Daze, he finished..... its over. Why are people so hung up on him? If Koivu retires its going to be a huge hit for the Habs. THere will be no effective way of replacing. Montreal simply cannnot go out and replace a first line centre. First off there are non available and second of all if there was (ie Gomez from New Jersey because of their cap situation) it would deplete Montreal's farm system to the point of it not being worth it. And what happens with the salary cap? When Malakov retired in New Jersey if f*ucked them royally as he still counted against the salary cap. If Koivu retires does his $4.75 Million per season still count against the cap over the next few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyhasbeen Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Well, If Saku was to retire, god forbid, then what you all seem to be overlooking, unless I missed something, is the cap room that opens up...We could take on a pretty good player with his salary plus remaining cap space, so stop worrying. 1st off he will be fine 2ndly if not we have depth 3rdly if needed we can buy a replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_Habs_Fan Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Everybody chill, and stay away from the screwy trade/signing panic moves. Exactly, no worries! It's the Comeback kid we're talking about. He will be fine! He played with worse things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsmith Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 If Koivu can't go, then we've got a ton of money under the cap. Someone who's in the last year of their contract will become available for a good prospect later in the season. We got Kovalev for Balej, and where's he? In the meantime, it's an opportunity to shake the lines up and give some of the young guns a limited-time opportunity to shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 (edited) From today's Gazette: Koivu underwent surgery to repair damage to his retina and his peripheral vision is limited as a result of the incident. "The blind spot is still there," said Koivu. "The good news is that it's not going to get any worse; the bad news is that it's not going to get any better." Koivu said it was still too early to say how the injury would affect his performance. "I've done some skating with the guys the past few days but nothing that's the same as game conditions," said Koivu. "I wish I could tell you more, but you'll have to wait three or four days and then I can give you a better idea." This guy is not going to get any better, then. He's permanently damaged. So we can stop hoping for a miracle. The remaining question is whether he can adjust and continue to play at the level of a #1 centre, or at least a #1A centre, which is what the Habs need him to do. And not to be a jerk about it, but if his game suffers as a result and he wants to keep playing - say as a #2 centre - we're still on the hook for his salary. So this could turn out to be a really serious problem in pure hockey terms, in a cap system. We might not be able to afford to pay for a bona fide #1 or #1A centreman under these circumstances. Edited September 15, 2006 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 i believe this quote means that Koivu does not believe his eye will get any better without surgery.... he is not saying that he is permanently debilitated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathieu30 Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 Koivu should do what's best for himself and his family ... even if it means retiring -Red Fisher, Montréal Gazette, 23/09/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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