hab29RETIRED Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I completely agree. Give me a 1-0 Cup boring winner than a 7-6 exciting loser any day of the week. I'm a Habs fan of the old school: WIN, G*DAMMIT. I could not give a flying piece of Kovalev-turd HOW they win. Just win. It really is one of the great mysteries in hockey history, how a coaching staff/management made up of the very best defensive players of two NHL generations somehow managed to produce a team that has been consistently mediocre in its own end!! I can think of only three explanations: 1. They fit the system - if there is one - to the players. You end up drafting a lot of speedy talented Euros, you end up playing a speedy talented game rather than a defensive one. 2. The players just aren't tough or good enough to play that game. 3. The players just don't listen - or at least didn't listen to Carbonneau. I forget whether Julien's team was any good in its own end. If it was, it tends to reinforce theory (3), although the personnel has maybe changed too much for the point to be very persuasive. I think you forgot the obvious. The three ex-players aren't very edge give as coaches be because they lack EXPERIENCE!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/ho...s-45462197.html Well, scratch Bykov off your list of potential candidates. Sounds like they may have wanted him for an assistant job by the somewhat broken English. And yes, he apparently does speak French (but not English). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Please, no more coaches without any experience!! Roy is a young man, let him go gain experience elsewhere. As for Lemaire, he doesn't want to coach here, we all know it. Hartley, Robinson and Lever, as posted by someone earlier, I'd be delighted with those three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REV-G Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) Actually that would make a great team of coaches.....Hartley as head coach....Robinson as assistant and works with the defencemen...and Lever as a general assistant to work with the younger guys. Sounds like a great fit. Would someone make a motion that we call Bob and tell him what we've decided to do!! Edited May 20, 2009 by REV-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Actually that would make a great team of coaches.....Hartley as head coach....Robinson as assistant and works with the defencemen...and Lever as a general assistant to work with the younger guys. Sounds like a great fit. Would someone make a motion that we call Bob and tell him what we've decided to do!! +1 with this fit. Having Hartley AND Robinson behind the bench with Lever would be a major improvement over Carbo-Muller-Jarvis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Under those coaches you mentioned the habs make the 8th seed 50% of the time as well. The talent honestly isn't much better in Montreal then in Minnesota. So i'm not sure what would change. You think getting good players is tough now, wait unitl a known defensive coach arrives. Alot of his skilled guys walked as soon as they get the chance. That is assuming that Gaborik is 100% healthy, which he rarely is. That team made the Conference Finals http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues...0023312003.html As for the talk about getting good players because of a defensive coach, who cares. The Devils and Stars and Flyers continually got strong talent even though they played a stifling system. Players want to WIN. IF you win, they will come. Habs put up 100 points and Tanguay and Laraque 2 players who everybody figured wanted nothing to do with Montreal were enthusiastic about coming. They have a season like last, and nobody wants to be in Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 The Devils, Flyers and Stars continually win. Liek you said, until the habs start winning consistantly they won't be able to make the big pick up. I'm not sure how much Tanguay wanted to be a canadien or how bad he wanted to get out of Calgary. Rumor had it before the deadline he refused a trade to the Habs. My opinion is just there are better coaches out there then Lemaire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 The Devils, Flyers and Stars continually win. Liek you said, until the habs start winning consistantly they won't be able to make the big pick up. I'm not sure how much Tanguay wanted to be a canadien or how bad he wanted to get out of Calgary. Rumor had it before the deadline he refused a trade to the Habs. My opinion is just there are better coaches out there then Lemaire. I believe there are better coaches out there than Lemaire. Not sure it is Hartley, Crawford or Robinson though. I want nothing to do with another rookie, and if he has to be french then those are your options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'd like to offer another coaching option with some credentials at even the International level. He speaks FLUENT French! Pierre Pousse. Coach, France squad. Course, he'd not understand a word spoken to him in Quebecois, but there ya go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'd like to offer another coaching option with some credentials at even the International level. He speaks FLUENT French! Pierre Pousse. Coach, France squad. Course, he'd not understand a word spoken to him in Quebecois, but there ya go! I changed my mind. I think Don Cherry would be even better as Habs coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Actually that would make a great team of coaches.....Hartley as head coach....Robinson as assistant and works with the defencemen...and Lever as a general assistant to work with the younger guys. Sounds like a great fit. Would someone make a motion that we call Bob and tell him what we've decided to do!! I like this staff! Robinson could help out our defensemen and Hartley is a proven coach. Lever knows most of our young guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I like this staff! Robinson could help out our defensemen and Hartley is a proven coach. Lever knows most of our young guys! I think the odds of this happening are pretty slim, but on paper it sounds great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Absolutely not! Patrick Roy is our best bet at someday getting our hands on a good, francophone coach WITH SOME EXPERIENCE. For once, there's an unexperienced franco coach that other teams will want to sign. Go with Hartley and let Roy gain his experience in Colorado. In a few years, we'll be able to get our hands on a wiser Roy. Giving up that opportunity now while we have a decent candidate in Hartley would be mad. I think the best bet is Hartley, with Robinson and Lever the 2 new Assistants. This is what I've been saying. Robinson has already said that he'd rather be an assistant coach than a head coach. I don't really care if Lever's there or not but he won a championship with some of the younger players on our team. This is a common misconception. In my opinion many journeyman players have a better understanding of both how the game is played and how to coach players. Most superstars rely on their great skill and natural talents to succeed. This does not build deep understanding of how the game is played. Being an average or below average player means dealing with your coaches a lot and it leads to understanding fundamentals. Not very many superstars have made good coaches. There are a few exceptions (Toe Blake). Lafleur, a superstar, would make a terrible coach precisely because he doesn't understand how the game is played by non-stars. I also think that being a great NHL goalie has little significance when it comes to coaching skaters. Roy never had to deal with line changes or coaching strategies or systems. He just sat in front of the net and did his own thing. Regardless, he seems to be a good coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Absolutely not! Patrick Roy is our best bet at someday getting our hands on a good, francophone coach WITH SOME EXPERIENCE. For once, there's an unexperienced franco coach that other teams will want to sign. Go with Hartley and let Roy gain his experience in Colorado. In a few years, we'll be able to get our hands on a wiser Roy. Giving up that opportunity now while we have a decent candidate in Hartley would be mad. This is what I've been saying. Robinson has already said that he'd rather be an assistant coach than a head coach. I don't really care if Lever's there or not but he won a championship with some of the younger players on our team. I also think that being a great NHL goalie has little significance when it comes to coaching skaters. Roy never had to deal with line changes or coaching strategies or systems. He just sat in front of the net and did his own thing. Regardless, he seems to be a good coach. and did he ever do "his own thing" That was his mantra don't see how it translates into a good coach. If we take a minute and think, in juniors he was president owner gm and coach kinda hard to get fired ain't it? is that the kind of control he needs to be successful. Lets face it he was and is a one man band dancing to his own tune. Only he can hear the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) and did he ever do "his own thing" That was his mantra don't see how it translates into a good coach. If we take a minute and think, in juniors he was president owner gm and coach kinda hard to get fired ain't it? is that the kind of control he needs to be successful. Lets face it he was and is a one man band dancing to his own tune. Only he can hear the music. Think: Mike Keenan And he was just fired today - which is PERFECT> He doesn't take any crap at all and will whip any pansies into shape pretty quick. He could probably learn to tell the media off in French pretty quick. Edited May 22, 2009 by Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Roy offered Coach and GM jobs of the Avs. "Ruefrontenac.com also reports that Lacroix is offering Roy almost full control over the club's hockey operations as a way of trumping any potential offer from his other former team - the Montreal Canadiens." As per TSN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Think: Mike Keenan And he was just fired today - which is PERFECT> He doesn't take any crap at all and will whip any pansies into shape pretty quick. He could probably learn to tell the media off in French pretty quick. i don't know about that. It looks to me like the pansies won in calgary, that is why he's out of a job. You should read what players had to say about him. No organization no system stuck in the 80's. I think we just fired a guy like that didn't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Yeah, really don't want Keenan. Almost every player he coached has bad things to say about them. I'm a bigger fan of the Boudreau approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhfarber Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Apparently the Avs have offered Roy the job as both their Head Coach AND their General Manager. Absolute craziness, the guy hasn't coached above the junior level and they want to put him in charge of the whole franchise. Yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorickbrown Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Apparently the Avs have offered Roy the job as both their Head Coach AND their General Manager. Absolute craziness, the guy hasn't coached above the junior level and they want to put him in charge of the whole franchise. Yikes! Better Colarado than Montreal In all likekyhood he'll probably be a disaster. If does a good job somewhere down the line Montreal could hire him after he's had experience there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Better Colarado than Montreal In all likekyhood he'll probably be a disaster. If does a good job somewhere down the line Montreal could hire him after he's had experience there. see my earlier post about control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 apparently he refused Colorado's offer to stay another year in the Q. I know he still has a daughter in QC city. maybe he wants to stay near her. or maybe he's just waiting to come back in montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chips Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I've had enough of the non-experienced coaching that we have experimented with in Montreal; its time to bring in a proven coach with a system, communication and leadership! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan84 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Not anymore i guess. Maybe if Martin messes up down the line in a few years than maybe Roy will be ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 close the thread. who the hell cares anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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