sakiqc Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I'm with you here. Gauthier isn't an idiot. This is the best he could get and he apparently had many inquiries/offers. Eller had a pretty good first profesional season in North America and finished 1st scorer of his team. (more points than Plekanec in his first season ) Apparently Eller was a beast in the AHL last year at even strength. He's drawing comparisons as the next Mikko Koivu. We just got two big young forwards for the next five years or so for a goalie who could have been gone within two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Ethnicity doesn't matter. Denmark has an amazing hockey program...world class. the list of danish superstars is unsurpassed. If he was an NHL proven Japanese guy, i wouldn't care, but he is a prospect. I would put more faith in a prospect that came from a country with a developement program. Plus I was mad. I'm thinking Backes or Oshie or Perron, and we get a bag of bucks and a water bottle. Like I said, Price has more bargaining power now. They should have locked him up first, then tradedd Halak. Right, but saying we traded Halak for "some danish idiot" makes it kind of sound like ethnicity does matter. Anyway, it's disappointing that we didn't get Backes, Oshie, Perron or Boyes but Eller is a really nice addition for us. This probably means we'll be keeping Plekanec and letting Moore go (Plekanec-Gomez-Eller-Lapierre down the middle, not bad) and that we may even have the cash to keep Hamrlik if we feel its necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I'm with you here. Gauthier isn't an idiot. This is the best he could get and he apparently had many inquiries/offers. Eller had a pretty good first profesional season in North America and finished 1st scorer of his team. (more points than Plekanec in his first season ) I don't think Gauthier is an idiot, but I am disappointed. I was also expecting somebody like Perron, Backes or Oshie, but we got prospects! Let's hope that this Eller kid is good, cause if he isn't and Carey Price struggles early next year, the Fans will let him have it pretty hard! It won't be Carey's fault, but seeing as Halak was really popular and had surpassed Carey in popularity with the fans, Carey will most likely get the brunt of the fans displeasure (especially if he struggles early on)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 At this point, the team needs top line forwards that can break through a stingy defense. It was the Habs biggest downfall all season. It was plain to see when you watched it. The only effective forwards we had at getting through were Gomez and AK when he wasn't too bored. I personally don't care if Plek gets locked up by the Habs. I was very happy with his season, but if signing him means not getting bigger on the top two lines, I don't want him. Right, but saying we traded Halak for "some danish idiot" makes it kind of sound like ethnicity does matter. Anyway, it's disappointing that we didn't get Backes, Oshie, Perron or Boyes but Eller is a really nice addition for us. This probably means we'll be keeping Plekanec and letting Moore go (Plekanec-Gomez-Eller-Lapierre down the middle, not bad) and that we may even have the cash to keep Hamrlik if we feel its necessary? Ya, that was my temper kicking in. I wanted a roster player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I don't think Gauthier is an idiot, but I am disappointed. I was also expecting somebody like Perron, Backes or Oshie, but we got prospects! Let's hope that this Eller kid is good, cause if he isn't and Carey Price struggles early next year, the Fans will let him have it pretty hard! It won't be Carey's fault, but seeing as Halak was really popular and had surpassed Carey in popularity with the fans, Carey will most likely get the brunt of the fans displeasure (especially if he struggles early on)! Signing a competent veteran backup is key. Even someone like Biron would take some heat off of Price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 Last time i wished for Eller was then in 2007 12 Mtl. Canadiens Ryan McDonagh D Cretin Derham Hall H.S. (Minn.) 13 St. Louis Lars Eller F Frolunda Jrs (Sweden) 7 2 0 2 4 He was considered the best Euro propect. I thought he was still in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 My initial reaction was disappointment, but now that I've settled down, I'm gonna wait and see where the chips falls before I get too carried away. All things considered, this is a good return on an RFA at this point in the year. I'm sure we would have all preferred an established roster player, but obviously that couldn't be had at this point. So now, I wonder.... Who will backup Price? Is Pleks as good as gone with Eller in the system? Is this just the first of many shakeups? Farewell Halak. Thanks for a great season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 What about Sanford? He did pretty well in Hamilton. The next 3 weeks is going to be interesting. I just pray that the Kostys go bye bye and Moore gets a 2 year deal with the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Lung Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Sweet! Pierre Gauthier is a genius! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEEP26 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 My initial reaction was disappointment, but now that I've settled down, I'm gonna wait and see where the chips falls before I get too carried away. All things considered, this is a good return on an RFA at this point in the year. I'm sure we would have all preferred an established roster player, but obviously that couldn't be had at this point. So now, I wonder.... Who will backup Price? Is Pleks as good as gone with Eller in the system? Is this just the first of many shakeups? Farewell Halak. Thanks for a great season! I dont think pleks well be back and i think this was done a week before the draft so we could sign or make a deal..I hope we dont over pay for a backup .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Either one of of AHL goalies could push for backup as they both had great seasons. But I think Carey does better when he is given the reigns and no one is challenging him, so a veteran in a mentor role may be the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 At this point, the team needs top line forwards that can break through a stingy defense. It was the Habs biggest downfall all season. It was plain to see when you watched it. The only effective forwards we had at getting through were Gomez and AK when he wasn't too bored. I personally don't care if Plek gets locked up by the Habs. I was very happy with his season, but if signing him means not getting bigger on the top two lines, I don't want him. Ya, that was my temper kicking in. I wanted a roster player. But you need to keep the cap in mind. You can't just let Plekanec go and then hope to sign a big 1st line forward for 5 million dollars... when there is no such player on the free agent market. It is either re-sign Plekanec (probably overpaying by a bit) or downgrade Plekanec. Eller may be an upgrade in the future - for now he's just depth at C. He should serve for now as a 3rd line C. In the future, he'll climb up our depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 From Hockey's Future: Eller has decent size, is a good skater with very good technical skills. He also works hard and is in general very well-rounded as a player. His scoring touch is pretty good, but Eller is much more noticeable as a playmaker. He has really good hockey sense and has that special ability to find openings that few other players can. A team player, he plays a good two-way game, but could still use some fine-tuning in his defensive game and play without the puck. Schultz gets noticed for his physical play more than for his offensive skill. Schultz could eventually become a power forward, but he may also develop into a solid grinding winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEEP26 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 But you need to keep the cap in mind. You can't just let Plekanec go and then hope to sign a big 1st line forward for 5 million dollars... when there is no such player on the free agent market. It is either re-sign Plekanec (probably overpaying by a bit) or downgrade Plekanec. Eller may be an upgrade in the future - for now he's just depth at C. He should serve for now as a 3rd line C. In the future, he'll climb up our depth chart. Eller can play C/w so maybe if we can get sharp C/w then we can find out who fits the role better for our #2 line and move the other one to the wing..If we cant sign plexs i hope we more his rights for a pick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 That quote about Eller sounds like it could have been written for Plekanec. I really hope this trade wasn't planned as a replacement for Plex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEEP26 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 well if plexs looking for 5-6mil ayear on a 5 year deal it might just be....but if his not going to sign i hope we can trade his rights for anything but i think we got more moves coming soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 well if plexs looking for 5-6mil ayear on a 5 year deal it might just be....but if his not going to sign i hope we can trade his rights for anything but i think we got more moves coming soon... I think you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Plus PG has a different philosophy then BG. I read an article that PG seems to like bigger, more physical teams. I agree more moves coming. I'll guess something with Pleks and the Kodty bros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thib46 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Some danish idiot and goon from calgary. way to go gauthier I see you know these two young men personally or is it your lack of common sense that shows up with that stupid comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Lol... What the hell kind of logic is that? Logic is that we are rolling the dice on guys that may or may not be in our lineup. It's a gamble, the habs have made far too many gambles. You don't give a 24 year old who has proven his worth for guys who may or may not make it. You do t trade a starting goalie for someone who MAY become a scorer and a projected 3rd liner. If a deal was going tone made we should have been going after proven commodities like Carter or Girioux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 1. Don't judge the deal until you see what the cap space dominoes turn up. 2. Like the stock market, you don't deal stocks at their bottom, you deal them at their top This is about cap numbers and UFA years. Price will not be a UFA for another 4 seasons, Halak will be in 2. The question for Gainey and Gauthier was are we a better team with Price, Plekanec and Eller or Halak and whatever Price returned (likely an Eller level return). Remove the emotion and it is not that shocking. I would have preferred they bought out Hammer and re-signed Pleks and both goalies, but it looks like they are keeping Hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) I see you know these two young men personally or is it your lack of common sense that shows up with that stupid comment? Ummmmm..... The lack of common sense thing you said. Lets trade our 2nd best player all year and in the playoffs for a prospect who was developed in the hocky mecca of Denmark. Anyway, I don't care about ethnicity. I said that cuz I was p!ssed. If he was a proven NHLer, I wouldn't care where he was from, but if oyu are going for prospects, the place where they were developed often matters. Anyway, I'm sorry for saying that. I already explained that, so get over it...kid. Edited June 17, 2010 by BCHabnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Logic is that we are rolling the dice on guys that may or may not be in our lineup. It's a gamble, the habs have made far too many gambles. You don't give a 24 year old who has proven his worth for guys who may or may not make it. You do t trade a starting goalie for someone who MAY become a scorer and a projected 3rd liner. If a deal was going tone made we should have been going after proven commodities like Carter or Girioux. Rumour was that the Habs asked for Giroux (for Price) but that the Flyers weren't willing to trade him. Carter was a maybe, but if we trade Halak for Carter, we lose Plekanec. What's better: Carter or Plekanec, Eller and Shultz? It certainly wouldn't be a no-brainer to take Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Rumour was that the Habs asked for Giroux (for Price) but that the Flyers weren't willing to trade him. Carter was a maybe, but if we trade Halak for Carter, we lose Plekanec. What's better: Carter or Plekanec, Eller and Shultz? It certainly wouldn't be a no-brainer to take Carter. If we moved hammer we could have Carter and pleks. The only positive with this deal is that we don't have to face Halak 6 times a year or in the playoffs. But I still hate it. I would rather have let both goalies battle it out o until next January or next years trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Regardless of how the chips fall, I'm glad, at least, that Halak went out West. I would have cried had he gone to Philly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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