DON Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, Trizzak said: What happened to "+/- is a flawed stat"...? It depends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Commandant said: I agree with that. Its the people here who want to hand him the 2022 Norris already, that I disagree with. Maybe he'll get to that level, but its not a guarantee. Didn’t you also think our D would be better this year and we’d be as good as last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Could be the next PK Subban but could also be the next Tyler Meyers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Didn’t you also think our D would be better this year and we’d be as good as last year? 1) No, i thought the D would be worse. 2) I thought the offense would be better and the team would be about the same. I made a mistake assessing the team, what is your point? Does that make my current opinion invalid? At I admit my mistakes..... Have you ever made one? Should we ignore all of your opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Sergachev is pretty much the new Vladimir Malakhov. Positives and negatives. He has a chance to develop better than Malakhov did, who definitely stunted in Montreal, but the skills are similar. Same to the hot start season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link67 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 18 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Didn’t you also think our D would be better this year and we’d be as good as last year? I don't think anyone on this planet thought this D would be better, Heck even Bergevin was probably just spewing positive vibe B.S at the golf tournament. There was no denying Markov being gone and not properly replaced was going to cause its issues, and it has. Our best case scenario was a lateral change back there, no chance of getting better, and obviously we actually got worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, Link67 said: I don't think anyone on this planet thought this D would be better, Heck even Bergevin was probably just spewing positive vibe B.S at the golf tournament. There was no denying Markov being gone and not properly replaced was going to cause its issues, and it has. Our best case scenario was a lateral change back there, no chance of getting better, and obviously we actually got worse. Hey, I kept on reading how Alzner and Schelmko would improve our defence and how there was no reason we couldn't be as good as last year with alzner/schlemko taking over the Emelin/Beaulieu spots and how much of a boon Drouin would be to the offence. Well Alzner/Schlemko have 9 points between them, while Emelin/Beaulieu have 12. And Drouin... lets not go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 58 minutes ago, Link67 said: I don't think anyone on this planet thought this D would be better, Heck even Bergevin was probably just spewing positive vibe B.S at the golf tournament. There was no denying Markov being gone and not properly replaced was going to cause its issues, and it has. Our best case scenario was a lateral change back there, no chance of getting better, and obviously we actually got worse. Bergevin was very high on Benn. Like people already forgot the top four defenceman talk. Alzner was hyped as a top four defenceman as well who can play first pair as he did in Washington. You add the underrated Schlemko and Stanley Cup winning Streit and that's why Bergevin thought he improved from Markov/Beaulieu/Emelin/Pateryn. He knew he couldn't replace Markov but the other guys would make up for the loss. The issue too many forgot is when Markov was a hab the team was still down one left handed defenceman who could crunch top four minutes. So losing Markov meant they now needed two. And Bergevin thought Benn and Alzner would do it. Then they got too excited about Mete. Now they are stuck with the original analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link67 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said: Hey, I kept on reading how Alzner and Schelmko would improve our defence and how there was no reason we couldn't be as good as last year with alzner/schlemko taking over the Emelin/Beaulieu spots and how much of a boon Drouin would be to the offence. Well Alzner/Schlemko have 9 points between them, while Emelin/Beaulieu have 12. And Drouin... lets not go there. That is all fine and dandy, but you seem to have completely forgotten how attrocious Emelin was playing for nearly a month during the back half of last season, you forget how unreliable and inconsistent Beaulieu was and always will be. The loss of those guys is insignificant, Alzner has been an even bigger disappointment than anticipated, which hasn't helped any original sentiments on the D before the season started. Even still, What Alzner is giving us is no worse than what Emelin gave us last season, Schlemko has shown himself to be a serviceable 3rd pair guy who is not as cringe worthy to watch as Beaulieu was some nights. The problem is, and has been the day it was decided, is that Markov is no longer part of this D, and he was a part of it last season. The supporting cast around Weber, Markov, and Petry is of little consequence in comparison to losing one of your top 3 Dmen, your top puck mover, and one of your top leaders. So we can dissect the I told You So's until we are all blue in the face, but the bottom line is, Markov being gone and nothing to show for it is the biggest hit this Blue line took, no amount of small upgrades to the supporting cast was going to properly make up for that loss, and the proof is in the pudding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 are you really using two defencemen having 12 points to say they have been better than two defencemen who've combined for 9 points? WOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Great play by Drouin and now 5 on 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Link67 said: That is all fine and dandy, but you seem to have completely forgotten how attrocious Emelin was playing for nearly a month during the back half of last season, you forget how unreliable and inconsistent Beaulieu was and always will be. The loss of those guys is insignificant, Alzner has been an even bigger disappointment than anticipated, which hasn't helped any original sentiments on the D before the season started. Even still, What Alzner is giving us is no worse than what Emelin gave us last season, Schlemko has shown himself to be a serviceable 3rd pair guy who is not as cringe worthy to watch as Beaulieu was some nights. The problem is, and has been the day it was decided, is that Markov is no longer part of this D, and he was a part of it last season. The supporting cast around Weber, Markov, and Petry is of little consequence in comparison to losing one of your top 3 Dmen, your top puck mover, and one of your top leaders. So we can dissect the I told You So's until we are all blue in the face, but the bottom line is, Markov being gone and nothing to show for it is the biggest hit this Blue line took, no amount of small upgrades to the supporting cast was going to properly make up for that loss, and the proof is in the pudding. It’s debatable whether Alzner is better than emelin. What I do know is I’d rather have you he last year if emelin’s contract, rather than 5 friggin years of Alzner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Commandant said: are you really using two defencemen having 12 points to say they have been better than two defencemen who've combined for 9 points? WOW I’m dying Hat the guy you thought was a big upgrade on emelin sucks. And under a different coach and system looks a hell of a lot better than the. The $35m man Alzner does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I stand by my assessment that Emelin was shit. Meanwhile you can go make up more trades that were never proposed and then whine again about why our GM didn't make thm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Shattenkirk is out indefinitely after surgery. This probably nudges the Rangers closer to being sellers this deadline. Well, maybe replace "nudges" with "shoves". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Ottawa 5 pts behind Habs but have 3 games in hand and Vancouver should beat the Jets eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 15 hours ago, DON said: Ottawa 5 pts behind Habs but have 3 games in hand and Vancouver should beat the Jets eh? The chances of ottawa winning all 3 of those games in hand is low. When its a race at the top of the standings, its hard enough to be 3/3 When its a race at the bottom, cause the teams are crap... its even harder to count on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Commandant said: The chances of ottawa winning all 3 of those games in hand is low. When its a race at the top of the standings, its hard enough to be 3/3 When its a race at the bottom, cause the teams are crap... its even harder to count on that. I know and is months till end of season also. But just spitballing and cant hope they climb the standings, so Go Sens-Oil-Canucks Go...obviously Sabres and Arizona are untouchable and just are horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 on and off topic at the same time... PK is going to be on the Daily Show tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Jaromir Jagr is on waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Trizzak said: Jaromir Jagr is on waivers. Claim him fast!!11! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Trizzak said: Jaromir Jagr is on waivers. No shocker there. He has been brutal this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Dalhabs said: Claim him fast!!11! Honestly, what is there to lose? I would not be surprised if the story will be that Molson called MB asking for him to add the show attraction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habopotamus Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Bergevin and Jagr have bad blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Jagr is done. No NHL team will claim him, and he'll go back to Europe. As for what is there to lose. I'd rather let our kids play than have Jagr in that spot down the stretch. Lets see what Carr can do, what Scherbak brings, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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