2022 NHL Entry Draft

[dlbalr]

27 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I do not think Hugh-Gort setup any combines like MB did.

 

They seem to like watching from a lodge... I do not know what to expect from their evaluation of talent come next draft

 

You're making that prediction based on seeing them in a press box watching the game like every other GM?  Where do you want them watching games from?  And what does the location of them watching a game from have to do with the idea of a draft combine?

 

We have nowhere near enough knowledge about them to know whether or not they'll set up a European combine.  Was that something that Timmins was adamant about holding or was it the brainchild of their European scouts wanting to take some closer look at players?  That's the bigger question.  Lapointe is technically in charge of the scouting so he could push for it as well. 

[alfredoh2009]

5 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

You're making that prediction based on seeing them in a press box watching the game like every other GM?  Where do you want them watching games from?  And what does the location of them watching a game from have to do with the idea of a draft combine?

 

We have nowhere near enough knowledge about them to know whether or not they'll set up a European combine.  Was that something that Timmins was adamant about holding or was it the brainchild of their European scouts wanting to take some closer look at players?  That's the bigger question.  Lapointe is technically in charge of the scouting so he could push for it as well. 

 

like I said, I just don't know

[hab29RETIRED]

1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I do not think Hugh-Gort setup any combines like MB did.

 

They seem to like watching from a lodge... I do not know what to expect from their evaluation of talent come next draft

Do you think the combines really made a huge difference in MB’s ability to select the right player🙄. But yeah find something else to take a shot at the new management team🙄

[DON]

1 minute ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Do you think the combines really made a huge difference in MB’s ability to select the right player🙄. But yeah find something else to take a shot at the new management team🙄

Romanov is only one i can think of, but some locals maybe in Laval also?

[Commandant]

They have been spotted at the U18s, the WJC, the CHL playoffs and every major spot to evaluate talent.  

 

"They seem to like watching from a lodge"

 

ok...

[hab29RETIRED]

3 hours ago, DON said:

Romanov is only one i can think of, but some locals maybe in Laval also?

So holding combines, helped MB find 1 player in 10 years, yet he is critical of not KNOWING what the new management teams plan is with respect to a combine?

[dlbalr]

51 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

So holding combines, helped MB find 1 player in 10 years, yet he is critical of not KNOWING what the new management teams plan is with respect to a combine?

 

They've drafted more players than Romanov based on the combine in the past - Dichow, Khisamutdinov, and Gordin for sure.  I think Leskinen (who signed as a free agent) also went through that combine as well.  None of them have really made it yet (some won't ever make it) but it has been utilized for more than just Romanov if anyone's wondering.

[hab29RETIRED]

8 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

They've drafted more players than Romanov based on the combine in the past - Dichow, Khisamutdinov, and Gordin for sure.  I think Leskinen (who signed as a free agent) also went through that combine as well.  None of them have really made it yet (some won't ever make it) but it has been utilized for more than just Romanov if anyone's wondering.

Have they found a Pasternak, Kucherov,

or an my real elite player through the combine, where we can say, wow, we go selected a great player becuase of the combine? Romanov seems to be about the only real good (not great player) selected player that the combine MAY have played a large role in.  
 

I have no issues with them using holding a combine as another tool. I do think its

pretty stupid to criticize the new Mgmt team, on the basis that we don’t LNOW

whether or Not they will have a combine that the previous management team did - despite the mostly lousy record the old Mgmt team had in drafting and development. The combine had nothing to do with the selection of Caufield- probably our best player drafted since Price, Maxpac,

Mcdonough, Subban and Gallagher (none of whom were drafted by MB).

[dlbalr]

1 minute ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Have they found a Pasternak, Kucherov,

or an my real elite player through the combine, where we can say, wow, we go selected a great player becuase of the combine? Romanov seems to be about the only real good (not great player) selected player that the combine MAY have played a large role in. 

 

Not yet although, to be fair, they've only had it three or four times - this isn't something they've been doing for all that long.

[Commandant]

Do you really think that when Hughes and Gorton watch a game from a press box that is all they do?

 

Being in OHL rinks many times to interview these kids, that's just not how it works. 

 

Yes, that is where they watch the game. 

 

I can guarantee you that every scout/GM etc in the league is going down to the dressing rooms after the games and talking to these kids in one on one situations.  They are talking to their teammates as well.  They are also talking to their coaches.  If their parents are around, they are talking to them too. While they aren't supposed to be measuring them or having them do any workouts, they absolutely are getting to know their personality as part of the scouting process. 

I'm sure Hughes and Gorton are no different than every other scout I've observed. 

[tomh009]

2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Have they found a Pasternak, Kucherov,

or an my real elite player through the combine, where we can say, wow, we go selected a great player becuase of the combine? Romanov seems to be about the only real good (not great player) selected player that the combine MAY have played a large role in. 

I really don't think the combine is going to make a big difference for first-rounders (such as Pastrnak). Rather, it might help them spot a diamond in the rough in the later rounds. What you're trying to do is shorten the odds on those late-round picks.

[hab29RETIRED]

2 hours ago, tomh009 said:

I really don't think the combine is going to make a big difference for first-rounders (such as Pastrnak). Rather, it might help them spot a diamond in the rough in the later rounds. What you're trying to do is shorten the odds on those late-round picks.

I’m not criticizing the combine. Like I said in a follow up post, it’s one of many tools that are good to have as part of drafting and development- which overall the previous regime did. Shit job.

 

Maybe the tone of my comment wasn’t correct. what I am criticizing is the ridiculous comment suggesting we don’t know whether Hughes-Gorton are going to continue it’s the combine, and they are just watching from a lodge. 

[alfredoh2009]

you don't really want me to answer any of those comments, right?

 

you made your points, I made mine, they are not having combines and I have no clue what they are doing

[alfredoh2009]

12 hours ago, dlbalr said:

 

They've drafted more players than Romanov based on the combine in the past - Dichow, Khisamutdinov, and Gordin for sure.  I think Leskinen (who signed as a free agent) also went through that combine as well.  None of them have really made it yet (some won't ever make it) but it has been utilized for more than just Romanov if anyone's wondering.

thanks!

[dlbalr]

15 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

you made your points, I made mine, they are not having combines and I have no clue what they are doing

 

Who says they're not?  It's not like they've publicized the date, time, and location of them in the past so how could you make a definitive statement like that?  They're all overseas right now; it's quite plausible that once the Worlds are over, they'll pop over to another location, do a quick combine, then head home.

[alfredoh2009]

4 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

Who says they're not?  It's not like they've publicized the date, time, and location of them in the past so how could you make a definitive statement like that?  They're all overseas right now; it's quite plausible that once the Worlds are over, they'll pop over to another location, do a quick combine, then head home.

 

I don;t remember clearly, but if I remember correctly I was replying to some else saying that they were not going to have the european combine.

I would not make that up

 

I just went back, I though Don knew. I was wrong

Edited May 24, 2022 by alfredoh2009

[dlbalr]

Just now, alfredoh2009 said:

I don;t remember clearly, but if I remember correctly I was replying to some else saying that they were not going to have the european combine.

I would not make that up

 

That's a pretty specific nugget of information that I know I haven't seen or heard yet - teams don't make those types of announcements.

[alfredoh2009]

am I allowed to be wrong sometimes on this board? Sh💩t , guys. Come on

[DON]

28 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

am I allowed to be wrong sometimes on this board? Sh💩t , guys. Come on

Yes, it does seem like will be whole bunch of promising d-men avail in 25-40 range, i agree and do hope one or two gets selected by Habs.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said:

am I allowed to be wrong sometimes on this board? Sh💩t , guys. Come on

 

No, you are not allowed to be wrong on this board.  Perfection is required here, perhaps you didn't read the fine print. LOL

[GHT120]

1 hour ago, DON said:

Yes, it does seem like will be whole bunch of promising d-men avail in 25-40 range, i agree and do hope one or two gets selected by Habs.

Nice segue 

[Commandant]

2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I have no clue what they are doing

 

They don't need to tell us..... 

 

Some of the scouting work they are doing, they are going to keep out of the public eye (and away from what other NHL teams see too). 

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said:

am I allowed to be wrong sometimes on this board? Sh💩t , guys. Come on

 

Sure, but no one has insulted you or anything.... so why are you upset if someone points out that something might be wrong. 

[dlbalr]

3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

am I allowed to be wrong sometimes on this board? Sh💩t , guys. Come on

 

It's not a matter about being right and wrong - we all get stuff wrong.  And I see you edited the one post to acknowledge you made a mistake which is great, not everyone would do that.

 

However, it's quite clear (to me at least) that you have an extremely negative viewpoint of management and are using every negative hypothetical you can think of as a shot at them whether it's justifiable or not.  Case in point, them viewing games from a lodge from earlier in this thread.  That's where every GM watches NHL games from so why is it such a bad thing for Gorton and Hughes to do so?  Bergevin did that all the time but you never complained about it then.  But because it's Gorton and Hughes, it's a perceived example of them doing something wrong, they're bad, etc.  In a different thread, you were criticizing their business acumen in advance if they can't find a way to solve the Price thing when it's largely out of their hands (it's the doctors/specialists on the medical side and no team would trade for him with his situation) - nothing has happened yet and you're already assuming the worst and being critical for them failing to handle a scenario that hasn't been finalized.  Once they have concrete information, then they can try to address it (albeit with their hands likely tied) but until then, they have to wait.  It seems like a really strong negative bias and that's where I think it rubs some the wrong way.  

 

I'm not worried about you being right or wrong.  But personally, I'd like to see some more objectivity instead of assuming the worst every time.  If there's a reason to be critical, fine.  But they haven't been on the job long enough to be overly critical (or overly positive, for that matter) about.  So instead of just assuming the worst about everything before it even has a chance to happen, how about we wait to pass judgment until we actually see what happens?

 

There's nothing wrong with discussing hypotheticals between now and then - there's nothing else to do for a while - but there's a way to do that without finding a way to try to spin it into being critical of the new regime at the same time.

[alfredoh2009]

fine @dlbalr, point taken.

 

I was very critical of Hug-Gort early on, but I have toned it done quite a bit and I rarely post anymore.

 

Saying that they watch from their lodge is as inoffensive as saying a player ate hot dogs from the stands instead of playing. Or in my case, as offensive as that can be.

 

I'll go on mute.