DON Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 19 hours ago, GHT120 said: Was not defending Sutter in any way, shape or form ... never have been a fan ... just saying that after 9 seasons and how badly the Tkachuk turned out it may have been time for a change with Treliving wanyway. Sutters 2 years extension $4m/yr with Flames kicks in next season, too funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, DON said: Sutters 2 years extension $4m/yr with Flames kicks in next season, too funny. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Bullying is a classic model of coaching. But mercifully, our culture has been moving further and further away bullying in general as an acceptable mode of interaction, including dealing with subordinates. Today's players are savvy and highly mobile professionals. Sutter, by contrast, is a dinosaur the times have passed by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 I see where Milan Lucic was added to the Canadian roster for the 2023 World Championships. That one surprised me a bit, actually a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Thats too bad he is playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 13 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I see where Milan Lucic was added to the Canadian roster for the 2023 World Championships. That one surprised me a bit, actually a lot. That was quite surprising as his style of play doesn't work on international ice. I think he'll be a depth guy at best and he's going to be counted on for off-ice stuff more than on-ice play. Speaking of surprising picks, I didn't expect Justin Barron to make the team. And after Mike Matheson said he was open to playing, I'm surprised he's not on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 21 minutes ago, dlbalr said: That was quite surprising as his style of play doesn't work on international ice. I think he'll be a depth guy at best and he's going to be counted on for off-ice stuff more than on-ice play. Speaking of surprising picks, I didn't expect Justin Barron to make the team. And after Mike Matheson said he was open to playing, I'm surprised he's not on there. With Mike having missed 34 games this season I wonder if the Habs refused permission, preferring a full off-season of training to ensure he is 100% come TC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 55 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Speaking of surprising picks, I didn't expect Justin Barron to make the team. And after Mike Matheson said he was open to playing, I'm surprised he's not on there. Needed a maritimer? RH d-man maybe why? But, hope if a nice experience for him (no f'in injuries!). Matheson played at world championship twice before, 6 or 7 years ago. Barron played world juniors couple years ago. dlbalr's poll, have your say on past years roster. https://www.habsworld.net/2023/05/assign-your-grades-for-the-2022-23-season/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: With Mike having missed 34 games this season I wonder if the Habs refused permission, preferring a full off-season of training to ensure he is 100% come TC? I suspect you're right as looking at Canada's roster, Matheson would have easily been their top blueliner. That suggests that he was talked out of going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Looks like Joel Armia will be playing at the Worlds for Finland. I seem to remember him usually saying no to this event but perhaps after missing so much time, he's looking to get some more games in. Considering the continued questions about his health, I'm a bit surprised the Habs are going to let him play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 He has no ties (that I'm aware of) with the current Habs management team ... but he could be a good addition as a veteran coach to MSL's staff, if he doesn't want to try for one of the open jobs ... or ... decompress and wait for a HC opening while getting his contract paid out ... and I have no attachment to Alexandre Burrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Looks like Joel Armia will be playing at the Worlds for Finland. I seem to remember him usually saying no to this event but perhaps after missing so much time, he's looking to get some more games in. Considering the continued questions about his health, I'm a bit surprised the Habs are going to let him play. A good tournament might make him less difficult to trade.🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I guess teams might be able to sign Monahan for a pretty risk-free performance based contract. Wonder how many teams might be interested in same thing? https://montrealhockeynow.com/2023/05/06/montreal-canadiens-could-benefit-from-return-of-sean-monahan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 1 hour ago, DON said: I guess teams might be able to sign Monahan for a pretty risk-free performance based contract. Wonder how many teams might be interested in same thing? https://montrealhockeynow.com/2023/05/06/montreal-canadiens-could-benefit-from-return-of-sean-monahan/ My GUESS is that unless a contending team like Colorado makes an offer (apparently, they were very interested at the deadline if he was healthy), or someone makes a ridiculous offer, then Montreal will be able to re-sign him to that type of deal if they want ... he seemed to like his time with the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Sure, i just dont know enough, to know if easier for Habs to offer him more $$ for full year, then a contender can, who is likely tighter to the cap in the fall, then might easily fit him in at deadline with retention by Habs? Or might he get a Perry-like 2 year deal from a former contender? Well, it was a good run while it lasted. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 5 minutes ago, DON said: Sure, i just dont know enough, to know if easier for Habs to offer him more $$ for full year, then a contender can, who is likely tighter to the cap in the fall, then might easily fit him in at deadline with retention by Habs? Or might he get a Perry-like 2 year deal from a former contender? Well, it was a good run while it lasted. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning I would be quite happy with Monahan returning, especially if they can move out Hoffman ... BUT ... only on a modest NHL deal ($2M maximum) with reasonable bonuses ... if they get outbid, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 5/6/2023 at 7:02 PM, GHT120 said: He has no ties (that I'm aware of) with the current Habs management team ... but he could be a good addition as a veteran coach to MSL's staff, if he doesn't want to try for one of the open jobs ... or ... decompress and wait for a HC opening while getting his contract paid out ... and I have no attachment to Alexandre Burrows. He is certainly a great coach and shouldn't have been fired anywhere. Teams and fans need to have more realistic expectations. Ironically, maybe that would be a reason for him to want to return as an assistant. The Habs are rebuilding and doing things right so they wouldn't fire him if he doesn't win the Cup after 2 years. With the Habs current situation he would finally make it into a 3rd year with a team in Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 hours ago, DON said: Sure, i just dont know enough, to know if easier for Habs to offer him more $$ for full year, then a contender can, who is likely tighter to the cap in the fall, then might easily fit him in at deadline with retention by Habs? Or might he get a Perry-like 2 year deal from a former contender? Well, it was a good run while it lasted. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning No doubt. It must be pretty depressing to be a scout for Tampa knowing you are not drafting until the 6th round this year and not until the 3rd round in 2024. That's pretty bleak. Julien Brisbois has been throwing away draft picks like they are candy. Perhaps he doesn't plan to be there long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Rangers Sather traded away lots 1st picks and then jumped ship, but Rangers seem to recover fairly quickly by dealing away vets like McDonagh. So maybe Brisbois is good and can rebuild smartly also? Or will try to win 1 more year with core? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, DON said: Rangers Sather traded away lots 1st picks and then jumped ship, but Rangers seem to recover fairly quickly by dealing away vets like McDonagh. So maybe Brisbois is good and can rebuild smartly also? Or will try to win 1 more year with core? Brisebois has certainly been too free in throwing picks around. It was especially egregious at this deadline. You make a good point, though. A team stacked with elite veterans should, if it plays its cards right, be able to flip them for a massive harvest of picks and prospects and thereby rebuild quite swiftly and impressively. Being a dynasty doesn’t have to mean an extended period in the wilderness once you pass your peak; you can leverage that talent to reboot for the next dynasty in reasonably short order. But, the timing has to be right. It would be bold and visionary of Tampa to now dismantle what they have. More commonly, we see teams taking the “Pittsburgh” approach of saying “we have a chance to win” and clinging to contenders long past their best-by date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 5 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: It would be bold and visionary of Tampa to now dismantle what they have. More commonly, we see teams taking the “Pittsburgh” approach of saying “we have a chance to win” and clinging to contenders long past their best-by date. I don't see Tampa doing it because their core is young enough to take a few more runs at it. Pittsburgh is between a rock and hard spot. They didn't really go for it at the deadline which was likely smart as they are just not good enough and can't afford to give up picks/prospects since their farm system is ranked as one of the worst. Pittsburgh's core will all be 36+ next year, not ideal. Not a great situation for a new GM to inherit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 4 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I don't see Tampa doing it because their core is young enough to take a few more runs at it. Pittsburgh is between a rock and hard spot. They didn't really go for it at the deadline which was likely smart as they are just not good enough and can't afford to give up picks/prospects since their farm system is ranked as one of the worst. Pittsburgh's core will all be 36+ next year, not ideal. Not a great situation for a new GM to inherit. Well, Hedman is 32…Stamkos 33…Kucherov 29…Point 27. They do have key players right in their prime, but some core guys are getting up there. You’re right, though, maybe pulling the trigger this summer on moving out a core piece is premature. The problem is, if you wait until it’s obvious and they have nothing left, why then it’s too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 20 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Well, Hedman is 32…Stamkos 33…Kucherov 29…Point 27. They do have key players right in their prime, but some core guys are getting up there. You’re right, though, maybe pulling the trigger this summer on moving out a core piece is premature. The problem is, if you wait until it’s obvious and they have nothing left, why then it’s too late. I think a lot depends on how long Brisbois thinks he is going to be there. He has been GM there since 2010 so perhaps going through another rebuild is not exciting for him. I think in 2-3 years Tampa will be chasing Montreal in the standings. I like what Poile did in Nashville. He knew he was leaving and that they weren't good enough to win it so he left Trotz with a pile of extra draft picks to work with. That's the right way to do it in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 12 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said: He is certainly a great coach and shouldn't have been fired anywhere. Teams and fans need to have more realistic expectations. Ironically, maybe that would be a reason for him to want to return as an assistant. The question is whether Gallant will still be paid (by the Rangers) if he takes up an assistant post elsewhere. If he does not, he may just choose to take a year off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 44 minutes ago, tomh009 said: The question is whether Gallant will still be paid (by the Rangers) if he takes up an assistant post elsewhere. If he does not, he may just choose to take a year off. I think it's standard that there's offset language in these deals. If Gallant went somewhere as an assistant, the Rangers would be responsible for paying the difference between his salary with them and with the new team. The new team is required to pay market value for him as part of the rules so a team couldn't offer him $50,000 to be an assistant to make New York foot more of the bill, they'd have to pay the going rate for an experienced assistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Leaves the Avs with $20M+ of cap space once GL goes on LTIR ... wonder if there is anyone on the Habs that Sakic likes. CLARIFICATION: To trade for, not free agents like Drouin and Monahan (who may well both be of interest to the Avs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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