KoZed Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I noticed in the recap on NHL.com that BGL got 5 for fighting but not one person mentioned it in this thread. Then I saw the replay. Damn, BGL got worked. Now we have to watch that for 3 years. Figures, he comes to Montreal and starts sucking. Hopefully this will wake him up and he'll start hitting the gym. Laraque plays with a groin that's still not 100% healed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 No points, -2 And on the tying goal it was Higgins back with Koivu and Tanguay. Latendresse was no where to be found. Next game am sure there will be another player shuffle, and Begin will probably be sent back to sidelines, as Kostopolous and Dandedault probably back in. Begin should play, bench Latendresse. Ugh, there it goes again... Lats had a good game, no great, good. Knocked 2-3 guys on their asses when it mattered, won every battle along the boards and was hustling all night long. One of his minuses was on the Jon Sim fluke goal, the other one is on the Nielsen 2nd goal goal when Tanguay just no-look backhanded the puck at center ice behind Lats & Koivu, and Lats was the only forward who backchecked on that goal. Higgins was back with Koivu because Higgins can't perform with anyone else. The Kosty's Bros also ended up paired with Lapierre. Should we bench Andrei and Sergei too now? Begin was playing. Are gonna have to go through this after every game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMPL Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Don't be bitching about Laraque. The guy was 6 foot 8. Laraque is still not 100% and you know he will want to prove himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) I didn't see the game but i did watch the highlights on RDS.ca. I did see Latendresse's huge bodycheck(i don't remember against who). Another thing that I noticed is the number of Habs fans in attendance in Long Island. I was surprised to see so many fans in attendance. When the habs scored all those goals in the 3rd, you'd swear that the Habs were playing on home ice. I did read that a large number of chartered buses came down from Montreal, but there must have been a few thousands habs fans in attendance. I like the fact that our boys can count own lots of fans almost everywhere across teh NHL! Don't be bitching about Laraque. The guy was 6 foot 8. Laraque is still not 100% and you know he will want to prove himself. I was just about to say the same thing. the Fritz guy was 5 inches taller than Laraque. I thought he did well considering the size of the giant he was facing! Edited November 2, 2008 by Habsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Don't be bitching about Laraque. The guy was 6 foot 8. Laraque is still not 100% and you know he will want to prove himself. I hope he'll want to prove himself. It sucks that Laraque lost his first fight in a Habs Jersey that's all, and to a kid that may be 6'8, but it was his first NHL fight ever. Ivanans, Boo and Chara are 6'8 plus and that never stopped Laraque. I'm disappointed, not bitchin, but I'm also not going to make any excuses for him either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l<OV4L3V Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) I hope he'll want to prove himself. It sucks that Laraque lost his first fight in a Habs Jersey that's all, and to a kid that may be 6'8, but it was his first NHL fight ever. Ivanans, Boo and Chara are 6'8 plus and that never stopped Laraque. I'm disappointed, not bitchin, but I'm also not going to make any excuses for him either. You can't win every fight; thats all I gotta say. It really doesnt matter if you win or lose the fight. By dropping the mits, it shows character and sends an energy wave along the bench. It's pretty much telling the guys "I did my part.... now go and do yours!!!!" Edited November 2, 2008 by l<OV4L3V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Laraque can't win them all, and Fritz capitalized on getting the first move in... I still don't think he's 100%, and I doubt this fight affects his performance whatsoever. I was more concerned by his lack of speed and effort without the puck, which leads me to believe he's got lingering groin effects. I can't believe that there's a 6'8 giant named FRITZ! KoZed was bang on with his assessment of Lats. Sure he was -2 on the night, but no one was perfect (Kovy was +4, but had 7 giveaways). He did well with a few solid hits, and I thought he brought energy to every shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Laraque can't win them all, and Fritz capitalized on getting the first move in... I still don't think he's 100%, and I doubt this fight affects his performance whatsoever. I was more concerned by his lack of speed and effort without the puck, which leads me to believe he's got lingering groin effects. I can't believe that there's a 6'8 giant named FRITZ! KoZed was bang on with his assessment of Lats. Sure he was -2 on the night, but no one was perfect (Kovy was +4, but had 7 giveaways). He did well with a few solid hits, and I thought he brought energy to every shift. he his Luke Fritz's brother, a guy playing on the Offensive Line for the Montreal Alouettes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 he his Luke Fritz's brother, a guy playing on the Offensive Line for the Montreal Alouettes. I'm surprised nobody mentionned yet that its the Habs who sort of dug Mitch Fritz out of anonymity back in 2000-2001. They gave him a try-out on their ECHL affiliate in Tallahassee, back when Ryder was toiling there. Anyways, you could see Fritz didnt want to get anywhere close to Laraque and sort of just kept him at (very long) arm's length. Not much of a win there, Laraque probably got the best punch in. And that wasnt Laraque's first fight. He got it on with Thornton vs Boston, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 KoZed was bang on with his assessment of Lats. Sure he was -2 on the night, but no one was perfect (Kovy was +4, but had 7 giveaways). He did well with a few solid hits, and I thought he brought energy to every shift. He did. Just played a good all-around game. Betcha if his name was William Tenderness, everybody would be raving about how good a passer he is and how he's physical and how we should give him the C or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 *shrug* If I were judging, I'd say Laraque had won that fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMPL Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Now that I seen the fight again I would give the decison to Laraque, here's why: - Laraque had the biggest punch in the whole fight - Laraque cut Fritz over the right eye - Laraque scored the takedown - Fritz was throwing jabs, that never phazed Laraque at all - Fritz was shy at the beginning making BGL make the first move, giving Fritz advantage - Fritz was more intent to turn a fight into a spinfest (Chara to McCabe a few years back) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Now that I seen the fight again I would give the decison to Laraque, here's why: - Laraque had the biggest punch in the whole fight - Laraque cut Fritz over the right eye - Laraque scored the takedown - Fritz was throwing jabs, that never phazed Laraque at all - Fritz was shy at the beginning making BGL make the first move, giving Fritz advantage - Fritz was more intent to turn a fight into a spinfest (Chara to McCabe a few years back) has it been posted anywhere that we could review it as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) I dunno what everyone is even getting on Laraque for, he clearly won the fight... He was at odds with Fritz but then scored a huge punch that busted Fritz open then scored the takedown. Clean and simple. Edited November 2, 2008 by ForumGhost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koivu Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 i've gotta agree he doesnt impress me at all. If he at least would complete or do something by himself. Sure he did a few bodychecks but he's NEVER at the friggin right spot... I know some people will tell me that he still scored some goals...well many other players would have too with tanguay and koivu.... thank you. maybe i did not say it as well, but you made 2 key points that need to be stated: 1. For a goal scorer, Latendresse never seems to get in right spot to score. 2. Any player would end up with a good +/- overall playing on top line with tanguay and koivu. I liked this from McGuire: A caller to Melnick's show asked if the Canadiens should trade Guillaume Latendresse for a number 4 defenceman, to which McGuire gave the obvious answer: They couldn't get a number 4 D for Gui! Koivu needs guys that can play to his level, and someone who can bury the puck in friggin net. 1 goal in 10 games playing on the Top Line - cmon, enough already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koivu Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 What makes you think it was good idea making another one of these threads? Because I think Latendresse's play deserves a Post Topic. The other one was closed, for some silly reason - even Chipchura has his own post - and hes not even here! What is Latendresse some sort of untouchable player to talk about on this forum ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 This is the only thing I hate about Habs fans, they are way to critical over everything. 17 out of 20 points is STILL not enough to stop whining. Lats hasn't scored 15 goals yet?! TRADE HIM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 has it been posted anywhere that we could review it as well? Laraque Vs Fritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan84 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Lats is doing fine. I like his physicality and you half to figure if he is "so crap" like some people are saying then why is that line one of the best for the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) It amazes me at the lack of patience on this board. We can't even give Lats 20 games on that line without demanding he be removed. Gui is on pace for just under 60 pts and instead of "wow, Gui is off to a great start" we get "anybody could do that on that line". Yet everybody was predicting greatness for AK46 and his 53 points playing on the top line with top PP minutes last season. No mention of the fact he was playing with Kovalev and Plekanec. AK46 was just beginning to make an impact on the Bulldogs at 21 years of age and put up his 53 NHL points at 23 years old. Give the ######ing kid a chance. The kid is a work in progress and always has been. If this is the best thing for his confidence and development what is so hard in leaving him up there to work through his inconsistencies. If he goes scoreless in his next 10 games and has only 7 points in 20 games then end the experiment, but don't do it when he is enjoying the best start to his career and probably enjoying the confidence that goes with it. This is a marathon, not a sprint. This year is not a do or die season, even though many believe it is. Edited November 3, 2008 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 It amazes me at the lack of patience on this board. We can't even give Lats 20 games on that line without demanding he be removed. Gui is on pace for 60 pts and instead of "wow, Gui is off to a great start" we get "anybody could do that on that line". Yet everybody was predicting greatness for AK46 and his 53 points playing on the top line with top PP minutes last season. No mention of the fact he was playing with Kovalev and Plekanec. AK46 was just beginning to make an impact on the Bulldogs at 21 years of age and put up his 53 NHL points at 23 years old. Give the ######ing kid a chance. The kid is a work in progress and always has been. If this is the best thing for his confidence and development what is so hard in leaving him up there to work through his inconsistencies. If he goes scoreless in his next 10 games and has only 7 points in 20 games then end the experiment, but don't do it when he is enjoying the best start to his career and probably enjoying the confidence that goes with it. This is a marathon, not a sprint. This year is not a do or die season, even though many believe it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 This is the only thing I hate about Habs fans, they are way to critical over everything. 17 out of 20 points is STILL not enough to stop whining. Lats hasn't scored 15 goals yet?! TRADE HIM! YEAH AND THEY ACTUALLY LOST 1 GAME GUY NEEDS TO BE FIRED AND BOB GAINEY REASSIGNED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 It amazes me at the lack of patience on this board. We can't even give Lats 20 games on that line without demanding he be removed. Gui is on pace for just under 60 pts and instead of "wow, Gui is off to a great start" we get "anybody could do that on that line". Yet everybody was predicting greatness for AK46 and his 53 points playing on the top line with top PP minutes last season. No mention of the fact he was playing with Kovalev and Plekanec. AK46 was just beginning to make an impact on the Bulldogs at 21 years of age and put up his 53 NHL points at 23 years old. Give the ######ing kid a chance. The kid is a work in progress and always has been. If this is the best thing for his confidence and development what is so hard in leaving him up there to work through his inconsistencies. If he goes scoreless in his next 10 games and has only 7 points in 20 games then end the experiment, but don't do it when he is enjoying the best start to his career and probably enjoying the confidence that goes with it. This is a marathon, not a sprint. This year is not a do or die season, even though many believe it is. He's on pace for 60 2nd assists. He does need to pick it up. I'm not saying that he needs to be kicked off the line. Don't mess with it if it's working, but I agree with some of Koivu's thoughts. Higgins has a much greater impact on the line than Lats does. Lats takes himself out of offensive postion to get hits in. He still needs work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 He's on pace for 60 2nd assists. He does need to pick it up. I'm not saying that he needs to be kicked off the line. Don't mess with it if it's working, but I agree with some of Koivu's thoughts. Higgins has a much greater impact on the line than Lats does. Lats takes himself out of offensive postion to get hits in. He still needs work. But do those hits give Koivu and Tanguay - two guys who love space - more space to play their game? Is the work that Latendresse doing actually exactly what that line needs to be productive? Don't get me wrong, I think Higgsy could be great there as well, but on the other hand is that too much finesse? I completely disagree with KoZed when he said Higs only works with Koivu (one could counter one of his remarks with, "If his name was Higginse people would consider his work fine" ) however I do agree that Tender is putting together a solid start to this season. And if they are all 2nd assists... well plays have to start from somewhere, don't they? If that's from the corner of the rink bashing someone then popping it out to Koivu or Tanguay, isn't that good enough? * to KoZ: that was just good-natured ribbing there; I know through your posts you know as well as anyone the language thing goes both ways. I wonder if both Higs and Lats might be better off if their names were Higsenov and Latendristin. Then everyone might just accept what they were doing regardless. Incidentally, with Koivu at +9 I'm not sure I would change a thing right now. Must mean Latendresse is at least intimidating enough to slow opponents, and that's something right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 (edited) He's on pace for 60 2nd assists. He does need to pick it up. I'm not saying that he needs to be kicked off the line. Don't mess with it if it's working, but I agree with some of Koivu's thoughts. Higgins has a much greater impact on the line than Lats does. Lats takes himself out of offensive postion to get hits in. He still needs work. So now we are picking apart what assists are relevant? Was that the standard while assessing Plekanec last season? AK46? Streit? Markov? Kovalev? And some wonder why people defend Lats. What is Higgins impact? Working his ass of in the corner to get 6 chances a game and then firing pucks in to the goalie's chest? You would think that Higgins was an 80 pt player the way people want to promote him to that line. Does everybody forget that Higgins and Koivu were DEMOTED to the second line last season? And I don't want to hear it was Ryder's fault as that line was perfectly fine and productive the season before with the same players. I love Higgins but his limitations seemed to be glossed over a hell of a lot quicker than Lats limitations are. Latendresse is a whipping boy and barring a 90 PT Bertuzzi type season will continue to be one. Edited November 3, 2008 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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