hab29RETIRED Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 So coaches learn and get better with experience? This isnt news that he's better today than he was two years ago Still he was a pretty good coach out of junior and lets remember he tied us in points for the last playoff spot in 2009 The point I was making is that like Vigneault, Julien and other Hab rookie coaches, Deboar didn't have immidiate success, got fired from his first job, learned from it and then had success elsewhere. ONly recent rookie coach he succeeded in his first stint was Bylsma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 The point I was making is that like Vigneault, Julien and other Hab rookie coaches, Deboar didn't have immidiate success, got fired from his first job, learned from it and then had success elsewhere. ONly recent rookie coach he succeeded in his first stint was Bylsma. Succeeded doesnt always mean the cup Barry Trotz and Lindy Ruff are both on their first team Guy Boucher went to game 7 of the ECF John Torterella won a cup with the team that hired him as a rookie Boudreau has a Jack Adams award Look what Paul MacLean did for the Sens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 My first statement must be that I have no clue. I think a french coach IS important. This Is the Montreal Canadiens. My french needs a lot of work and I live in Toronto, but love is love an I would not mess with it. My ideal result would be a successful Roy, but With all that passion, would he work well with other professionals? I have no clue. I might take Crawford as a safer bet, but my position comes from no solid foundation. A bit of a catch 22. Did Hartley just feel he had to take the first good offer? Was that a managerial coup for Calgary? A shrewd move? Timing is a bitz. I'm just glad God has a CH on his sweater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 If it's down to Therrien or Crawford, I want Crawford... but Crawford's record post-lockout isn't great. He hasn't made the playoffs in almost a decade with 3 different teams. Is it possible his ideas don't work in the new NHL? Or did LA and Dallas both just suck that much despite him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Succeeded doesnt always mean the cup Barry Trotz and Lindy Ruff are both on their first team Guy Boucher went to game 7 of the ECF John Torterella won a cup with the team that hired him as a rookie Boudreau has a Jack Adams award Look what Paul MacLean did for the Sens I would call Boucher a success. Ditto for Trotz and Ruff. Deboer, julien, therrien weren't. I'm not against getting a rookie coach - i've already said that I prefer Roy. I also was in favour of firing Martin after we went to the final four and going with Boucher. This isn't Nashville. We can't just go with any rookie coach, becasue unlilke Nashville, th the natives won't be patient, so if we are going to go with a rookie, i'd rather it be a guy like Roy. In therrien's case, i don't remember the last time the coach was the biggest reason his team lost a series. If it's down to Therrien or Crawford, I want Crawford... but Crawford's record post-lockout isn't great. He hasn't made the playoffs in almost a decade with 3 different teams. Is it possible his ideas don't work in the new NHL? Or did LA and Dallas both just suck that much despite him? I'd take Crawford, over Therrien - hell i'd take almost anyone (not carbo though as some have suggested - wouldn't want either) over Therrien. My choice would still be Roy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Ok, so why don't you actually add to the discussion? Who's your choice? And remember, he'll have to speak French. And don't waste our time telling us how this fact has an effect on the teams future. That subject has been beaten to death, years before you started "contributing". I have posted my selection, earlier I might add, and have also conceded that their will be a French speaking coach in Montreal for some time to come, also in a much earlier thread. WE get your obsession. Let's move on and celebrate the ultimate selection, whomever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I have posted my selection, earlier I might add, and have also conceded that their will be a French speaking coach in Montreal for some time to come, also in a much earlier thread. WE get your obsession. Let's move on and celebrate the ultimate selection, whomever. Great stuff. But if you quote me, you should read what I wrote. I'm not obsessed, in fact I'm bored with the topic. But I come to my favorite website, and I read the same stuff. And nobody adds anything new. I do agree with you though, if only they'd name a new coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 If it's down to Therrien or Crawford, I want Crawford... but Crawford's record post-lockout isn't great. He hasn't made the playoffs in almost a decade with 3 different teams. Is it possible his ideas don't work in the new NHL? Or did LA and Dallas both just suck that much despite him? I liked Dallas' teams under Crawford and they just came up short under him (42-29-11 his last year which isn't too shabby). Looking at LA's roster in his final year though, it's easy to see why they struggled. Patrick O'Sullivan was one of their top scorers, while overpaid and overrated players like Ladislav Nagy, Michal Handzus, and Tom Preissing also were on the roster. Heck, Brian Willsie played 53 games that year. Goaltending is what really did them in though, Jason Labarbera was the #1 goalie while J-S Aubin was the backup. Even with their skaters, had they had remotely competent goalies they still may have done some damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I liked Dallas' teams under Crawford and they just came up short under him (42-29-11 his last year which isn't too shabby). Looking at LA's roster in his final year though, it's easy to see why they struggled. Patrick O'Sullivan was one of their top scorers, while overpaid and overrated players like Ladislav Nagy, Michal Handzus, and Tom Preissing also were on the roster. Heck, Brian Willsie played 53 games that year. Goaltending is what really did them in though, Jason Labarbera was the #1 goalie while J-S Aubin was the backup. Even with their skaters, had they had remotely competent goalies they still may have done some damage. Yes. It's usually the talent on the ice that makes or breaks the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Crawford looks like a coach. I hear he speaks French and is studying it intensely. I read Theirien it bullyish and loses the room rather quickly. Crawford dresses better. I'm available and willing to be coached on coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REV-G Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 So this morning I read that RDS is reporting Roy is now officially out of the running. Other than a darkhorse appearing that none of us were anticipating the media is saying it is down to to Therrien and Crawford. So why are the panel at AntiChambre pushing so hard for Therrien and why is he a finalist with our management team? I've heard and read a lot of negatives about Therrien, but let's force ourselves to look at the positive for a minute. On the positive side, what does Therrien bring to us that would cause Bergevin and his team to choose Therrien over say Crawford? There must be some things we're not seeing or not wanting to see! What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 So this morning I read that RDS is reporting Roy is now officially out of the running. Other than a darkhorse appearing that none of us were anticipating the media is saying it is down to to Therrien and Crawford. So why are the panel at AntiChambre pushing so hard for Therrien and why is he a finalist with our management team? I've heard and read a lot of negatives about Therrien, but let's force ourselves to look at the positive for a minute. On the positive side, what does Therrien bring to us that would cause Bergevin and his team to choose Therrien over say Crawford? There must be some things we're not seeing or not wanting to see! What do you think? Cause he works for RDS? They think they will get scoops if its him. Plus Bertrand Raymond is a racist bigot who believes its not just about the ability to speak French, you must be pure laine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thib46 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 The description of Betrand Raymond is on point, nothing else need be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Benoit Groulx confirms he's staying in the Q for next year, some felt he might be a darkhorse candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Cause he works for RDS? They think they will get scoops if its him. Plus Bertrand Raymond is a racist bigot who believes its not just about the ability to speak French, you must be pure laine Exactly...in his world, I'm not even welcome in my own province. Thankfully he's the extreme, and doesn't speak for us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankhab Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Still no word, maybe they are waiting till the playoffs are over for an announcement? Or maybe they can't decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mineral Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankhab Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 TSN says its Therrien, oh well, who will RDS crap on now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 *waits for The Cuccumber to boil over and provide us with a positive insightful point of view* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Roy takes the high road, denies demands, not likely people will stop claiming he had demands: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=397765 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thib46 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I had a chance to watch the replays of Patrick Roy"s press conference in Quebec, I was impressed by his demeanor, his responses were direct and sounded very sincere. He actually appeared to me as very level headed and someone who knows where he is at the moment and is feeling good in his skin. He did not take the bait to attack the process and the selection that were presented to him by some of the journalist. I like him more today then yesterday and I do believe he may well have the chance to work at a head coach in the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Sounds like they added lapointe to a admin position. I liked him as a player. Very hard nosed player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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