Machine of Loving Grace Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 14 hours ago, BlueKross said: The KHL is in dire straits according to the main board. Got to be a lot of people looking for a pay check next year. I think we can do a lot better with 10M. The ball is clearly in MB's court. $9.8m is two firsts, a second, and a third. Second rounders get wasted on guys like Andrew Shaw. Third rounder would get traded for a grinder anyway. Basically Leon for two firsts. Worth it. $10m is four first rounders. That's a maybe. I think Leon is good enough but this team has to be 100% ready to compete for a Cup if that was the case, because if you don't compete for a Cup you are running with no future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 34 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: $9.8m is two firsts, a second, and a third. Second rounders get wasted on guys like Andrew Shaw. Third rounder would get traded for a grinder anyway. Basically Leon for two firsts. Worth it. $10m is four first rounders. That's a maybe. I think Leon is good enough but this team has to be 100% ready to compete for a Cup if that was the case, because if you don't compete for a Cup you are running with no future. 10m isn't worth it in my opinion either. The next 4 years of firsts means there's nothing added to our already non-existent forward prospects. We have Scherbak and Hudon. That's about it. Next to no talent in the pipeline to support a guy like Leon when he's 26-onwards. Two firsts including this years 25th? Absolutely. Theres no question I would offer sheet 9-9.8 mill to get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: $9.8m is two firsts, a second, and a third. Second rounders get wasted on guys like Andrew Shaw. Third rounder would get traded for a grinder anyway. Basically Leon for two firsts. Worth it. $10m is four first rounders. That's a maybe. I think Leon is good enough but this team has to be 100% ready to compete for a Cup if that was the case, because if you don't compete for a Cup you are running with no future. Remember the 5 year rule that brian keeps posting If its 9.8 per year, and you do a deal longer than 5 years, it becomes 10 for compensation purposes real quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 And Hell will freeze over before Bergy offers enough that Oilers wont match for their big 21 year old centre, who just had 16pts in 13playoff games. This isn't a Dustin Penner you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, Commandant said: Remember the 5 year rule that brian keeps posting If its 9.8 per year, and you do a deal longer than 5 years, it becomes 10 for compensation purposes real quick. Of course. $9.8 for five years. Pretty much the length of Price and Weber's usefulness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: $9.8m is two firsts, a second, and a third. Second rounders get wasted on guys like Andrew Shaw. Third rounder would get traded for a grinder anyway. Basically Leon for two firsts. Worth it. $10m is four first rounders. That's a maybe. I think Leon is good enough but this team has to be 100% ready to compete for a Cup if that was the case, because if you don't compete for a Cup you are running with no future. Given MB's track record in drafting and especially development, we might as well piss away picks (which MB will squander anyhow) for a sure thing who solves the organization's biggest problem in one fell swoop. Frankly, it's the cap hit I'd worry about, not the lost picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Given MB's track record in drafting and especially development, we might as well piss away picks (which MB will squander anyhow) for a sure thing who solves the organization's biggest problem in one fell swoop. Frankly, it's the cap hit I'd worry about, not the lost picks. Even if we suddenly draft and develop players right, I think if we added draisaitl, we'd be among the top 10, probably even top 5 teams in the league. I doubt we'd find anyone near as good as draisaitl that low in the first round. We have 3 or 4 years before there will probably be a huge drop off in Weber. I think we need a major addition now, otherwise we may as well as trade away price and Weber, because we'll always be just good enough to make the playoffs and possibly win a round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Given MB's track record in drafting and especially development, we might as well piss away picks (which MB will squander anyhow) for a sure thing who solves the organization's biggest problem in one fell swoop. Frankly, it's the cap hit I'd worry about, not the lost picks. Imagine getting a point per game 21 year old for what the Habs currently pay for Plekanec/Emelin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Nashville's no match for Pittsburgh. Anaheim would have been a better final. 4-1 Pittsburgh in the 3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Nashville's no match for Pittsburgh. Anaheim would have been a better final. 4-1 Pittsburgh in the 3rd I hope this is sarcasm because Nashville has outplayed Pitt in both games. You can't win with a leaky goalie. Nashville still wins the cup, just a couple games longer than I expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Yeah, Rinne has been terrible... Nashville is outplaying Pitt but Murray is playing much better between the two. The score was not reflective of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, Commandant said: Yeah, Rinne has been terrible... Nashville is outplaying Pitt but Murray is playing much better between the two. The score was not reflective of the game. Despite rinne's play, it could be a different series if the subban goal wasn't disallowed in game 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, TheDriveFor25 said: I hope this is sarcasm because Nashville has outplayed Pitt in both games. You can't win with a leaky goalie. Nashville still wins the cup, just a couple games longer than I expected. Not sarcasm at all. Their offense isn't good enough. Especially with Johanssen out. And they don't have players who have crossed the finish line before like Pittsburgh and Anaheim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 27 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Not sarcasm at all. Their offense isn't good enough. Especially with Johanssen out. And they don't have players who have crossed the finish line before like Pittsburgh and Anaheim. Even without Johanssen they've outplayed the penguins. The difference has been goaltending plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Switch the goalies and the series is 2-0 Nashville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 6 hours ago, Commandant said: Switch the goalies and the series is 2-0 Nashville. Switch the forwards and the series is 2-0 Nashville Switch the defense and the series is still 2-0 Pittsburgh Keep the teams the same and it's still 2-0 Pittsburgh Pekka Rinne had been their best player coming into the Cup finals, they may not have made it there without him playing that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, illWill said: Switch the forwards and the series is 2-0 Nashville Switch the defense and the series is still 2-0 Pittsburgh Keep the teams the same and it's still 2-0 Pittsburgh Pekka Rinne had been their best player coming into the Cup finals, they may not have made it there without him playing that well. None of that matters if he craps out when it most counts. He is tarring his own legacy right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, illWill said: Switch the forwards and the series is 2-0 Nashville Switch the defense and the series is still 2-0 Pittsburgh Keep the teams the same and it's still 2-0 Pittsburgh Pekka Rinne had been their best player coming into the Cup finals, they may not have made it there without him playing that well. I'm not convinced on switch the forwards.... not if Nashville's goalie is still letting in shit goals, and letting in 4 goals on 11 shots.... or 3 goals in less than 5 minutes and putting up save percentages in the 700s. Pittsburgh didn't get a shot on goal for 37 minutes for crying out loud in game 1 and the first shot goes in. In game 2 Nashville dominates for 40 minutes again, and he gives up a shitty goal to tie it in the first, and then in the third he gives up a brutal rebound and its 2-1 ten seconds in. If the goaltending is even close to even in this matchup its a different series. But it doesn't matter how good your team is playing if the goalie cant make saves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 To be fair Rinne has been carrying Nashville through pretty much every series they've played. He was a favourite for the Conn Smythe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scott462 said: To be fair Rinne has been carrying Nashville through pretty much every series they've played. He was a favourite for the Conn Smythe. Sure, and the last two games he's shit the bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Commandant said: Sure, and the last two games he's shit the bed. Well he looks tired he might have broke because of the load he has been carrying. He faced a tremendous amount of shots against Chicago and Anaheim and St. Louis series was no joke either. Kinda like MAF did for Pitts but now Murray is in fresh as ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 If you score once a game you aren't winning, just ask the habs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 And if you score three times and go almost two full periods without giving up a shot on net in game 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 They scored 3 times and won, enough said, The final score is all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Commandant said: And if you score three times and go almost two full periods without giving up a shot on net in game 1? Well that is really hard on a goalie to try and stay sharp without facing a shot for that long a period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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