Guest Stogey24 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 42 minutes ago, Commandant said: early 3rd rounder > Hudon's value on the open market. Which is why i still think the Knights will take someone else from us. Could see emelin going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Stogey24 said: Could see emelin going Correction, hope to hell emelin goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 hour ago, habs rule said: Correction, hope to hell emelin goes. What will it cost Bergy to have Vegas take Emelin (or Plekanec)...2nd round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 3 hours ago, dlbalr said: Is there really that much of a difference? Put on a GM hat for a moment - do you think Hudon is worth a 2nd round pick on his own? (Keeping in mind he's no longer waiver exempt and has all of six games of NHL experience, both are concerns for someone who'd want to take him.) I don't think he'd get that. If Hudon gets taken in option two, the pick they got for Beaulieu is equivalent to about peak value (if not a bit better) for Hudon which would then make the same as Beaulieu for nothing which is your first scenario. Value wise, there isn't a big gap between the two options unless you're more optimistic about Hudon's NHL future than I am. I don't know about Hudon's future, but i'm sure more optimistic about Beaulieu's future than this 3rd rounder or Jamie Benn's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 hours ago, DON said: What will it cost Bergy to have Vegas take Emelin (or Plekanec)...2nd round pick? Word is the Islanders are giving up a 1st round pick and Grabovski in exchange for leaving Kulemin open in the expansion draft to be taken. So yes, a 2nd round pick is a fairly accurate price. However, Vegas might be accepting so many other floor-reaching salary trades that Pleks salary won't be appealing even with an incentive. Fingers crossed though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 They are taking 15th overall to - pass on guys like Nelson and Strome and Bailey - take Kulemin (4.2 for a bad player) - take Grabovski (5.5 in dead space) So yeah a late second for Plekanec sounds fair, since we are only asking them to pass on Hudon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 3 hours ago, DON said: What will it cost Bergy to have Vegas take Emelin (or Plekanec)...2nd round pick? I read an article this morning that a french writer says he spoke to Mcphee, who told him they were taking Pleks100%. Of course I can't find that article but it was on tsn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 7 hours ago, habs rule said: I read an article this morning that a french writer says he spoke to Mcphee, who told him they were taking Pleks100%. Of course I can't find that article but it was on tsn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davehab Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 7 hours ago, habs rule said: I read an article this morning that a french writer says he spoke to Mcphee, who told him they were taking Pleks100%. Of course I can't find that article but it was on tsn. Martin Lamey was saying the same thing on TSN 690 the other day. He thinks Pleks has the most value because they could flip him at the deadline for a first rounder. (That's what he said) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, Davehab said: He thinks Pleks has the most value because they could flip him at the deadline for a first rounder. (That's what he said) He'd be a great pickup for the playoffs for the Habs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 43 minutes ago, Davehab said: Martin Lamey was saying the same thing on TSN 690 the other day. He thinks Pleks has the most value because they could flip him at the deadline for a first rounder. (That's what he said) That is it. Martin Lemay. Thanks Davehab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I have never liked anything I've seen from Nathan Beaulieu on the ice, with the exception of his scrappy defense of his teammates. I kept wanting to be wrong, but ever since we brought him up to the NHL, he's been an offensive-only puck-moving defenseman who doesn't generate offense and never moves the puck. I'm happy getting a 3rd for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 41 minutes ago, Jeff Price (no relation) said: I have never liked anything I've seen from Nathan Beaulieu on the ice, with the exception of his scrappy defense of his teammates. I kept wanting to be wrong, but ever since we brought him up to the NHL, he's been an offensive-only puck-moving defenseman who doesn't generate offense and never moves the puck. I'm happy getting a 3rd for him. I share your viewpoint other than being happy getting a 3rd for him. Not that I think he could have got more for him, just that it's disappointing that was the return for him after all these years of hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 56 minutes ago, Jeff Price (no relation) said: I have never liked anything I've seen from Nathan Beaulieu on the ice, with the exception of his scrappy defense of his teammates. I kept wanting to be wrong, but ever since we brought him up to the NHL, he's been an offensive-only puck-moving defenseman who doesn't generate offense and never moves the puck. I'm happy getting a 3rd for him. So 28 pts for a 21yo forward Lehkonen is great. But 28 pts for a 23yo defenseman Beaulieu means nothing ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Good riddance Beaulieu. I think that's a pretty good return for what he's become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 14 hours ago, Trizzak said: Word is the Islanders are giving up a 1st round pick and Grabovski in exchange for leaving Kulemin open in the expansion draft to be taken. So yes, a 2nd round pick is a fairly accurate price. However, Vegas might be accepting so many other floor-reaching salary trades that Pleks salary won't be appealing even with an incentive. Fingers crossed though! The Kulemin portion of the rumoured deal has been recanted. The rest is accurate, but they don't know who is being selected by Vegas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: So 28 pts for a 21yo forward Lehkonen is great. But 28 pts for a 23yo defenseman Beaulieu means nothing ? I was going to say the same thing. Petry takes absolutely no heat around here and he led the Habs in turn overs. Same point totals as Beaulieu with more Gp too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Turnovers is a flawed statistic. Until the NHL make a consistent definition of what is a turnover, It means nothing. On top of that Petry played way more minutes than Beaulieu. You also have to look at how much each player has the puck, and what they are doing with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Turn overs is a flawed stat for everyone then. So its an equal playing field. I've never like Petry honestly. I think he's overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 3 hours ago, JoeLassister said: So 28 pts for a 21yo forward Lehkonen is great. But 28 pts for a 23yo defenseman Beaulieu means nothing ? Beaulieu turned 24 last December, he'll be 25 early next season. If Lehkonen doesn't add 20 points per year within 3 years, I'll be on his case, too. At 22, Beaulieu had a goal and 8 assists in 64 games played, his first full season in the NHL. At 21 he played only 17 games and had a grand total of 2 assists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Colin said: Good riddance Beaulieu. I think that's a pretty good return for what he's become. Here's a plus to the trade - it brings Colin back to the board. Long time no talk, hope things are going well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Stogey24 said: I was going to say the same thing. Petry takes absolutely no heat around here and he led the Habs in turn overs. Same point totals as Beaulieu with more Gp too I would hope you try and pull for Hab players and not look for reasons why we all should dump on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Colin said: Good riddance Beaulieu. I think that's a pretty good return for what he's become. Good to see you back Colin, hang around for while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: Here's a plus to the trade - it brings Colin back to the board. Long time no talk, hope things are going well. He's all serious now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 2:10 PM, hab29RETIRED said: i'd walk you off, but may jump before you... Hahahah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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