BCHabnut Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Both goalies were atrocious tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 40 minutes ago, Commandant said: This and the Danault line worked brilliantly. I havent looked up the 5v5 advanced stats tonight but my feeling is that the danault line won their matchup against Bergeron and it wasnt particularly close (other than on faceoffs) Well if Chiarot is the answer to finding Weber's ideal partner, then the offseason was a rousing success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Commandant said: thats more bad luck than bad play. His xGa is fine. I agree. I like kulak. More than reilly anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Commandant said: Price got the win, so that means he played great, right? 😅😂 The Chiarot-Weber pairing is an intriguing, Back to the Future concept. I suspect it will not be sustainable because really fast teams will feast on its mangled corpse - and also Chiarot looks like the kind of guy who will be 'exposed' by top-pairing minutes. But I really like the Petry-Mete combo, and you have to hand it to Julien - he identified that the B's killer line is not super speedy and that it could be contained by two 'heavy' d-men. The man can coach. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: 😅😂 The Chiarot-Weber pairing is an intriguing, Back to the Future concept. I suspect it will not be sustainable because really fast teams will feast on its mangled corpse - and also Chiarot looks like the kind of guy who will be 'exposed' by top-pairing minutes. But I really like the Petry-Mete combo, and you have to hand it to Julien - he identified that the B's killer line is not super speedy and that it could be contained by two 'heavy' d-men. The man can coach. He really is great at adjusting as the game changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: 😅😂 The Chiarot-Weber pairing is an intriguing, Back to the Future concept. I suspect it will not be sustainable because really fast teams will feast on its mangled corpse - and also Chiarot looks like the kind of guy who will be 'exposed' by top-pairing minutes. But I really like the Petry-Mete combo, and you have to hand it to Julien - he identified that the B's killer line is not super speedy and that it could be contained by two 'heavy' d-men. The man can coach. Julien has kinda said it isn't a full time pairing but something he will use for some matchups. Im fine with that. The pairing had a good night So did the Petry pair. However the Fleury-Reilly pair was caved in on the night. Might be time for a change Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Commandant said: Julien has kinda said it isn't a full time pairing but something he will use for some matchups. Im fine with that. The pairing had a good night So did the Petry pair. However the Fleury-Reilly pair was caved in on the night. Might be time for a change Thursday It has to be time to get kulak back in ther rotation. He was solid last season. Im a little surprised that he's the odd man out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 12 hours ago, tomh009 said: I think Mete's work with Tim Turk is really paying off -- especially now that Mete has broken his duck. Arpon Basu posted a nice photo demonstrating what Turk has been teaching Mete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Commandant said: This and the Danault line worked brilliantly. I havent looked up the 5v5 advanced stats tonight but my feeling is that the danault line won their matchup against Bergeron and it wasnt particularly close (other than on faceoffs) Tatar-Danault-Gallagher and the A-D-D line had the Bruins' number last night, and the advanced stats confirm that (as much as I am able to interpret them). Lehkonen-Poehling-Byron struggled, though, in spite of Byron's goal. Julien had Thompson take extra shifts on that line, which worked better. (Thompson finished with over 15 minutes of ice time, Poehling only about nine minutes.) It was Poehling's first game, let's see how things go from here. But nine minutes of ice time is far less than he was getting in Laval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 I know th goal was waived for offside, but Rielly should be up in the stairs after this aweful pinch. It was Junior B level at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: I know th goal was waived for offside, but Rielly should be up in the stairs after this aweful pinch. It was Junior B level at best. I agree. I've seen enough of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallica Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, JoeLassister said: I know th goal was waived for offside, but Rielly should be up in the stairs after this aweful pinch. It was Junior B level at best. Wait I thought our D was improved this year because of experience under their belt🤔. That’s what I was told earlier when I said its the same bad D from last year. Oh and what happen to everyone's favorite red button? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 On 11/5/2019 at 2:41 PM, Trizzak said: I don't understand how Reilly went from being scratched for every game except one from the trade deadline last season, to suddenly having the coach's confidence over Kulak for the past 4 games (including back-to-backs.) Reilly has looked shaky to me. What am I missing about him? I do not know, but I vaguely remember Richardson saying early on on an interview that he was looking to work with guys like Reilly who have "the tools" but haven't together yet. I am guessing they have been working together on improving his game. Reilly reminds me of Petry when he came to the CH, before he found his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Reilly was a 7 Dman in Minnesota and wasnt even playing much, Like Kulak who was in the minors when the habs traded for him Petry was much better, just on a bad team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallica Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 We got 2 NHL d on this team Weber and Petry. Everyone else should be in the AHL, yes even Mete. He isn't a #1 LD in the NHL and shouldn't be playing as one. He should be developing in the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, Metallica said: We got 2 NHL d on this team Weber and Petry. Everyone else should be in the AHL, yes even Mete. He isn't a #1 LD in the NHL and shouldn't be playing as one. He should be developing in the AHL. Charot is nhl. Kulak is nhl. Just in the doghouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, Metallica said: We got 2 NHL d on this team Weber and Petry. Everyone else should be in the AHL, yes even Mete. He isn't a #1 LD in the NHL and shouldn't be playing as one. He should be developing in the AHL. As long as Mete is develop right he’s fine playing in Montreal. If he's going to get less ice time each time he makes a mistake then he's better off in the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Metallica said: We got 2 NHL d on this team Weber and Petry. Everyone else should be in the AHL, yes even Mete. He isn't a #1 LD in the NHL and shouldn't be playing as one. He should be developing in the AHL. Using the ratings from corsicahockey.com (they use stats for these, you may or may not agree with these, but they are at least another point of view), here are the Habs' defencemen. 93 LD and 93 RD in the league (but the rankings also include just "D" which can play both sides). I do think they weigh 2018-2019 performance more than 2019-2020, which makes sense as this season is still very young Weber: #7 RD (1st pair) Petry: #12 RD (1st pair) Folin: #76 RD (3rd pair, maybe) Kulak: #28 LD (1st pair, maybe) Mete: #52 LD (2nd pair, maybe) Reilly: #70 LD (3rd pair, barely) Chiarot: #82 LD (probably not 3rd pair) Fleury: #52 D (2nd pair, maybe) If we accept their rankings, I'd say we have five credible NHL defencemen: Weber, Petry, Kulak, Mete and Fleury. Chiarot, Folin and Reilly maybe not so much. It's just one data point, though. EDIT: Merging all into a single list, including D, LD and RD (182 D-men in the top-three pairs in the NHL): Weber: #10 Petry: #19 Kulak: #57 Mete: #101 Fleury: #116 Reilly: #137 Chiarot: #158 Folin: #173 https://www.corsicahockey.com/nhl/players/nhl-player-ratings-rankings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Using the ratings from corsicahockey.com (they use stats for these, you may or may not agree with these, but they are at least another point of view), here are the Habs' defencemen. 93 LD and 93 RD in the league (but the rankings also include just "D" which can play both sides). I do think they weigh 2018-2019 performance more than 2019-2020, which makes sense as this season is still very young Weber: #7 RD (1st pair) Petry: #12 RD (1st pair) Folin: #76 RD (3rd pair, maybe) Kulak: #28 LD (1st pair, maybe) Mete: #52 LD (2nd pair, maybe) Reilly: #70 LD (3rd pair, barely) Chiarot: #82 LD (probably not 3rd pair) Fleury: #52 D (2nd pair, maybe) If we accept their rankings, I'd say we have five credible NHL defencemen: Weber, Petry, Kulak, Mete and Fleury. Chiarot, Folin and Reilly maybe not so much. It's just one data point, though. EDIT: Merging all into a single list, including D, LD and RD (182 D-men in the top-three pairs in the NHL): Weber: #10 Petry: #19 Kulak: #57 Mete: #101 Fleury: #116 Reilly: #137 Chiarot: #158 Folin: #173 https://www.corsicahockey.com/nhl/players/nhl-player-ratings-rankings Does your stats show how many give a ways and 2 on 1 and missed assignments that these guys give up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: Does your stats show how many give a ways and 2 on 1 and missed assignments that these guys give up? You can look here to see how they calculate: https://www.corsicahockey.com/nhl-player-ratings-explained As I said, it's only one data point. But for some reason the stats don't say that all our D are garbage. I can't explain that, can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, tomh009 said: You can look here to see how they calculate: https://www.corsicahockey.com/nhl-player-ratings-explained As I said, it's only one data point. But for some reason the stats don't say that all our D are garbage. I can't explain that, can you? From what I see Weber 1, Petry 2, Mete 3 Fleury not ready should be developing in AHL. Everyone else can go and we need an upgrade on. Just think of what this team can be if we had a Elite puck moving defensemen on it. One thing I loved about Gainey he made sure our D was Strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 12 hours ago, Habsfan89 said: One thing I loved about Gainey he made sure our D was Strong. MB 6yrs, 3 division titles, 4 playoff appearances Bob 7yrs, 1 division title, 4 playoff appearances So if his defense was strong, didnt seem to matter in results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 13 hours ago, tomh009 said: Using the ratings from corsicahockey.com (they use stats for these, you may or may not agree with these, but they are at least another point of view), here are the Habs' defencemen. 93 LD and 93 RD in the league (but the rankings also include just "D" which can play both sides). I do think they weigh 2018-2019 performance more than 2019-2020, which makes sense as this season is still very young Weber: #7 RD (1st pair) Petry: #12 RD (1st pair) Folin: #76 RD (3rd pair, maybe) Kulak: #28 LD (1st pair, maybe) Mete: #52 LD (2nd pair, maybe) Reilly: #70 LD (3rd pair, barely) Chiarot: #82 LD (probably not 3rd pair) Fleury: #52 D (2nd pair, maybe) If we accept their rankings, I'd say we have five credible NHL defencemen: Weber, Petry, Kulak, Mete and Fleury. Chiarot, Folin and Reilly maybe not so much. It's just one data point, though. EDIT: Merging all into a single list, including D, LD and RD (182 D-men in the top-three pairs in the NHL): Weber: #10 Petry: #19 Kulak: #57 Mete: #101 Fleury: #116 Reilly: #137 Chiarot: #158 Folin: #173 https://www.corsicahockey.com/nhl/players/nhl-player-ratings-rankings Based on your ranking and the corsica hockey numbers, I do not know why Riley gets such a bad rap. He is a good depth NHLer. A good 7th that can fill in for injuries. Chiarot seems to be adjusting under Richardson and Julien. A good 3rd pairing guy which can play up the lineup. If we project Weber to start declining, the CH needs an elite LD for the rest to fall into place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Based on your ranking and the corsica hockey numbers, I do not know why Riley gets such a bad rap. He is a good depth NHLer. A good 7th that can fill in for injuries. Chiarot seems to be adjusting under Richardson and Julien. A good 3rd pairing guy which can play up the lineup. If we project Weber to start declining, the CH needs an elite LD for the rest to fall into place. Weber and Petry tied for 15th in d-scoring, is that declining? Reilly is fine for pressbox depth, but would prefer to not see him in the top six and Kulak instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, DON said: Reilly is fine for pressbox depth, but would prefer to not see him in the top six and Kulak instead. The ratings support that, with Kulak ranked #57 overall of all NHL defencemen. (And I do think alfredoh meant exactly that, fill in when needed, not in the top three pairs barring injuries.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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