alfredoh2009 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) I was looking at an old lineup from 2010-2011 (late March 2011) and I thought: "this is before the MB rebuild, how does it compare to today?" * D prospects look better, * Top line looks better * bottom 6 look similar * Goalie situation is not great right now * There is hope for the future 2011 2022 Kostitsin - Gomez - Gionta Cammalleri - Plekanec - Moen Pouliot - Desharnais - White Darche - Halpern - Eller Hamrlink - Wisniewski Gill - Subban Mara - Sopel Price / (Auld) Caufield - Suzuki - Dach Slafkovsky - Drouin - Anderson Dadonov - Dvorak - Hoffman Richard - Evans - Armia Edmundson - Guhle Harris - Kovacevic Xhekaj - Wideman Allen / (Montembeault) If you are wondering why not posting from 2011-2012 (shortened season, strike) it is because at this point PG still believed he could turn around the team. Here are the moves he did before getting fired: https://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=&Team=canadiens&BeginDate=2011-06-01&EndDate=2012-04-01&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&submit=Search&start=0 * Got something in return for Wisnewski who had said he didn't want to resign with the Habs * Let these UFAs walk: Perezhogin, Sopel, Mara, Auld, Halpern, Hamrlik * re-signed Georges and Erik Cole to long term contracts * signed Budaj * Signed Gallagher to entry level contract * then he went into rebuild mode firing Martin and trading away Cammalleri, Gill, Kostitsin Edited December 26, 2022 by alfredoh2009 re-titled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I was looking at an old lineup from 2011 (I don't know when during that season) and I thought: "this is before the MB rebuild, how does it compare to today?" * D prospects look better, * Top line looks better * bottom 6 look similar * Goalie situation is not great right now * There is hope for the future 2011 2022 Kostitsin - Gomez - Gionta Cammalleri - Plekanec - Moen Pouliot - Desharnais - White Darche - Halpern - Eller Hamrlink - Wisniewski Gill - Subban Mara - Sopel Price / (Auld) Caufield - Suzuki - Dach Slafkovsky - Drouin - Anderson Dadonov - Dvorak - Hoffman Richard - Evans - Armia Edmundson - Guhle Harris - Kovacevic Xhekaj - Wideman Allen / (Montembeault) But there never was a Bergevin rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, GHT120 said: But there never was a Bergevin rebuild. 🤪 funny 🤪 I remember a first re-build and two on-the-fly retools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, GHT120 said: But there never was a Bergevin rebuild. Agree. I think he used the term "reset". He made a great deal with the Suzuki trade and acquired some extra draft picks but never went as far as he should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 ok, ok, I'll change the title tough crowd, tough crowd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 52 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Agree. I think he used the term "reset". He made a great deal with the Suzuki trade and acquired some extra draft picks but never went as far as he should have. And that was six years into his term ... comparing 2011 vs 2022 would make Bergevin's whatever (which was really business as usual, trying to make the playoffs and see what happens), his first couple of seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, GHT120 said: And that was six years into his term ... comparing 2011 vs 2022 would make Bergevin's whatever (which was really business as usual, trying to make the playoffs and see what happens), his first couple of seasons. ok, I'll re-state. The lineup is from Gaut's last season before MB took over, so before any morphing into what ever. I was curious to see the "starting point" at the time and compare to now. just trying to pass the time until the trade deadline when the team will shed dead weight and contracts for picks. moving on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: ok, I'll re-state. The lineup is from Gaut's last season before MB took over, so before any morphing into what ever. I was curious to see the "starting point" at the time and compare to now. just trying to pass the time until the trade deadline when the team will shed dead weight and contracts for picks. moving on I was responding to Habs Fans in Edmonton who moved the goalposts to MB's sort of, kind of, maybe, but not really rebuild of 2018 ... not your premise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Wow that 2011 first line stinks! Bergevin did a rebuild without stripping the team. He slowly built the team to be a character, blood and guts type team. I think he accomplished that vision to a degree. This rebuild sure has a head start with that Suzuki line - although HuGo did get Dach. This trade deadline, draft, and summer will be so important to our rebuild. I hope things work out to be a home run for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Wow that 2011 first line stinks! Bergevin did a rebuild without stripping the team. He slowly built the team to be a character, blood and guts type team. I think he accomplished that vision to a degree. This rebuild sure has a head start with that Suzuki line - although HuGo did get Dach. This trade deadline, draft, and summer will be so important to our rebuild. I hope things work out to be a home run for us. I agree, the next few months are really important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I don't know when during that season That lineup must have been around or after the trade deadline because Sopel and Mara only played 12 and 20 games for the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Wow that 2011 first line stinks! Bergevin did a rebuild without stripping the team. He slowly built the team to be a character, blood and guts type team. I think he accomplished that vision to a degree. This rebuild sure has a head start with that Suzuki line - although HuGo did get Dach. This trade deadline, draft, and summer will be so important to our rebuild. I hope things work out to be a home run for us. Bergevin also had Price, Pacioretty, Subban, Eller, and a third overall pick, as young pieces to build around when he took over.... he didn't come in with nothing. Yes Hugo got Suzuki, Caufield, but having some players to build with is normal for a new regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 era 7 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I was looking at an old lineup from 2011 (I don't know when during that season) and I thought: "this is before the MB rebuild, how does it compare to today?" * D prospects look better, * Top line looks better * bottom 6 look similar * Goalie situation is not great right now * There is hope for the future 2011 2022 Kostitsin - Gomez - Gionta Cammalleri - Plekanec - Moen Pouliot - Desharnais - White Darche - Halpern - Eller Hamrlink - Wisniewski Gill - Subban Mara - Sopel Price / (Auld) Caufield - Suzuki - Dach Slafkovsky - Drouin - Anderson Dadonov - Dvorak - Hoffman Richard - Evans - Armia Edmundson - Guhle Harris - Kovacevic Xhekaj - Wideman Allen / (Montembeault) The 2011 team also had Markov and Pacioretty who aren't listed here. Markov was probably on IR, and Pacioretty was either in the AHL, or on IR from the Chara hit depending on when you pulled that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Commandant said: era The 2011 team also had Markov and Pacioretty who aren't listed here. Markov was probably on IR, and Pacioretty was either in the AHL, or on IR from the Chara hit depending on when you pulled that team. I Miss Markov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Erik Cole - DD - Maxpac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 On 12/21/2022 at 1:24 PM, alfredoh2009 said: I was looking at an old lineup from 2011 (I don't know when during that season) and I thought: "this is before the MB rebuild, how does it compare to today?" * D prospects look better, * Top line looks better * bottom 6 look similar * Goalie situation is not great right now * There is hope for the future 2011 2022 Kostitsin - Gomez - Gionta Cammalleri - Plekanec - Moen Pouliot - Desharnais - White Darche - Halpern - Eller Hamrlink - Wisniewski Gill - Subban Mara - Sopel Price / (Auld) Caufield - Suzuki - Dach Slafkovsky - Drouin - Anderson Dadonov - Dvorak - Hoffman Richard - Evans - Armia Edmundson - Guhle Harris - Kovacevic Xhekaj - Wideman Allen / (Montembeault) You are missing Pacioretty, Markov, Gorges, Lapierre, from that 2010 /11 team this was Bob Gaineys team not Bergevin he was hired in 2012. Bergevin retool started in 2018 So before the retool/reset it would've been year 2017/18 rooster which was Drouin-Plekenec-Pacioretty Danault -Galchenyuk-Gallagher Shaw-Byron-Hemsky Carr-Hudon -Lenkonen Ex Deslauriers , LaRose Weber-Petry Alzner-Benn Mete-Davidson Ex Morrow, schlemko Price-Niemi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 The lineup I posted above is most probably from the end of the 2010-2011 season. This is early in the 2011-2012 season: http://web.archive.org/web/20110915000000*/https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 I found a game late in the 2010-2011 season that I believe i as close to the one I posted as I can get: https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/201103240BOS.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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