The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Wait…Shanahan was the Saviour, wasn’t he?? No wait, Babcock was the Saviour. Hang on hang on, Matthews was the Saviour. No, no, that’s not it - Tavares was the Saviour. No, hold it, Keefe was the Saviour. Wait, I mean, Ryan Reaves was the Saviour. No, no, I mean to say, Craig Berube is the Saviour…no, just a second… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Isn't he the frontrunner for Ottawa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 7 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Isn't he the frontrunner for Ottawa? Ottawa hired Travis Green. Rumor was Berube wanted to wait and see what other jobs were available and didnt want to sign anything with ottawa right away and then ottawa moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Ottawa hired Travis Green. Rumor was Berube wanted to wait and see what other jobs were available and didnt want to sign anything with ottawa right away and then ottawa moved on. That, and money. Sounds like Green is coming in really close to the bottom for head coaching salaries whereas Berube is likely better positioned to be closer to the top ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Watched a bit of the end of season leaf presser and I just shake my head. The way they talked about Shanahan being a champion made me laugh out loud. Here is to 10 more years of failure 🎉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Watched a bit of the end of season leaf presser and I just shake my head. The way they talked about Shanahan being a champion made me laugh out loud. Here is to 10 more years of failure 🎉 The "We thank Brendan for his service" press release comes out at 5:30 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 40 minutes ago, GHT120 said: The "We thank Brendan for his service" press release comes out at 5:30 today. Sounds like he's not going anywhere. One analyst said it's going to be hard for there to be management changes when it's coming off the back of a the first season with a new GM. A new GM wouldn't blow up a team and move core contracts until they've fully evaluated it. That small piece may be Shanahan's saving grace. If that is true, I'd expect it's a fairly deep cup run next season or they will clean house. Also the "tone" is there's no player safe in Toronto right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Perhaps the Habs can get a first round pick out of Treliving for taking Marner’s contract 🥳 I can’t remember a single great trade that Treliving made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Sounds like he's not going anywhere. One analyst said it's going to be hard for there to be management changes when it's coming off the back of a the first season with a new GM. A new GM wouldn't blow up a team and move core contracts until they've fully evaluated it. That small piece may be Shanahan's saving grace. If that is true, I'd expect it's a fairly deep cup run next season or they will clean house. Also the "tone" is there's no player safe in Toronto right now. That bolded text above might actually be the best reason to replace Shanahan and Treliving (Can't give Shanahan another GM hire) ... give the new President/GM time to get familiar with the team before having to make decisions on pending UFAs Tavares and Marner, and what is needed to re-set the roster ... if they allow Treliving and Shanahan to try to move Marner and/or Tavares that seems to me like a long-term commitment to them ... and it will be hard to significantly re-shape the roster without moving one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 The leafs need toughness to win in the playoffs. They also were 1-4 with Auston Matthews in the playoff lineup and 2-0 without him Anderson and Savard for Matthews makes sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Perhaps the Habs can get a first round pick out of Treliving for taking Marner’s contract 🥳 I can’t remember a single great trade that Treliving made. And then flip Mitch at the deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Commandant said: The leafs need toughness to win in the playoffs. They also were 1-4 with Auston Matthews in the playoff lineup and 2-0 without him Anderson and Savard for Matthews makes sense. ONLY if he ditches the porn-stache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 8 minutes ago, GHT120 said: That bolded text above might actually be the best reason to replace Shanahan and Treliving (Can't give Shanahan another GM hire) ... give the new President/GM time to get familiar with the team before having to make decisions on pending UFAs Tavares and Marner, and what is needed to re-set the roster ... if they allow Treliving and Shanahan to try to move Marner and/or Tavares that seems to me like a long-term commitment to them ... and it will be hard to significantly re-shape the roster without moving one of them. While I get what you're saying, if you replace president and GM now, you're back to holding onto this roster for another year before potential changes while the new president and GM do their evaluation on the roster. At least this season Marner and Tavares are under contract. Marner will want more money and that may price Tavares out of resigning if they do want him back. Toronto's window is closing, they're late into their window. Their core players are already expensive, and not taking team discount, which would of helped massively to shape an entire roster. Delaying this another year could very well push them out of contention, and into the just playing in the playoff phase before a rebuild happens again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 8 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Toronto's window is closing, they're late into their window. Their core players are already expensive, and not taking team discount, which would of helped massively to shape an entire roster. Delaying this another year could very well push them out of contention, and into the just playing in the playoff phase before a rebuild happens again. True. But the flip side is doing it a year from now means that Treliving and Shanahan have already revamped the roster and failed ... AND ... the new Pres/GM, with no first-hand info/experience, have to immediately commit to re-signing Tavares and/or Marner, letting them walk or getting "pennies on the dollar" trading their rights at the 2025 draft (***IF*** at that point wither would even agree to be dealt) ... realistically, by keeping them Pelley is betting Shanahan/Treliving can do enough to justify keeping them for at least two more summers/seasons. A new Pres/GM now could do the same tinkering around the edges that will be all that Treliving will likely be able to accomplish this summer while learning what they need to know to decide whether they want to keep Marner and/or Tavares. Admittedly not an easy choice for Pelley in terms of what is best for the team in the long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 53 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Perhaps the Habs can get a first round pick out of Treliving for taking Marner’s contract 🥳 I can’t remember a single great trade that Treliving made. Well, the Monahan trade was indeed a great trade. It was just great for Montreal the way it worked out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Perhaps the Habs can get a first round pick out of Treliving for taking Marner’s contract 🥳 As @dlbalr says, it could be Monahan-ish (or maybe even better) ... but unless they first manage to move at least Anderson and Dvorak, somewhere/anywhere - undoubtedly separate trades, it pretty much guarantees off-season LTIR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 I dont think Marner is at the level of Monahan in terms of trade value. i think the leafs will get something for him, rather than having to pay another team to take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 25 minutes ago, Commandant said: I dont think Marner is at the level of Monahan in terms of trade value. i think the Leafs will get something for him, rather than having to pay another team to take him. PART of the equation is to which, if any, team Marner is willing to accept a trade ... but yes, I suspect it was all tongue-in-cheek ... I took it, and responded, in that sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Commandant said: I dont think Marner is at the level of Monahan in terms of trade value. i think the leafs will get something for him, rather than having to pay another team to take him. A 90 point guy who is only 27, of course they will get something for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: Well, the Monahan trade was indeed a great trade. It was just great for Montreal the way it worked out. It was fantastic, the Habs received 2 first round picks and used up some cap space (very little in year 2) while Monahan was a great presence. Tremendous asset management. Big kudos to Hughes on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 I'm not sure where the idea is coming from that the Leafs would have to pay to trade Marner. He has a year left @ $10.9m and averages 1.1 ppg his entire career. This year was above that average at 1.23 ppg. He's worth every penny of that contract. If the Leafs do trade him, they're easily getting a significant package in return. All of that said, he won't be traded. Matthews and Marner are a 1/2 punch. I doubt Matthews puts up the same production without Marner. Tavares or Nylander would be the likely suspects if they were to trade one of their core 4. Nylander, on a freshly signed deal with a career year behind him would fetch the most outside of Matthews. Outside of a sign and trade or a trade with am extension in place, I don't see either of Marner or Tavares being traded. No team would take that uncertainty and pay what the Leafs will want for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 Tavares is the most likely one, I think. But current contract aside, I can't see that he would garner a huge return at age 33. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: I'm not sure where the idea is coming from that the Leafs would have to pay to trade Marner. As I said above, "I suspect it was all tongue-in-cheek ... I took it, and responded, in that sense." 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: All of that said, he won't be traded. Matthews and Marner are a 1/2 punch. I doubt Matthews puts up the same production without Marner. Unless the Leafs have decided they are fully committed to re-signing Marner and confident they can do so, ***if*** he is willing to waive his NMC (it is 100% his choice) I expect the Leafs will recoup what they can by trading the pending UFA ... if, as you speculated, someone is willing to up the ante and can reach a sign&trade contract deal with Marner they might just get something closer to his market value. 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: Nylander, on a freshly signed deal with a career year behind him would fetch the most outside of Matthews. Nylander is also on a NMC, so entirely his choice ... does he want to leave Toronto? It also would not send a good message for future contract negotiations if the he is willing to re-sign to a max-term contract and then 4-5 months later the team asks him to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 36 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Tavares is the most likely one, I think. But current contract aside, I can't see that he would garner a huge return at age 33. ... or that he would necessarily agree to waive his NMC unless it was to the perfect situation ... but what team that would so qualify would have the cap room to afford his contract next season? Moving out significant AAV to do so would likely mean "losing" a player that would make the team less appealing to Tavares. Leafs screwed themselves by not addressing the roster/cap issues last June before the Marner/Nylander NMCs kicked in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I want every damned leaf with a no trade clause to refuse all trades. Tavares is the one they probably want to move but I hope he says no. I’m not saying the leafs should trade Mathews but I would do my homework. The return could be transformative to the leafs. Definitely not suggesting this but the kind of return would be like Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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