The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Re: Pastrnak goal Not saying it’s my opinion once again. But The Leafs fanbase was the one commenting on his effort level on that goal. Again, not saying one goal means anything. I am saying that this criticism came from the Leafs fanbase. No one is saying Marner should turn into Matthew Tkachuk. I’m not sure where you gathered that interpretation. When it comes to physicality, people were complaining that Marner is Marner, not that he is not Matthew Tkachuk. Wasn’t targeting you with that crack. It’s more that hockey fans often default to the idea that if a guy is ineffective it’s because he’s not big and strong. As I say, the question with Marner shouldn’t be this; it’s whether, like Nick Suzuki in 2021, he is effective at managing the physical challenges that come with playoff action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 13 hours ago, Commandant said: Their five Highest paid players are 4 forwards and an offensive defenceman. They have 2 goals or less on 13 of their last 14 playoff games. The team is built for offence and doesnt score. Sorry Im not calling q defence core with Edmundson and Lybushkin soft.... Also they arent giving up tons of goals, blaming the defence for the losses is not correct either. Every player in the NHL makes mistakes. Thats just reality. Carey Price got 10 million a year cause his job was to erase the mistakes of tbose who were paid less. The leafs are built in such a way (and paid in such a way) that their best players are at the offensive end. They need to outscore the lower paid players mistakes. They dont do that and hence the leafs lose. Makes sense. But of course it doesn’t answer the mystery of why the Big Four don’t produce consistently and at an elite level in the playoffs. I mean…Auston Matthews is a genuine superstar, a scoring machine. Yet he has been hit and miss over eight playoffs. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 Addiction is an illness. Hed need to prove he has it well behind him. If he does hes a 30g winger with excellent defensive play but he has a lot to prove off the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 19 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Makes sense. But of course it doesn’t answer the mystery of why the Big Four don’t produce consistently and at an elite level in the playoffs. I mean…Auston Matthews is a genuine superstar, a scoring machine. Yet he has been hit and miss over eight playoffs. 🤷♂️ There is something not quite right about the chemistry of how they are built is my guess. I mean if it was just this season you could say Matthews is playing hurt, Nylander also missed 3 games, Marner had a bad series and Tavares is getting older and maybe needs the other three to step up so he doesnt have to be the guy and is the clear #4. But its not just this year. Its been 7 years now. Something is just not right in how those 4 fit together and they should try to change it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 1 hour ago, Commandant said: There is something not quite right about the chemistry of how they are built is my guess. I mean if it was just this season you could say Matthews is playing hurt, Nylander also missed 3 games, Marner had a bad series and Tavares is getting older and maybe needs the other three to step up so he doesnt have to be the guy and is the clear #4. But its not just this year. Its been 7 years now. Something is just not right in how those 4 fit together and they should try to change it. No they shouldn’t. I like what they are doing and hope they continue with the insanity of doing what doesn’t work. They should actually sign Marner for a $12.5m extension, and bring back Tavares at a bit of a discount - $8.5m and make up the difference with some big boy leaf Pajamas. Treiliving should also find another tough guy like Reaves, so they are a bit tougher to play against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 33 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: No they shouldn’t. I like what they are doing and hope they continue with the insanity of doing what doesn’t work. They should actually sign Marner for a $12.5m extension, and bring back Tavares at a bit of a discount - $8.5m and make up the difference with some big boy leaf Pajamas. Treiliving should also find another tough guy like Reaves, so they are a bit tougher to play against. 😁 haha, agree! I suggest you send these recommendations on to Shanahan. They need to hear this!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 1 hour ago, Commandant said: There is something not quite right about the chemistry of how they are built is my guess. That's my feeling. The pieces just don't quite fit together right. You can't just blame 1 player like Marner. It's hard to win the Stanley Cup, the parity is as strong as I have ever seen. There were many many teams with a legitimate shot going into the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 14, 2024 Share Posted May 14, 2024 2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: That's my feeling. The pieces just don't quite fit together right. You can't just blame 1 player like Marner. It's hard to win the Stanley Cup, the parity is as strong as I have ever seen. There were many many teams with a legitimate shot going into the playoffs. I agree ... but Marner may be the only player that they would be able to trade, albeit with his permission, to try to "shake things up" for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 17, 2024 Share Posted May 17, 2024 Well it’s official. Will it make a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 17, 2024 Share Posted May 17, 2024 12 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Well it’s official. Will it make a difference? You would think that eventually they will find the right captain to pilot the Titanic. Or maybe there is a design flaw on the ship and it doesn't matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 17, 2024 Share Posted May 17, 2024 Leafs & Canucks have both played so long without a cup, one reason am pulling for Canucks over Oilers. And hope Leafs continue on as-is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 Berube is a good coach, but he's not going to be able to turn crummy D-men into good D-men by tweaking their positioning a little, he doesn't have a Benjamin Button potion to administer to John Tavares, and he's not going to be able to magically give Mitch Marner the balls to visit the middle of the offensive zone during the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 I’m sure Berube won’t hurt. What worries me more is that the Leafs will go out and sign Zadorov this off-season. Any team signing him will regret the contract in the long run, but in the short term, he could make a huge impact - bringing that team exactly what it needs, a mobile, surprisingly skilled behemoth in the top-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 17 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: You would think that eventually they will find the right captain to pilot the Titanic. Or maybe there is a design flaw on the ship and it doesn't matter? 1 hour ago, sbhatt said: Berube is a good coach, but he's not going to be able to turn crummy D-men into good D-men by tweaking their positioning a little, he doesn't have a Benjamin Button potion to administer to John Tavares, and he's not going to be able to magically give Mitch Marner the balls to visit the middle of the offensive zone during the playoffs. The Blues were built completely different than the leafs are. Not to mention a stud Dman that I can’t be arsed to look up the spelling of his name Peterangelo Much will depend on what Treliving does with the roster too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 4 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I’m sure Berube won’t hurt. What worries me more is that the Leafs will go out and sign Zadorov this off-season. Any team signing him will regret the contract in the long run, but in the short term, he could make a huge impact - bringing that team exactly what it needs, a mobile, surprisingly skilled behemoth in the top-4. I Hope Vancouver signs him. The guy is a playoff performer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 6 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I Hope Vancouver signs him. The guy is a playoff performer A classic guy who seems overpaid in the regular season but has absolutely the right game and mindset for playoff hockey. He LOVES it and it shows. I doubt Van will be able to afford him, but perhaps if they let Hronek - who is basically the opposite - walk, as expected, they may be able to figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: A classic guy who seems overpaid in the regular season but has absolutely the right game and mindset for playoff hockey. He LOVES it and it shows. I doubt Van will be able to afford him, but perhaps if they let Hronek - who is basically the opposite - walk, as expected, they may be able to figure it out. It will be interesting to see how VAN manages their cap ... they have 14 current NHL contracts and almost $25M in cap space ... they need to re-sign Joshua and Lindholm are playing key roles up front, Hronek (RFA), Zadorov and Myers 20-ish minutes on defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: It will be interesting to see how VAN manages their cap ... they have 14 current NHL contracts and almost $25M in cap space ... they need to re-sign Joshua and Lindholm are playing key roles up front, Hronek (RFA), Zadorov and Myers 20-ish minutes on defence. I let Joshua and Hronek go...Myers will probably re-up at a reasonable rate. Lindholm and Zadorov are the tough calls, I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 11 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I let Joshua and Hronek go...Myers will probably re-up at a reasonable rate. Lindholm and Zadorov are the tough calls, I suspect. Hronek is a RD, scored 48 points and is only 26. Plus the Canucks gave up a 1st and 2nd for him, hard to believe they will just let him walk away for nothing but they they have tough decisions to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 18, 2024 Share Posted May 18, 2024 34 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Hronek is a RD, scored 48 points and is only 26. Plus the Canucks gave up a 1st and 2nd for him, hard to believe they will just let him walk away for nothing but they they have tough decisions to make. Yes, he’d be tough to walk away from, but so would any of those guys. The thing with Hronek is that he benefitted hugely from playing with Hughes and generally did not impress when separated from him, tailed off badly in the second half, and has been pretty ‘meh’ in these playoffs - all while looking for something like $7 mil per (according to rumour). So I’m saying that, assuming they can’t keep ‘em all, he’s probably one I let go. Then see if you can’t dredge the market for a plausible puck-mover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 21, 2024 Share Posted May 21, 2024 The #TBLightning have reacquired Ryan McDonagh (plus a fourth-round pick) from Nashville for a second- and seventh-round pick. Seems pretty cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 21, 2024 Share Posted May 21, 2024 10 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: The #TBLightning have reacquired Ryan McDonagh (plus a fourth-round pick) from Nashville for a second- and seventh-round pick. Seems pretty cheap His contract at 6.75 million per year for 2 more seasons, and his age, turning 35 in June, make his acquisition a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 21, 2024 Share Posted May 21, 2024 26 minutes ago, Commandant said: His contract at 6.75 million per year for 2 more seasons, and his age, turning 35 in June, make his acquisition a risk. Well there you go, that’s why it’s cheap I guess. 6.75 isn’t crazy but it’s not cheap either. That second year is gonna sting. Smart move by Nashville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 21, 2024 Share Posted May 21, 2024 1 hour ago, Commandant said: His contract at 6.75 million per year for 2 more seasons, and his age, turning 35 in June, make his acquisition a risk. Definitely a risk but I guess Tampa is going for it. They don't have a pick until the 4th round this year and the 3rd round the following year. They are emptying the cupboard to try and win it one more time. Do they have enough cap room to resign Stamkos? I guess it depends on what he is willing to sign for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 21, 2024 Share Posted May 21, 2024 32 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Definitely a risk but I guess Tampa is going for it. They don't have a pick until the 4th round this year and the 3rd round the following year. They are emptying the cupboard to try and win it one more time. Do they have enough cap room to resign Stamkos? I guess it depends on what he is willing to sign for. The risk is the cap space, not the picks of course. What does this move prevent you from doing on other fronts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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