MMPL Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Ribeiro= OVERRATED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Ribeiro= OVERRATED I'm not so sure about that! What if he gats another 75-85 point season...will you still consider him as over rated??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Ribeiro= OVERRATED Depends who you ask. For some people who see him as an elite forward, and one of the best centers in the game... yes.. however there are also many in this province who talk about him like he was garbage, a human being hardly worthy of breathing our air... I'm not a fan of Ribeiro - and it has nothing to do with his made up personality problems (I met the guy after a game in Sherbrooke, and he seemed like a pretty decent guy to me) - however I must admit that he possesses great vision and elite playmaking skills... but that's pretty all he's got going for him as he' got average hockey sense, weak-to-average overall abilities, and questionable determination and work ethics. He's a unidimentional player, and while his elite skill allows him to generate a lot opportunities, it also makes him very streaky and hard to match him up with other linemates (he's not someone that can play with anyone nor against any type of opponent). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMPL Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I might be harsh calling him overrated, but the guy has one good year and people think he is an elite player. If he can follow up that year with similar stats this year, then I will change my opinion but as of right now, I still think he is overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Mike Ribeiro For : Arguably top 10 passer in the league His vision / creating chances Able to slow down the play (to not dump the puck) Puck control Arguably top 10 deke moves in the league (something he can't use sometimes due to a lack of speed) Against : Speed Size One way forward Showoff (tend to decrease in Dallas) Might not go along well with somebody in a dressing room Defensive zone play neutral : Work ethic (i think it used to be bad for him, but since he's a father, since he moved in Dallas, there is no complaint anymore) Shot It just depends how you see it. I like the way he plays, I think he is hell of an offensive weapon on a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 It just depends how you see it. I like the way he plays, I think he is hell of an offensive weapon on a team. Mike Ribeiro is a specialist, really. He's not a guy you should need really on, and he's not someone who can send on the ice regardless of the context. Dallas is doing a very good job to use him where he can contribute the most, mostly on the powerplay and whenever the team is trailing. Other than that, Brad Richards is their number 1 centre while Mike Modano has become a shutdown centre who also plays in most clutch situations. In a way, he's pretty much the equivalent of Mark Streit for us last season. A strong asset in specific situations, but other than that you just give him his regular shift so he doesn't get too cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 In a way, he's pretty much the equivalent of Mark Streit for us last season. A strong asset in specific situations, but other than that you just give him his regular shift so he doesn't get too cold. I disagree, last year he averaged 18:25 per game, and this year he's playing almost 20 minutes per game(19:42). You don't give that kind of ice-time to a plyer you consider to be marginal. but the guy has one good year and people think he is an elite player. You seem to forget his 03-04 season where he lead the Habs in scoring(as a 23 year old). I'm not saying Ribs is the best player in the world, i'm just saying that many people can't seem to get past the stunt he pulled during a game a few years ago in Montreal. THe guy has grown up and is more mature today. He's definitely an offensive threat, and if the Stars didn't think he was a VALUABLE asset, they would not have offered him 25 million$ over 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I disagree, last year he averaged 18:25 per game, and this year he's playing almost 20 minutes per game(19:42). You don't give that kind of ice-time to a plyer you consider to be marginal. I never said he was a marginal player, only that he's a situational player. Ribeiro's ice-time varies a lot depending on game situation, he can play well over 20 minutes when Dallas gets a lot of powerplay opportunities, when they're trailing and they need a goal, and/or when they're blowing out their opponents like last night. However Ribeiro also sometimes plays 16 minutes when Dallas is leading by one or two goals, and when they don't get as many powerplays. All I meant is that he's not a great core player that you want to send on the ice as much as possible and in any possible scenario, whatever the situation is, I'm sure Dave Tippett doesn't even have to think before sending Brad Richards or even Mike Modano (although he probably has to be paced a little now). In Ribeiro's case, you have to be smarter, and use him according his strengths and weaknesses. He's a spcecialist, and they can be very useful if used properly. Personally, I prefer players that will perhaps give you fewer points, but that will give you more flexibility and consistency, for exemple a Jason Arnott, a Tomas Plekanec, a Mikko Koivu, a Brenden Morrow ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I love how every one of these type of threads gets hijacked into a Ribeiro thread. Compare, then move on guys. I believe Grabs was the best deal for us at the time. We'll have to see how it develops in the fututre. We couldn't take a run at the cup with him, but we can with Lang, so I think it's still a good deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 At this point, it's obvious the Grabs move for favourable for us. Whether the increased ice-time allows Grabs to develop into an effective player remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Ha ha, he started working on proving you wrong tonight. GO RIBS GO!!!!!! He's still a habs obviously...... quoting shakespere One night does not a season make. verily we shall see in May that which is hidden today. ok not really shakespere i just made it up as I went along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I'm not saying Ribs is the best player in the world, i'm just saying that many people can't seem to get past the stunt he pulled during a game a few years ago in Montreal. THe guy has grown up and is more mature today. He's definitely an offensive threat, and if the Stars didn't think he was a VALUABLE asset, they would not have offered him 25 million$ over 5 years. But it was never going to happen in Montreal. And no, can't get past the stunt, it was one of the worst things that's EVER happened in a Montreal Canadien uniform. We're supposed to be THE class organization. His actions make Mickey Mouse look grown up. That he's finally growing up in Dallas? Great for him. Could care less. He and Avery are the only two guys in hockey I'd actually like to see injured. Avery for being a detriment to the game itself, and Ribeiro for being an utter embarassment to the Habs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 quoting shakespere One night does not a season make. verily we shall see in May that which is hidden today. ok not really shakespere i just made it up as I went along Ya well, we all thought that last year and he kept getting points. All the best to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Ya well, we all thought that last year and he kept getting points. All the best to him. Speak for yourself. I'd pay real money to see him absolutely hammered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Ya well, we all thought that last year and he kept getting points. All the best to him. Personally I think he is little puke who will bale at the first sight of trouble and no my friend he is not still a habs he is now and always was a wanna be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 But it was never going to happen in Montreal. And no, can't get past the stunt, it was one of the worst things that's EVER happened in a Montreal Canadien uniform. We're supposed to be THE class organization. His actions make Mickey Mouse look grown up. That he's finally growing up in Dallas? Great for him. Could care less. He and Avery are the only two guys in hockey I'd actually like to see injured. Avery for being a detriment to the game itself, and Ribeiro for being an utter embarassment to the Habs. Oh please! Get off your high horse!! You wanna talk about real embarassments for the organization...how about having a drunk(alcoholic) on the team (Harvey)? How about all the stupid stunts done by Corson and Chelios in the late 80's? They were known to frequent a few unsavory establishments throughout the city during their stints in Montreal, and it's a proven fact that they enjoyed getting into trouble...why do you think Chelios was traded out of Montreal for a finished Denis Savard? How about Dryden refusing to play for the habs in 73-74 because he wanted more money. If your gonna piss on Ribeiro for that idiotic move, then you should piss on a bunch of players throughout the Habs history, cause there have been plenty of guys who have played for the Habs who weren't beyond reproach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Oh please! Get off your high horse!! You wanna talk about real embarassments for the organization...how about having a drunk(alcoholic) on the team (Harvey)? How about all the stupid stunts done by Corson and Chelios in the late 80's? They were known to frequent a few unsavory establishments throughout the city during their stints in Montreal, and it's a proven fact that they enjoyed getting into trouble...why do you think Chelios was traded out of Montreal for a finished Denis Savard? How about Dryden refusing to play for the habs in 73-74 because he wanted more money. If your gonna piss on Ribeiro for that idiotic move, then you should piss on a bunch of players throughout the Habs history, cause there have been plenty of guys who have played for the Habs who weren't beyond reproach! Those are things that don't enter into the average fans' equation. The average fan doesn't give a rats behind what happens off the ice. The AVERAGE fan sees this flopping fart giggling on the bench and hides his or her head in shame. Sure, many of us know better regarding some of those others, but it's not what happens off the ice that matters most. Every team in every sport has idiots off the ice. But classless buffoons? That dive made soccer players in Italy and Portugal look downright classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan84 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Refering to the Grabovski trade i just have one question, would he be playing consistetly for us right now? My answer is no since there would be no room for him so he would just get pissed off and want to leave us when he got the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I liked Grabs a lot and was sad to see him go. However he really did need to go though. Just like Samsanov Grabs would have become a cancer to the Habs organizations and cancer needs to be removed at the source asap before it spreads and does further damage. Teams cant have players around who arent happy and cause problems because it is contageous. The best thing to do is get rid of them. The Habs needed to get rid of Ribs too but for a different reason. The Habs had too many smallish "little girl" Centers at that point and I agree with Bob that it was smarter to get rid of the better known Ribs than to trade Pleks. We had all seen enough of Ribs antics to know what he can accomplish and we are just starting to see what Pleks can do and I fully agree that Pleks proably does have more potential. Like said the Habs are way better off with a large veteran centre in Lang than with a unknown smaller guy like Grabs for a prolonged playoff run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Reminds me of Miroschnischenko. true that. now, what about gillies? you don't want him anymore? where is the love? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Meh it's said Ribs popped his shoulder or smacked a nerve on that play, who knows? I know the Habs cultivated Ribs for many years, then let him go below what would become his value. Maybe that had to be done. Anyway personally I have nothing against Ribs, but interesting the comparison to Grabs brought such responses hehe. re : Grabs vs Ribs no matter whoever thinks or say : Ribeiro has proven he can produce in NHL (at what price though? at the price of a total lack of defensive awareness? of puck hogging? etc?) while, Grabovski hasn't proven that yet. Refering to the Grabovski trade i just have one question, would he be playing consistetly for us right now? My answer is no since there would be no room for him so he would just get pissed off and want to leave us when he got the chance. We got a 2nd and a big Dman prospect. The 2nd round pick got us Robert Lang. Lang has 3 goals 2 assists. Grabovki has 1 goal. The dman is the cherry on the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 (edited) Thought I would wake up this thread it's been a little lonely for a week or so....... Grabs pots two as Leafs lose. That should stir the pot for some....... Edited November 3, 2008 by HABBER-oooooKNOWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Those are things that don't enter into the average fans' equation. The average fan doesn't give a rats behind what happens off the ice. The AVERAGE fan sees this flopping fart giggling on the bench and hides his or her head in shame. Sure, many of us know better regarding some of those others, but it's not what happens off the ice that matters most. Every team in every sport has idiots off the ice. But classless buffoons? That dive made soccer players in Italy and Portugal look downright classy. So you have no problem with Kovalev, who is famous for his stunt in NY, which has still not been forgotten by the refs. The fact is that if you don't like a player, for whatever reason, then these incidences will be trot out with great convenience, while if you like a player, you will ignore them. The truth is always in the middle. Ribs may have dove, he may not have. Who cares. He is one of the top centers in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Thought I would wake up this thread it's been a little lonely for a week or so....... Grabs pots two as Leafs lose. That should stir the pot for some....... Whomever it stirs the pot for would probably rather have Streit, Ribeiro and Grabovski over Markov Plekanec and Lang. So the hell with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 So you have no problem with Kovalev, who is famous for his stunt in NY, which has still not been forgotten by the refs. The fact is that if you don't like a player, for whatever reason, then these incidences will be trot out with great convenience, while if you like a player, you will ignore them. The truth is always in the middle. Ribs may have dove, he may not have. Who cares. He is one of the top centers in the league. The slash? Infinitely more believable than whatever the hell Ribsy was trying to prove. One of the top centres in the league? I assume by "top" you mean top 50 or something, because if you mean top 10 or even 20, I'd have to completely disagree. Top 30 is a large stretch for me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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