BTH Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 That is a possibility as long as Bouillon becomes the 7th defenceman or at least shares the 6th spot with O'Byrne. If we could get our hands on Schneider that would make Dandenault completely expendable, after already losing his depth spot at forward. He could go in the trade and then I'd imagine we'd have to give a young asset as well, I wonder if Gainey could get away with giving only a second round pick, he'll want to hang onto the 1st for the draft we're hosting. I'll have to go check Scheider's stats from last season but I believe other GMs will can call him a 5.5M 38 year old, coming off a mediocre season and being actively shopped - that would give us enough leverage to get him for a low price. Few teams will be willing to take a player at that age on that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Habs In On McCabe? :lool: The Montreal Canadiens have apparently jumped into the Bryan McCabe sweepstakes. While the Leafs have a deal worked out with the Panthers, until it is finalized, anything can happen. The Habs are interested in aquiring the veteran blueliner if they cannot land Sundin, and apparently would be willing to give Toronto a better package than the one Florida is offering. Montreal was not on Bryan McCabe's list of teams he would go to, but the Leafs apparently have notified McCabe of the Canadiens' interest, and he is thinking it over Hockeyleaks.com Rumors Just when we all thought rumours couldn't get anymore wacko...now this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Habs In On McCabe? :lool: Hockeyleaks.com Rumors Just when we all thought rumours couldn't get anymore wacko...now this. Absolutely ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 (edited) Absolutely ridiculous. I was going to say something based on the idea that McCabe's actual salary for the back end of his contract is less than it was in the front, but then I read that his cap hit will be $5.75 for the next three seasons. If Gainey takes him, it will be a blunder of Houle-like proportions. Edited August 22, 2008 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAKS-AVENUE Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I was going to say something based on the idea that McCabe's actual salary for the back end of his contract is less than it was in the front, but then I read that his cap hit will be $5.75 for the next three seasons. If Gainey takes him, it will be a blunder of Houle-like proportions. There is absolutely no way this is anywhere near the truth. Now the media is reaching and it's actually very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 There is absolutely no way this is anywhere near the truth. Now the media is reaching and it's actually very sad. Agreed...if Bob was the kind of GM who'd be foolish enough to overpay for a PP specialist on the blueline, he would have kept Souray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 (edited) just the kind of crap to come out of Toronto. This story is so ludicrous that I'm not even worried about it! Bob would NEVER make that kind of mistake! In BOB we trust! Edited August 22, 2008 by Habsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 More then likely the reason BG isn't interested in McCabe is the Habs have 3 good RD as it is. The other is he does have a hammer from the point, but he is pretty much worthless when he isn't shooting the puck. Sounds like a couple D men the habs didn't resign recently. Everyone gets all worked up because he is a Leaf. Calm down people, rumors are rumors, BG has proven he won't over pay people. Samsonov was a bust but he wasn't grossly overpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Agreed...if Bob was the kind of GM who'd be foolish enough to overpay for a PP specialist on the blueline, he would have kept Souray. Didn't Bob Gainey offer Souray a huge, multi-year contract? I'm glad his plans A, B, C ... all failed until we signed THE guy we needed, Roman Hamrlik. He provided the stability, consistency, and great overall play that we so badly needed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Everyone gets all worked up because he is a Leaf. Calm down people, rumors are rumors, BG has proven he won't over pay people. Again, I we talking about the same BobGainey who tried to sign a unidimentional smallish centre like Daniel Briere to a ridiculously large and long contract? Gainey has done some good things, but we have to stop giving him credit for his failures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I said he was a bust, just not an expensive bust. BG has made some mistakes, they just weren't long term, expensive problems and he quickly corrected those problems. The facts are he tried to over pay some people but know one signed. So maybe Briere would have flopped or been dominant, know one knows because he didn't sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I said he was a bust, just not an expensive bust. BG has made some mistakes, they just weren't long term, expensive problems and he quickly corrected those problems. The facts are he tried to over pay some people but know one signed. So maybe Briere would have flopped or been dominant, know one knows because he didn't sign. It's just people give so much credit to Bob Gainey for his failures. Many people praise Gainey for not signing long term contracts... when really he just failed to. Many people praise his patience with prospects and that he gives them chance... when really many of them got their first true chance because Gainey failed to sign players (Briere, Shanahan, Elias, ...), or that the players he signed got injured or disappoint. Many praise Bob Gainey fotr signing Roman Hamrlik... when really he failed to sign at least Souray and Rafalski (that we know of) before him. Gainey has made some pretty good decisions... and some pretty bad ones. It's ok, it's normal. There's no need to turn everything into positives, and it's ok to admit he got a little lucky at times (ex. the emergence of Huet) just like he had some bad luck (ex. the collapse of Theodore). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 The BG thread is NOT here. Please take your discussions in the appropriate thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Yes folks, T.O. was the black hole where all UFA's and players would be rumoured to end up. It seems our 1st overall result in the conference makes us the media darling for the new "blackhole" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 As for McCabe... FACT is, he wouldn't hurt. We can't deny that as a #4 on our team, he might even kick asses (paired with Hamrlik)... Heck, If Briser could look good at times when paired with Hamrlik... I can't imagine McCabe, who at times was part of the best offensive dmen in the league. However, there are other facts to consider ... and this is where most of us, habs fans, do not really want McCabe here. 1. his long and fat contract would impair our ability to improve at other positions while we do not really have such a big of a flaw at defense. it never hurts to improve on one of your strengths... but it might be better to improve on "bigger flaws" before. 2. most of us, habs fans, are really in love with O'byrne and have locked him down already as the #4 dman for the next 35 years. 3. most of us, habs fans, loathe everything coming from the "Canada's team". even at first with Sundin, some didn't want him because he was from the leafs... so these are reasons why we do not really want him and why we think this rumour is bogus... however, you have to wake up early to make me believe that he wouldn't improve our team if we only added him without substracting anyone but Brisebois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 In pure hockey terms, I actually think McCabe would be a decent acquisition. It's the salary, which is long-term and massive, that's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 In pure hockey terms, I actually think McCabe would be a decent acquisition. It's the salary, which is long-term and massive, that's the problem. That's why I think the Schneider possibility has legs... it's only a one year contract for a similar type of d-man (experienced, 2nd pair, offensively inclined). McCabe wouldn't be horrible if it were for just one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Cerebus, come on man, failing to sign Souray? He is a one trick pony and so over rated it's not even funny. The PP was still #1 without him. How do you think the Oilers are liking that signing right now? The defense is far supior to it was just 2 years ago. The Hamrlik move was his best, the D is way better with Hamrlik back there, considering some of the recent signings, Hamrlik is a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Cerebus, come on man, failing to sign Souray? He is a one trick pony and so over rated it's not even funny. The PP was still #1 without him. How do you think the Oilers are liking that signing right now? The defense is far supior to it was just 2 years ago. The Hamrlik move was his best, the D is way better with Hamrlik back there, considering some of the recent signings, Hamrlik is a steal. I agree with all that, which is why I was saying we should not resign Souray. I also mentioned often that we should sign Hamrlik, and well before he actually did. Of all the UFA defensemen, he's THE one I wanted us to sign. I think you misinterpreted my comments. I'm saying Bob Gainey tried to sign Souray, which would have been a huge mistake... I never said we should have signed him... I was just pointed that fact to someone who said Gainey would never give big long-term money to a guy like McCabe (or Souray); he tried to, but failed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Sorry, i must have. I thought you meant getting Hamrlik was bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 As for McCabe... FACT is, he wouldn't hurt. We can't deny that as a #4 on our team, he might even kick asses (paired with Hamrlik)... Heck, If Briser could look good at times when paired with Hamrlik... I can't imagine McCabe, who at times was part of the best offensive dmen in the league. However, there are other facts to consider ... and this is where most of us, habs fans, do not really want McCabe here. 1. his long and fat contract would impair our ability to improve at other positions while we do not really have such a big of a flaw at defense. it never hurts to improve on one of your strengths... but it might be better to improve on "bigger flaws" before. 2. most of us, habs fans, are really in love with O'byrne and have locked him down already as the #4 dman for the next 35 years. 3. most of us, habs fans, loathe everything coming from the "Canada's team". even at first with Sundin, some didn't want him because he was from the leafs... so these are reasons why we do not really want him and why we think this rumour is bogus... however, you have to wake up early to make me believe that he wouldn't improve our team if we only added him without substracting anyone but Brisebois. Here's another reason why i don'T want to see McCabe in a Habs uniform. He's just as much of a defensive liability as Breezer is. He might have some offensive upside to his game, but his defensive skills really suck. And he costs way too much money for too long. No thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Here's another reason why i don'T want to see McCabe in a Habs uniform. He's just as much of a defensive liability as Breezer is. He might have some offensive upside to his game, but his defensive skills really suck. And he costs way too much money for too long. No thanks! I agree. McCabe is too expensive considering he still has a few years to his contracts, and he'll only be taking a roster sport from how many prospects coming. I think the best thing to do is wait, and see after a month or two whether a guy like Gorges or Komisarek could not successfully take on more offensive responsibilities (or a forward like Sergei Kostsitsyn who could play the blue line on the PP), or otherwise if a prospect like Mathieu Carle or even Yannick Weber (who knows, he might adapt quickly, and force his way up) could not be called up, and play that role. If not and if necessary, depending on how other teams perform during regular season, then perhaps guys like Schneider, Morris, Spacek ... could become rental players for the remainder of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Agreed...if Bob was the kind of GM who'd be foolish enough to overpay for a PP specialist on the blueline, he would have kept Souray. Except Souray is worth the money he's getting. There's a big difference between Souray and McCabe. A healthy Souray is one of the most dominant offensive defenceman in the league. A healthy McCabe is just a replacement for Streit. We let Streit, a player our team had chemistry with, walk for 4 million, I doubt we pay a big package to get McCabe, a new player, for 5.75M. Schneider is a much better situation. He would give us some more leadership which we could use and it would probably be for only one year which is a good thing. We've got O'Byrne, Gorges and a ton of D prospects that'll need some icetime over the next 3-5 years, we can't afford to lock a veteran up long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted August 23, 2008 Share Posted August 23, 2008 (edited) Except Souray is worth the money he's getting. There's a big difference between Souray and McCabe. A healthy Souray is one of the most dominant offensive defenceman in the league. A healthy McCabe is just a replacement for Streit. We let Streit, a player our team had chemistry with, walk for 4 million, I doubt we pay a big package to get McCabe, a new player, for 5.75M. Schneider is a much better situation. He would give us some more leadership which we could use and it would probably be for only one year which is a good thing. We've got O'Byrne, Gorges and a ton of D prospects that'll need some icetime over the next 3-5 years, we can't afford to lock a veteran up long term. BTH I totally disagree that Souray is worth 5 mill per year, he is a pp specialist who is a huge defensive liability He's been undressed on the ice so many times he has jock straps in every city I never thought we should sign him last year and i was proven right cause 1 more time he is injured and out for most of the season. like the guy but I was so happy he signed with edmonton, they deserve him. Pay him to visit the infirmary. I could see bringing back the shneid for 1 year, probably to finish his career cause I don't think he has much left. We could scrap some deadwood like dandy kostopolous to make room for him. Edited August 23, 2008 by habs rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted August 23, 2008 Author Share Posted August 23, 2008 BTH I totally disagree that Souray is worth 5 mill per year, he is a pp specialist who is a huge defensive liability. Agreed. His only advantage over Streit is size and strength. In terms of effectiveness, they are quite similar. I don't think Streit is worth 4 million, nor do I think Souray is worth 1.5 million more than Streit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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