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[Fanpuck33]

On 7/21/2024 at 7:03 PM, TurdBurglar said:

 

Roy instilled a culture in the team in the 3 years he was there.  To be a fair comparison you'd have to believe Babcock instilled the same level of culture to be equally disrupted by the change.  I agree Larsen would be a better comparison, but the discussion was about Babcock's nearly non-existant tenure somehow sabotaging Vincent.

 

Apparently we're having different discussions because that was never a point I was arguing one way or the other.  The length of the previous coach's tenure, whether Roy, Babcock, or Larsen is irrelevant.  The argument was never that the Babcock situation itself sabotaged Vincent.  It was whether Vincent, having been hired so late in the process, ever had a chance once he had the job.

[TurdBurglar]

1 hour ago, Fanpuck33 said:

 

Apparently we're having different discussions because that was never a point I was arguing one way or the other.  The length of the previous coach's tenure, whether Roy, Babcock, or Larsen is irrelevant.  The argument was never that the Babcock situation itself sabotaged Vincent.  It was whether Vincent, having been hired so late in the process, ever had a chance once he had the job.

 

On 7/19/2024 at 12:22 PM, GHT120 said:

It's possible ... but I wonder how much the "well was poisoned" for the CBJs last season, and for Vincent as a HC, by the Babcock fiasco.

 

This is where the idea came from and what we were discussing.  My original post was the Babcock situation was too short lived to poison the well, then someone else started with the sabotage stuff, which is where this all got derailed. 

[Fanpuck33]

17 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:

This is where the idea came from and what we were discussing.  My original post was the Babcock situation was too short lived to poison the well, then someone else started with the sabotage stuff, which is where this all got derailed. 

 

Exactly.  Neither Commandant nor I made the comment that you fixated on.  We had moved on from that and were discussing Vincent's tenure in more general terms, not just related to GHT's initial comment.

[Commandant]

Of course we can point to Berube coming in midseason in St. Louis, or Knoblauch last year with the Oilers and say its possible to have a good record without a training camp.  But the reality is that the Blues had talent, and found a goalie to go on an epic run shortly after hiring Berube, and the Oilers had McDavid and Draisaitl. 

 

That Columbus team had limited talent, as seen by results under the previous coach.  He was never succeeding with limited talent and limited time to put in a disciplined system. 

 

[TurdBurglar]

16 hours ago, Fanpuck33 said:

 

Exactly.  Neither Commandant nor I made the comment that you fixated on.  We had moved on from that and were discussing Vincent's tenure in more general terms, not just related to GHT's initial comment.

Commandant made the sabotage comment, which is what you were replying to my comment about.  I understand you may not of been talking about it later, but that's the comment chain I was replying to. 

[Commandant]

2 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Commandant made the sabotage comment, which is what you were replying to my comment about.  I understand you may not of been talking about it later, but that's the comment chain I was replying to. 

 

I never once claimed that Babcock sabotaged him.... Not once. 

 

I said he was sabotaged by being put in a shit show of an organization. 

 

There is a difference and you still don't get it. 

[TurdBurglar]

39 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

I never once claimed that Babcock sabotaged him.... Not once. 

 

I said he was sabotaged by being put in a shit show of an organization. 

 

There is a difference and you still don't get it. 

I didn't say you said that.  This whole idea of Babcock sabotaging Vincent came from you, not that you said that's what happened, but it came from you then you implied that's what I was saying.  You literally made the situation up and first tried to imply I was saying it, now saying that I'm accusing you of saying it.  Nobody claimed Vincent was sabotaged, you brought up the idea that he was by CBJ.  You're the one who planted the idea of a coach being affected a previous coach leaving abruptly.  In the same comment none-the-less. The conversation was done, over.  I responded to fanpuck and then you implied I was saying Babcock sabotaged him.  I corrected it, you denied doing it.  Now you're switching your stance to I said you claimed Babcock sabotaged him.  Stop putting words in my mouth that's 100% coming from you.  This is the second time you've done it.  You've said before you don't want someone to do it to you, so stop being a hypocrite by doing it to others.

 

That's is the real difference, you're the one who made up this sabotage narrative and keep blaming me for it.  Go back through every one of my comments, I never once blamed Babcock directly for any of it.  That all came from you.  Stop making shit up and blaming me.

 

 

[Commandant]

*Insert roll eyes gif*

 

You keep misreading my posts and accusing me of saying something ive never said. 

 

Let it ####ing go man.... please.

 

It doesnt ####ing matter.

 

Ive wasted far too much time on this.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

A bit surreal to have, like, two pages of heated arguing over the Columbus Blue Jackets on this site. #summerdoldrums 

[TurdBurglar]

Just now, Commandant said:

*Insert roll eyes gif*

 

Let it ####ing go man.... please.

Then stop bringing it up.  Don't keep dredging shit up, making more shit up and telling me to let it go. 

[Commandant]

Just now, TurdBurglar said:

Then stop bringing it up.  Don't keep dredging shit up, making more shit up and telling me to let it go. 

 

You just wrote a 400 word post about it.

[TurdBurglar]

3 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

You just wrote a 4 paragraph post about it.  

Very good.  It was in response to you blaming me for shit you made up.  You could try not doing that maybe?

[Commandant]

2 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Very good.  It was in response to you making shit up.  You could try not doing that maybe?

 

I havent made up a damn thing.  Youre going on ignore now.

 

Others have already told you that i never claimed anything about Babcock sabotaging Vincent, and you cant let it go.  Your reading comprehension is failing you

[TurdBurglar]

19 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

I havent made up a damn thing.  Youre going on ignore now.

 

Others have already told you that i never claimed anything about Babcock sabotaging Vincent, and you cant let it go.  Your reading comprehension is failing you

The entire idea came from you dude.  You blamed me for saying it then accused me of saying you said it.  This entire situation is you making shit up and now you're tossing out insults.  Seriously, read the comments, it came from you and you're the one making shit up assigning blame.  Now you're just flat out lying.  You can't even be accountable for your own actions.

[GHT120]

41 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

The entire idea came from you dude.  You blamed me for saying it then accused me of saying you said it.  This entire situation is you making shit up and now you're tossing out insults.  Seriously, read the comments, it came from you and you're the one making shit up assigning blame.  Now you're just flat out lying.  You can't even be accountable for your own actions.

 

Could EVERYONE please just walk-away and stop discussing who said what about who, or about what, concerning this ... please

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

A bit surreal to have, like, two pages of heated arguing over the Columbus Blue Jackets on this site. #summerdoldrums 

 

Yes, I stayed out of that one as I don't really recall with any great clarity what was going on with Columbus at the time. 

 

Time for a trade to end the summer doldrums!!  But I trust Hughes will strike at just the right time when we have totally given up that anything will happen. 

[Fanpuck33]

Oh my.  This really exploded in the comments that I wasn't directly quoted in.

[Commandant]

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

36 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Let’s go Hughes

 

I saw a short video a couple of weeks ago with Laine training in Florida with NFL players. 
 

He looked good 

[Dalhabs]

Id trade Gallagher + a 2nd rounder for him. Think they would bite? 😁

Anderson and a 4th?

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

5 minutes ago, Dalhabs said:

Id trade Gallagher + a 2nd rounder for him. Think they would bite? 😁

Anderson and a 4th?

I would pay to see Waddell's reaction at an offer like that. 

[GHT120]

8 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I would pay to see Waddell's reaction at an offer like that. 

It would be interesting ... I kind of like both ideas ... might throw Harris, Barron or Struble in if necessary ... but Laine is coming off shoulder surgery, so in addition to wanting to talk to him vis-a-vis player assistance experience he would need a physical-medical review.

 

I guess Don's reaction would depend on the level of interest across the league ... is anyone willing to offer actual assets in a "hockey trade", or does everyone want to either offset Laine's contract with their own problems or maybe just take Laine "off their hands"?

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

31 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

It would be interesting ... I kind of like both ideas ... might throw Harris, Barron or Struble in if necessary ... but Laine is coming off shoulder surgery, so in addition to wanting to talk to him vis-a-vis player assistance experience he would need a physical-medical review.

 

I guess Don's reaction would depend on the level of interest across the league ... is anyone willing to offer actual assets in a "hockey trade", or does everyone want to either offset Laine's contract with their own problems or maybe just take Laine "off their hands"?

I love both ideas but suspect Waddell wouldn't. To get back anything meaningful in a trade Columbus will have to eat part of his contract. At 40 or 50% retention  I suspect there would be significant interest. If Columbus isn't willing to retain or take back another bad contract then Laine's value is pretty much zero in my opinion.

[tomh009]

58 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I love both ideas but suspect Waddell wouldn't. To get back anything meaningful in a trade Columbus will have to eat part of his contract. At 40 or 50% retention  I suspect there would be significant interest. If Columbus isn't willing to retain or take back another bad contract then Laine's value is pretty much zero in my opinion.

At the moment Columbus has lots of cap space to do a retention, but we don't know what their plans are for that space. Getting them to take Anderson (with the hope for a rebound) would be beautiful but I expect they would also need some significant additional asset.

 

Laine at 25% retained for a young LD?

[GHT120]

1 minute ago, tomh009 said:

At the moment Columbus has lots of cap space to do a retention, but we don't know what their plans are for that space. Getting them to take Anderson (with the hope for a rebound) would be beautiful but I expect they would also need some significant additional asset.

 

Laine at 25% retained for a young LD?

Not named Guhle or Hutson ...