dlbalr Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Would Belzile score on the fourth line? Probably not so the lack of offence from Condotta doesn't matter. Condotta at least brings decent skating and physicality, elements that a fourth line can use. I'm still unsure what qualities you think Belzile can bring. Who says the post-Monahan recall has to be a centre? They still have Suzuki, Dvorak, and Evans. There's three. They're still going to have Pitlick and Drouin who St. Louis, for better or for worse, has used as centres. For six weeks down the stretch, they don't have to have another centre. Especially a centre that isn't a centre and has less NHL experience as a centre despite being older than the other two non-centres that they could use as a centre. If you want Belzile up, that's one thing. But don't make the argument about him being a better option down the middle. He isn't. Winning a few faceoffs in the minors doesn't qualify a career winger to be a centre in the NHL. What's better for the Habs? Belzile centring the fourth line with Harvey-Pinard or Ylonen in the minors or Drouin centring the fourth line and one of Harvey-Pinard or Ylonen with the Canadiens? Developmentally speaking, the latter is much better for the organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Best wishes to all in 2023. I have managed to make most people mad in 2022 I hope the Habs have a fire sale at the deadline and that they call place holders not really needed for a valse cup drive in Laval. Because I still hope for something g positive for the AHL team But, you know I know manure, compost and shit about hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 1, 2023 Author Share Posted January 1, 2023 Ahhh, Alfredo, please don't be so sensitive. This is an Internet forum, and we're talking about a topic that we're all passionate about, so discussion can get heated sometimes without anyone intending any offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Well, I am stuck at Pearson until 5am or 6am when they open US customs to let me board my next flight So, I am not on my cheeriest disposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Defencemen dropping like flies up and down the organization ... dipping onto the ECHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Nice comeback to get the point at least - they pulled Primeau down 4-1 and scored three times without allowing an empty-netter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 https://theahl.com/stats/game-center/1024404 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 8, 2023 Author Share Posted January 8, 2023 4-2 loss, in spite of outshooting the Marlies 58-17. Goaltending has been a Laval weak point this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Only Schueneman and Norlinder remain from Ds at beginning of the season: injuries piling up in Laval with no management interest in helping as far as it has been reported! La brigade défensive du Rocket est encore plus décimée avec la blessure de Nicolas Beaudin. Il ne reste que Corey Schueneman et Mattias Norlinder qui faisaient partie de la formation inaugurale. Cinq blessés à la ligne bleue. https://t.co/e4XfLcdmE9 — Anthony Marcotte (@anthonymarcotte) January 10, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 Management priority is the Canadiens, not the Rocket, that's the way it's always been and likely always will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 we used to complaint when the Hamilton Bulldogs were mismanaged to they point the Habs were booted out. It seems odd that an organization that said would focus on development has abandoned their farm team. Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 48 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Only Schueneman and Norlinder remain from Ds at beginning of the season: injuries piling up in Laval with no management interest in helping as far as it has been reported! Help how? They are not going to trade for players with NHL contracts just to play in Laval ... they only have 4 contract slots available ... short of sending down Harris, WiFi or Kovacevic, the most they could do right now likely would be to send down Barron and call up whichever of Norlinder, Trudeau or Schueneman is playing the least to be the 7D with the Habs ... which would not be good for the call-up but might reinforce The Rocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: we used to complaint when the Hamilton Bulldogs were mismanaged to they point the Habs were booted out. It seems odd that an organization that said would focus on development has abandoned their farm team. Just saying... I-M-O they don't really have any players in Laval that will ever be anything more than marginal NHLers (10-11-12-13 forwards line, 6-7 D) ... and at this point I am including Barron ... earlier this morning on TSN Marc Denis (I believe) said that JB was the 1D in Laval by default and that while he has put up some good offensive numbers, he can't really handle the physicality of defence in the AHL, let alone the NHL ... I will start to "worry about" Laval's development success when they have some legit prospects in the AHL that aren't progressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 I wouldn't quite write off Barron, Norlinder or Ylonen yet. But especially the defensive corps is thin in Laval because the Habs needed four-plus of the rookie defencemen. In another situation, Harris and Xhekaj would probably have started their seasons in Laval. And, as I recall, Kovacevic is not waivers-exempt so he will not be sent down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: we used to complaint when the Hamilton Bulldogs were mismanaged to they point the Habs were booted out. It seems odd that an organization that said would focus on development has abandoned their farm team. Just saying... I complained that the team was being coached by someone who wasn't developping prospects properly I dont' give a shit if the AHL team wins or loses, its all about development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Help how? They are not going to trade for players with NHL contracts just to play in Laval ... they only have 4 contract slots available ... short of sending down Harris, WiFi or Kovacevic, the most they could do right now likely would be to send down Barron and call up whichever of Norlinder, Trudeau or Schueneman is playing the least to be the 7D with the Habs ... which would not be good for the call-up but might reinforce The Rocket. Well, not all bad, that player would be making about $10K per game for being on the NHL roster, rather than $1K. So there is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, GHT120 said: I-M-O they don't really have any players in Laval that will ever be anything more than marginal NHLers (10-11-12-13 forwards line, 6-7 D) ... and at this point I am including Barron ... earlier this morning on TSN Marc Denis (I believe) said that JB was the 1D in Laval by default and that while he has put up some good offensive numbers, he can't really handle the physicality of defence in the AHL, let alone the NHL ... I will start to "worry about" Laval's development success when they have some legit prospects in the AHL that aren't progressing. He's 21. If the issue is handling physicality, he certainly has time to bulk up. I'd be more worried if it was a skill issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, Commandant said: He's 21. If the issue is handling physicality, he certainly has time to bulk up. I'd be more worried if it was a skill issue. I hope he does ... just not setting expectations very high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutarch Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 49 minutes ago, Commandant said: He's 21. If the issue is handling physicality, he certainly has time to bulk up. I'd be more worried if it was a skill issue. He is 21 and hasn't played a lot of hockey over the past few years. 18 - 19-20 in q 34/62 due to blood clot issues (no skating BC blades + blood thinners are no bueno... not sure on working out) 19 - 20-21 mainly in q 40 games total due to pandemic. 20 - 21-22 mainly in ahl only 48 games and an April ankle injury which probably impacted his offseason. He will need more time to season. Great skater, offensive upside, solid frame to put weight on. He should be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Plutarch said: He is 21 and hasn't played a lot of hockey over the past few years. 18 - 19-20 in q 34/62 due to blood clot issues (no skating BC blades + blood thinners are no bueno... not sure on working out) 19 - 20-21 mainly in q 40 games total due to pandemic. 20 - 21-22 mainly in ahl only 48 games and an April ankle injury which probably impacted his offseason. He will need more time to season. Great skater, offensive upside, solid frame to put weight on. He should be fine. Great points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: I-M-O they don't really have any players in Laval that will ever be anything more than marginal NHLers (10-11-12-13 forwards line, 6-7 D) ... and at this point I am including Barron ... earlier this morning on TSN Marc Denis (I believe) said that JB was the 1D in Laval by default and that while he has put up some good offensive numbers, he can't really handle the physicality of defence in the AHL, let alone the NHL ... I will start to "worry about" Laval's development success when they have some legit prospects in the AHL that aren't progressing. I heard the same and Anthony Marcotte has made similar comments to the dire state of the Ds in Laval. I do not understand how the Habs are handling Ds’ development not with the NHL team Injust don’t know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I heard the same and Anthony Marcotte has made similar comments to the dire state of the Ds in Laval. I do not understand how the Habs are handling Ds’ development not with the NHL team Injust don’t know Actual legit question here. When you have 4-5 rookie Ds in the NHL, and you have others in Lane Hutson and Logan Mailloux playing in NCAA and OHL, and then Norlinder is injured, where are these AHL prospect Ds supposed to come from? How many do prospect Ds do you expect an organization to have? Yeah there is no real prospects on D in Laval right now (and Barron/Norlinder would have been the only ones earlier) but what do you expect in a pipeline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I heard the same and Anthony Marcotte has made similar comments to the dire state of the Ds in Laval. I do not understand how the Habs are handling Ds’ development not with the NHL team Injust don’t know Those are two different issues. There are few D prospects in Laval since most of them are playing with the Habs (see my earlier post) and you can develop prospects that are not on the team. They would only be able to work with Barron (who has done pretty well in Laval) and Norlinder, that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 45 minutes ago, Commandant said: Actual legit question here. When you have 4-5 rookie Ds in the NHL, and you have others in Lane Hutson and Logan Mailloux playing in NCAA and OHL, and then Norlinder is injured, where are these AHL prospect Ds supposed to come from? How many do prospect Ds do you expect an organization to have? Yeah there is no real prospects on D in Laval right now (and Barron/Norlinder would have been the only ones earlier) but what do you expect in a pipeline? Commandant, I won't answer. It will lead to another long back and forth were you will try to win an argument. I'll pass on this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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