Habsfan Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 NO Absolutley not. Yeah! I didn't think so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mont Royale Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 (edited) Just saw Bryzgalov was put on waivers. He's pretty good - hopefully the Leafs don't end up with him, or anyone else in the east. Tampa would be licking their chops, I would think...? Edited November 16, 2007 by Mont Royale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 Just saw Bryzgalov was put on waivers. He's pretty good - hopefully the Leafs end up with him, or anyone else in the east. Tampa would be licking their chops, I would think...? That is shocking. I would have thought he'd be serious trade bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 That is shocking. I would have thought he'd be serious trade bait. just look around. who needs a goalie that bad ?? besides teams in ducks divison, there are few. I don't think that burke is ready to trade a quality goalie in his own division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 just look around. who needs a goalie that bad ?? besides teams in ducks divison, there are few. I don't think that burke is ready to trade a quality goalie in his own division. besides TO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 That is shocking. I would have thought he'd be serious trade bait. It is amazing that TB would not give up a 2nd rounder for Bryzgalov. I also love the fact that the Leafs gave up a 1st for Raycroft and Toskala and Phoenix picked up Bryzgalov for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 It is amazing that TB would not give up a 2nd rounder for Bryzgalov. I also love the fact that the Leafs gave up a 1st for Raycroft and Toskala and Phoenix picked up Bryzgalov for nothing. The highest pick they've had in a few years for Toskala and the second best goalie prospect in the world for Raycroft. If Tampa claimed Bryzgalov they would just have to waive one of Denis and Holmqvist, a move that wouldn't give Mr. Feaster much respect from other GMs, not to mention players. The most important thing about GMing is probably remembering that you're dealing with human beings and not just names in your video games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markierung Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 i don't think other GMs and players would really be angry if Feaster waived Marc Denis who has been underpreforming for the last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 i don't think other GMs and players would really be angry if Feaster waived Marc Denis who has been underpreforming for the last year. But it's not very honourable to play musical chairs with your players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 If Tampa claimed Bryzgalov they would just have to waive one of Denis and Holmqvist, a move that wouldn't give Mr. Feaster much respect from other GMs, not to mention players. How exactly would waiving Marc Denis hurt Feaster's reputation? The guy's numbers are horrible, he isn't getting the job done. A GMs job is to put together the best team possible. Denis was given every chance to succeed last season and he was beaten out by a nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 But it's not very honourable to play musical chairs with your players. You're overstating humanity, and understating the desire to ice the best team possible (which players do respect). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 You're overstating humanity, and understating the desire to ice the best team possible (which players do respect). Guys like Gainey and Burke get respect though while guys like Lowe (who are doing all they can do ice the best team possible) and known as playing dirty. If you want respect there are plenty of unwritten rules you have to follow and Gainey likes to follow that code. And if you don't have respect, certain teams may not want to trade with you anymore (Edmonton lost 2 potential trading partners in Buffalo and Anaheim), hurting your chances of icing the best team possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 Guys like Gainey and Burke get respect though while guys like Lowe (who are doing all they can do ice the best team possible) and known as playing dirty. If you want respect there are plenty of unwritten rules you have to follow and Gainey likes to follow that code. And if you don't have respect, certain teams may not want to trade with you anymore (Edmonton lost 2 potential trading partners in Buffalo and Anaheim), hurting your chances of icing the best team possible. And what unwritten rule says you can't waive a goalie who is playing like crap, to make room for a goalie who has won playoff series and is still relatively young? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyhasbeen Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 (edited) Tampa could not have picked him up on waivers as Pheonix has the worst record. They would have had to make a trade before he was waivered. Edited November 20, 2007 by johnnyhasbeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 Tampa could not have picked him up on waivers as Pheonix has the worst record. They would have had to make a trade before he was waivered. That doesn't have anything to do with the point I'm trying to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 And what unwritten rule says you can't waive a goalie who is playing like crap, to make room for a goalie who has won playoff series and is still relatively young? It's more respectful to only claim players off waivers when you have an opening for them. Denis is a good goalie who's playing bad because he has a garbage defence in front of him. It's disrespectful to just replace him with the new guy and send him packing. If you want to make a trade, that's another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Denis has been playing terribly for the past year and a half. There's a reason Holmqvist is getting plenty of starts. As well, who says that GM's aren't above doing that anyway? Look at the Devils and Lou Lamoriello who waived Alexander Mogilny (much better than Marc Denis) and had him playing in the AHL for part of a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The highest pick they've had in a few years for Toskala and the second best goalie prospect in the world for Raycroft. If Tampa claimed Bryzgalov they would just have to waive one of Denis and Holmqvist, a move that wouldn't give Mr. Feaster much respect from other GMs, not to mention players. The most important thing about GMing is probably remembering that you're dealing with human beings and not just names in your video games. Tampa was never going to be able to claim Bryzgalov. Doesn't the waiver order go in inverse order of standing? But they could have given up a 2nd round pick for him. I don't think it is Feaster's responsibility to keep Denis in the NHL. If his play stinks than see you later. If GMs had to do that then Fiset and Fichaud would still be in the league. Denis has never been able to step up and take the starting jobs that have been handed to him. Where is his responsibility to Lecavalier, St. Louis and Richards to do the best to win. I have to disagree with you on this one BTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Denis has been playing terribly for the past year and a half. There's a reason Holmqvist is getting plenty of starts. As well, who says that GM's aren't above doing that anyway? Look at the Devils and Lou Lamoriello who waived Alexander Mogilny (much better than Marc Denis) and had him playing in the AHL for part of a season. And how many people disrespect Lamoriello for some of his decisions, all of which are about icing the best team possible? He plays fair but goes out looking for loopholes, same for Lower. Other GMs have problems with that and other GMs couldn't care less - but a lot of them like to go out of their way to keep good business relations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 It's more respectful to only claim players off waivers when you have an opening for them. Denis is a good goalie who's playing bad because he has a garbage defence in front of him. It's disrespectful to just replace him with the new guy and send him packing. If you want to make a trade, that's another story. Phoenix has waived Aebischer and Auld this year, both goalies who had at least similar, if not better years than Denis had last year and better starts to this year so far than him. Denis just has a job because Tampa's sale isn't complete (the old owner was very cheap and wants to keep costs down as much as possible during the sale process) and they have to pay him $2.75m no matter where he plays. They don't want to call up a goalie from the minors (Ramo) and then pay him $850,000, plus pay Holmqvist's full salary, and Denis' $2.75m for at best marginally better goaltending. Bryzgalov would've cost them $1.3m extra for much better goaltending than Denis provided. Tampa doesn't have a big name personnel, but the team does not play garbage defence. Torts has a good system in front of his goalies... it's the goalies that let him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 maybe tortorella should try to give confidence in his goalies instead of always calling them off in the papers and on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAKS-AVENUE Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 maybe tortorella should try to give confidence in his goalies instead of always calling them off in the papers and on tv. Maybe Tampa could be a potential trade partner for Huet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleHills Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Please don't give me the whole, 'we would never trade within our division' garbage. I want us to look at trades as simply trying to get better. Ryder is young, but we lose him to free agency if we don't trade him. Blake is not doing well in TO but maybe he'll fit better here. Blake for Ryder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markierung Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 not worth it. Blake is paid too much for a guy who was known for disrupting the locker room in Long Island and has now stated that there is something bugging him in Toronto. He's a shit disturber. Also, he's had 2 good years. In my opinion, that isn't worth the 4 million that they pay him. This is all aside from the fact that trades simply don't happen in the division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 not worth it. Blake is paid too much for a guy who was known for disrupting the locker room in Long Island and has now stated that there is something bugging him in Toronto. He's a shit disturber. Also, he's had 2 good years. In my opinion, that isn't worth the 4 million that they pay him. This is all aside from the fact that trades simply don't happen in the division What about Kordic for Courtnall Oh yeah, the Leafs were in the West then. Just thought I would bring it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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