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Did Burns speek French? I can't remember. I'm trying to think of coaches who don't speek French that coached the Habs. I think that the best man for the job should be given the coaches position. I know the language is a priority, but I think that if people just understand that it is a distinct culture, and accept that someone doesn't speak the language, he should be aplauded for his efforts to speek it. Not made fun of for saying it wrong. I know this is the wrong venue for this conversation, but the topic has come up several times in thie thread. I agree with and support the preservation of French language in Canada. It is one of things that separate us from our neighbours to the south, but I do get iritated when someone is made fun of for trying to adapt and speek the language. This culture and demand is why we can't get top notch Anglo coaches.

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If Jarvis is a potential head coach, he isn't showing much as the Habs defensive specialist (is he the Habs defensive specialist?). Lever, College Platon, session intensif, ete 2009. Prep for his HC stint next fall...

Funny, I was roasted a few days ago for suggesting that Carbo had 'lost the room' and suggesting he was 'surely doomed now', this after the Atlanta game. The number of people accusing me of not being a 'fan' was amusing. I guess neither is Gainey? Anyway, every article I just read on RDS suggests Carbo lost the room in one form or another. Be very interested to know if this is Gainey's call 100%, or a 'suggestion' from higher-up.

And f**k the bruins, they are all scum.

Did Burns speek French? I can't remember. I'm trying to think of coaches who don't speek French that coached the Habs. I think that the best man for the job should be given the coaches position. I know the language is a priority, but I think that if people just understand that it is a distinct culture, and accept that someone doesn't speak the language, he should be aplauded for his efforts to speek it. Not made fun of for saying it wrong. I know this is the wrong venue for this conversation, but the topic has come up several times in thie thread. I agree with and support the preservation of French language in Canada. It is one of things that separate us from our neighbours to the south, but I do get iritated when someone is made fun of for trying to adapt and speek the language. This culture and demand is why we can't get top notch Anglo coaches.

Isn't Pat Burns from Gatineau? Or did he just police / coach there? He is French, though.

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Every coach since Jacques Lemaire in the 1980s has spoken French, including Burns. (Although Burns, as an anglo, still had to put up with the occasional accusation that he was anti-French). I believe the last unilingual anglo was Bob Berry.

While I'm sympathetic to Quebec's distinctive culture, I do think that at the very highest levels of competition, you cannot afford NOT to hire the best person. For instance, Scotty Bowman was the best choice to coach us in the 1970s and that if we hadn't had him - if, say, we'd had Claude Ruel instead - it's conceivable we might not have won the four Cups.

Nonetheless, it is a simple fact that a norm has been created in Montreal, where you are not allowed to hire a coach who doesn't speak French. If Gainey does so, I admire his cojones and those of the man-fool willing to take it on, but feel bad for the coach, who will get ripped to shreds, both subtly and crassly, by the French media and fans, night after night. And this in turn will feed an environment where the French players will be highly likely to turn on the coach the minute they feel aggrieved with him - after all, they'll be hearing nothing but horrible things about him from family and friends relentlessly, etc., etc.. It's a bad mix, but an unfortunate one.

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Something big happened in the 70's that changed the province into a nation - almost in actuality. Comparing then to now is impossible, like when people compare Richard to Gretzky (as we all know, of course, The Rocket was far the better player...)

As much as I dislike it, alexstream is 100% right on the issues of a unilingual coach chez nous. They can study it and learn enough to get by, make an effort. Technically there is no need: but the world, and especially not Quebec, does not function on technicalities.

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I think the whole french speaking coach thing is bull. If the french media really want to get their scoops, they'll learn enough english to do an interview and translate later. It's whoever is best for the job. All signs point to Lever, and I would be happy with that. Don't really want someone who got rejected from another team. Usually, they got rejected for a reason.

I kinda hope Gainey coaches past this year, but I'm sure doing both jobs would be too tough and right now I'm not sure I'm comfortable with anyone else as our GM.

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Frankly, Gainey mentioned all of the same things that have driven people crazy on this site.

-inconsistency from game to game, from period to period, from shift to shift;

-emotionless play during games of enormous importance;

-ridiculous amounts of shots on goal, night after night, and the inability to protect the goalies.

Despite what Pierre Macguire and (shockingly, given that he's been basically calling for Carbo's head for several days now) Mike Boone may say, these things almost certainly have more to do with coaching than with talent or personnel.

Couple that with the fact that he had players coming to him claiming that Carbo was ruining their careers (I assume he means Dandy and Begin, possibly Kovalev), that Begin apparently told Renaud Lavoie of RDS that the players were waiting for Carbo to be fired, and you have a portrait of a team that has quit on their coach. And once that happens, it doesn't matter if you're a great coach or not. You're done.

Does Lever speak French? And how come no one is identifying Jarvis as a potential head coach - ?

no, and no. anyways, i don't think the next coach will be un-experienced.

Did Burns speek French? I can't remember. I'm trying to think of coaches who don't speek French that coached the Habs. I think that the best man for the job should be given the coaches position. I know the language is a priority, but I think that if people just understand that it is a distinct culture, and accept that someone doesn't speak the language, he should be aplauded for his efforts to speek it. Not made fun of for saying it wrong. I know this is the wrong venue for this conversation, but the topic has come up several times in thie thread. I agree with and support the preservation of French language in Canada. It is one of things that separate us from our neighbours to the south, but I do get iritated when someone is made fun of for trying to adapt and speek the language. This culture and demand is why we can't get top notch Anglo coaches.

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Something big happened in the 70's that changed the province into a nation - almost in actuality. Comparing then to now is impossible, like when people compare Richard to Gretzky (as we all know, of course, The Rocket was far the better player...)

As much as I dislike it, alexstream is 100% right on the issues of a unilingual coach chez nous. They can study it and learn enough to get by, make an effort. Technically there is no need: but the world, and especially not Quebec, does not function on technicalities.

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I think the whole french speaking coach thing is bull. If the french media really want to get their scoops, they'll learn enough english to do an interview and translate later. It's whoever is best for the job. All signs point to Lever, and I would be happy with that. Don't really want someone who got rejected from another team. Usually, they got rejected for a reason.

I kinda hope Gainey coaches past this year, but I'm sure doing both jobs would be too tough and right now I'm not sure I'm comfortable with anyone else as our GM.

Guys, guys, guys. Bob Gainey has the worst french ever, yet, people accept him and love him... However, he did come in place talking french. OF COURSE, media like Rejean Tremblay would bash him if he was the head coach... but guys like him (tremblay) are aside from the pack, in the left field.

It's not a caprice. It's not a technicality. It goes down to the "roots" of the people. That whole Maurice Richard riot all over again.

If the guy who comes in as a head coach is an "hostile anglo" like Mike Keane who said, I might be the captain, but my locker room is english and I will speak in english, #### you all. (not exactly like that, but it wasn't friendly.)

If the guys comes in and does just like STEPHEN HARPER did. Try to win the people by speaking with a really really bad, broken french, but STILL TRYING... the people might actually accept that, particularly if he's got charisma.

It has more to do with politics in the end :lol:

Think of it as the prime minister of Canada. Do you think a prime minister candidate be unilingual francophone? However someone who's as bad as Jean Chrétien at trying to speak english (and french!), can be prime minister!

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The coach has to be able to answer to questions from the medias in both english and french. It's as simple as that. Its in the job's description as cleaning floors is in the job description of a janitor. No if's, but's or why's. If a guy isnt smart enough to pick up a second language when he relocates into a new environment for his new job, he probably isnt smart enough to do the job in the first place.

It's not like they're asking him to learn Klingon for crissake!

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Guys, guys, guys. Bob Gainey has the worst french ever, yet, people accept him and love him...

What?

Gainey's french is as good as it needs to be to get himself understand. Stephen Harper is 100 times worse and he's the freaking Prime Minister.

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The coach has to be able to answer to questions from the medias in both english and french. It's as simple as that. No if's, but's or why's. If the guy isnt smart enough to pick up a second language when he relocates into a new environment for his new job, he probably isnt smart enough to do the job in the first place.

It's not like they're asking him to learn Klingon for crissake!

exact!

and you guys do not have to undertand what Kozed is saying... just stop asking questions or theorizing about it. NO IT WONT BE LAVIOLETTE or who the heck, unless that coach IS already able to say what his "plan" is, in french.

If he can't do that... Gainey knows there is a riot the next day and he'll be haunted by the Soul of Rene Lévesque for EVER. :P

If you want to know more about Québec, come, have a trip. Until then, please DO NOT THEORIZE about an unilingual english coach. It's pointless... just pointless. Not that I don't want to. Just beecause it's gonna be the end of the world all over Québec. Sanguenay will drop down to Montreal in buses, Qc City too, Trois Rivière, Sherbrooke, Drummundville, Verdun. All the unilingual french separatists (and some other anarchists like Kozed :P) will want to burn the Centre Bell osti.

What?

Gainey's french is as good as it needs to be to get himself understand. Stephen Harper is 100 times worse and he's the freaking Prime Minister.

yeah, i was just pointing them out that his french is bad, yet, he's accepted... But still, he speaks french (some posters do not get that point yet). Harper won the whole Beauce and is worse :P

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That's what I tried to point out, alexstream, in a small way. I don't think my citing the 70's was off in any way.

Coming from an anglo, I never thought that Gainey was that bad at his speaking. No Trudeau, but better than that lump Harper. Now Jean Chretien...

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That's what I tried to point out, alexstream, in a small way. I don't think my citing the 70's was off in any way.

Coming from an anglo, I never thought that Gainey was that bad at his speaking. No Trudeau, but better than that lump Harper. Now Jean Chretien...

yah, but, you seem to say that if they try, it's not good enough... ?

if they try, that IS good enough!

but not trying like Koivu... Trying like Gainey ;)

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Lest people get too righteous in sneering at Quebecers' supposedly nativist preferences for a French coach, it's worth remembering how English Canada reacted to Stephane Dion's English. :rolleyes:

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exact!

and you guys do not have to undertand what Kozed is saying... just stop asking questions or theorizing about it. NO IT WONT BE LAVIOLETTE or who the heck, unless that coach IS already able to say what his "plan" is, in french.

If he can't do that... Gainey knows there is a riot the next day and he'll be haunted by the Soul of Rene Lévesque for EVER. :P

If you want to know more about Québec, come, have a trip. Until then, please DO NOT THEORIZE about an unilingual english coach. It's pointless... just pointless. Not that I don't want to. Just beecause it's gonna be the end of the world all over Québec. Sanguenay will drop down to Montreal in buses, Qc City too, Trois Rivière, Sherbrooke, Drummundville, Verdun. All the unilingual french separatists (and some other anarchists like Kozed :P ) will want to burn the Centre Bell osti.

Its probably not even exaggerated. Journalists will shred him to pieces and ask for his head from day 1, and Gainey's too. It'll get political fast, since Gillett bought the Habs & Bell Centre with a loan from the Quebec Government you'll hear that the Habs have a duty to give opportunities to Quebec coaches first and foremost.

I'm hoping it'll be Patrick Roy. Of course it'd mean we can't re-sign Schneider. :P

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I'm hoping it'll be Patrick Roy. Of course it'd mean we can't re-sign Schneider. :P

Are you kidding me? Patrick Roy is not ready for a coaching role in the NHL.

These two candidates should be highly considered once this season is history:

1) Bob Hartley

2) Pat Quinn

Bring some coaches with EXPERIENCE and CHAMPIONSHIPS in from NHL/International Level :clap:

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I actually think that Quinn would be a good coach for this team but I don't think he speaks french.

I agree with Kozed and Alexstream on the language thing. Just think how much Koivu gets ripped for not speaking french. A coach who doesn't speak would be chaos.

I think if Bob had an anglo in mind he could get that person started on french classes right now. By the start of next season they would be able to get by I think.

Edit to add that I think Roy would be a good assistant coach here to learn and eventually grow in to the head coach someday.

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Last week, we all agreed that this team needs a new identity.

And now, half of you suggest Jarvis/Muller/Lever to take over next season ?!?!

Some people are out of their mind !

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Are you kidding me? Patrick Roy is not ready for a coaching role in the NHL.

These two candidates should be highly considered once this season is history:

1) Bob Hartley

2) Pat Quinn

Fat Quinn = :puke: :puke: :puke:

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Fat Quinn = :puke: :puke: :puke:

HAHA! I don't even think he'd consider coming to mtl knowing how much he loves the leafs.

I'm sure if Bob offers him a job in montreal his first reaction would be

Bleu Blanc Rouge?! = :puke: :puke: :puke:

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The coach has to be able to answer to questions from the medias in both english and french. It's as simple as that. Its in the job's description as cleaning floors is in the job description of a janitor. No if's, but's or why's. If a guy isnt smart enough to pick up a second language when he relocates into a new environment for his new job, he probably isnt smart enough to do the job in the first place.

It's not like they're asking him to learn Klingon for crissake!

Yes, regardless of whether he's an NHL coach or not, someone moving to Quebec should be making an effort to learn French. If he's coaching the Habs, it isn't just a priority, it is THE priority.

But to me there isn't much difference between French and Klingon.

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I dont really understand the french pressures this team faces as an Anglo from Toronto, but if someone could clarify this for me I'd really appreciate it.

It's simple, when 80% of your fanbase is francophone, you need to have a coach that can communicate with them in French.

Imagine a coach for the leafs who doesn't speak a work of english!! I'm pretty sure that would be just as unacceptable in the CotU.

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Did Burns speek French? I can't remember. I'm trying to think of coaches who don't speek French that coached the Habs. I think that the best man for the job should be given the coaches position. I know the language is a priority, Not made fun of for saying it wrong. I know this is the wrong venue for this conversation, but the topic has come up several times in thie thread. I agree with and support the preservation of French language in Canada. It is one of things that separate us from our neighbours to the south, but I do get iritated when someone is made fun of for trying to adapt and speek the language. This culture and demand is why we can't get top notch Anglo coaches.

Yes, Pat Burns speaks french very well..he's from Gatineau.

If i'm not mistaken, the last head coach who did not speak french was Bob Berry(back in the early 80's) Let's just say that he wasn't there long enough...

but I think that if people just understand that it is a distinct culture, and accept that someone doesn't speak the language, he should be aplauded for his efforts to speek it.

I definitely agree with you on that one. I never make fun of anyone trying to speak a new language. They should always be applauded for their efforts...it is, however, very unfortunate that players and the english Media made fun ot Michel Therrien's english while he was the coach in Montreal...

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