dlbalr Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Right on. Good article. Very quick sir. I had to rush to get it together, gotta get ready for the chat, which will open in about 10 minutes...topic #1 just became the big trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Implications of the trade with regards to free agency: http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1804 So I guess it makes SCOTT GOMEZ the highest paid player in Habs history? Way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Ok, so just going over some numbers and looking at available players and I think it is totally possible that we field a team of... Tanguay - Gomez - Havlat/Gionta A.Kost - Pleks - Kovalev S.Kost - Lang - Latendresse Laraque - Lapierre - Stewart Markov - Beauchemin Hamrlik - Liles Gorges - Schenider/Obyrne Or something vary similar... depending on trades and whatnot Bob can pull off. But the above team looks WAY better than last years group. Use Halak and some other players signed in trades and we could be a BEAST! Edited July 1, 2009 by TheDriveFor25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Thanks for the article. 20 million sounds like a lot but we need a #1 or 2 dman to replace Komisarek and a serious winger to play with Gomez. We could "get by" with what we have but we really could use a second line centre as well. I see 4 million to Kovalev on a one-year deal & (dreaming) 4.5 million to Gionta on a multi-year deal 4.5 million to Beauchemin on a multi-year deal and then we have two remaining roster spots for rookies or cheap players like Kostopoulos to fill. Our cap situation is decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan25 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I agree the big story here is not the trade. Its losing a player like Komisarek on a small meek team. Teams are dying for this type of player. We are going to rue the day. BAD BAD BAD move! ...or maybe 4.75 million for KOMISAREK!!!! Agreed. EVERYONE knew that the Rangers were desperate to shed salary. Bob could have waited and gotten Gomez for Higgins and Valetenko and janek...this deal reeks of desperation from Bob. I've been patient with Bob. I believed in him for the first five years, but he's been with the organization for 6 years now, and I have to say i'm somewhat disappointed. With the announcement that komisarek will test free agency (and hearing that Boston IS REALLY interested in him) and the fact that he is most likely already gone from Montreal, i will definitely lose it. We aren't willing to overpay 500,000 or maybe 750,000$ per year for a guy who grew up in our organization, who over the past 5 years is 2nd in ALL THE NHL for bodychecks and is also in the top five for blocked shots, for a guy who has character and a definate candidate for the captaincy...yet we are willing to acquire a guy who'll be earning 7.5 million$ over the next five years. that's about 2 million$ more per year than what he's actually worth. I will pray tonight. Pray that bob pulls a rabbit out of his hat and manages to Keep Komisarek in Montreal...cause if he ends up with the Bruins, I will want Bob FIRED ON THE SPOT. I will also pray that maybe Bob isn't finished and he will turn around and make another trade to complement this one. Until then I will try to be patient, but right now, i don't like this deal...hopefully, I'll have a good reason to change my mind over the next 48 hours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I've been browsing different blogs and Rangers forums, and they are all like: " I don't know how in the world we robbed Montreal, but we did it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 This is so true, we were sold that Higgins was a future star and leader of the team. It also pissed me off that 15 months ago I was on board with Gainey telling Atlanta to shove it when they wanted Higgins. Gainey had made it clear that he was part of the future of the Canadiens. So in a season where the Habs were legit Cup final contenders he could have dealt Higgins, McDonagh and a 4th liner and Valentenko for a playoff run with Hossa, but the price was too steep then. Now here we are today and Higgins, McDonagh and Valentenko are gone for $7.5M of Scott Gomez for the next 5 years. I would rather have taken the Stanley Cup shot with Hossa. This is probably the crux of the disappointment of the majority. We drank the Kool-Aid. here I disagree. I prefer 5 years of Gomez over Hossa. and given our team make up, I prefer Gomez over Hossa. We needed someone to "feed" Hossa in the first place. It's really sad to see a guy like A. Kost only getting 40 pts because we've got no center good enough. Watch him explode (wishful thinking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 here I disagree. I prefer 5 years of Gomez over Hossa. and given our team make up, I prefer Gomez over Hossa. We needed someone to "feed" Hossa in the first place. It's really sad to see a guy like A. Kost only getting 40 pts because we've got no centre good enough. Watch him explode (wishful thinking) Would you have disagreed if the Habs made the Stanley Cup Finals in 2008? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Would you have disagreed if the Habs made the Stanley Cup Finals in 2008? Why would they have? Were we a hossa away from beating Philly? we were a "Team identity" away from beating them. Hossa alone couldn't have made it. And we'd wake up today with no hossa on our team and with no Higgins or McDo to give up for a center like Gomez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan25 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Boone in the Gazette's take: I dunno, folks. Is there another deal to come. Komisarek is out of here, to the Rangers, New Jersey or maybe – gulp! – Boston. So who's the next physical defenceman in the pipeline? David Fischer? Please. McDonagh is all of 20. He was considered a blue-chip draft prospect. So Trevor Timmins andhis staff work their butts off to feed fodder into the cannon of Trader Bob? I'm not happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newf Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 the trade is brutal :puke: in gainey we trust.. NOT scott gomez 7 million + cap hit :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: :lool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why would they have? Were we a hossa away from beating Philly? we were a "Team identity" away from beating them. Hossa alone couldn't have made it. And we'd wake up today with no hossa on our team and with no Higgins or McDo to give up for a centre like Gomez. We will never know, but I don't think they would have had no chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Bob makes a deal, fill a need and fills it well, and people are calling for his head? We were fairly deep in D prospects, and we are fairly weak in legitimate C prospects. Getting Gomez just filled the 1st line C role for 5 seasons. I see too many trade proposals on hockey boards that involve trading crap for gold, and the few trade proposals that do actually make sense (to both teams, not "ours") are usually followed up by numerous posts of, "Deal looks good, but not with our star prospect in there." Grow a backbone, people. This was the cost for a #1 centerman, and it was the deal that Bob needed to make. Was everyone banking on Unrestricted Free Agency to fill that void? Guys, if they won't sign here (and more often than not they won't) then you gotta bring them in some other way. Edited July 1, 2009 by Trizzak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 hahaha. Oh the joys of always drafting BPA. Not sure why so many are so mad, Bob only did what drafting BPA does for a team. i.e. draft guys you dont need to trade for somebody you do actually need but get fleeced in the trade. Great plan isnt it? Anybody else now agree with me that BPA is useless? Still no? I dont like this trade 1 bit, but I'm hoping Bob picked up Gomez to reach the cap minimum after all the Habs UFAs walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 This is so true, we were sold that Higgins was a future star and leader of the team. It also pissed me off that 15 months ago I was on board with Gainey telling Atlanta to shove it when they wanted Higgins. Gainey had made it clear that he was part of the future of the Canadiens. So in a season where the Habs were legit Cup final contenders he could have dealt Higgins, McDonagh and a 4th liner and Valentenko for a playoff run with Hossa, but the price was too steep then. Now here we are today and Higgins, McDonagh and Valentenko are gone for $7.5M of Scott Gomez for the next 5 years. I would rather have taken the Stanley Cup shot with Hossa. This is probably the crux of the disappointment of the majority. We drank the Kool-Aid. Well, Wamsley, I'm a little surprised to hear you say this. Hossa would have been a rental and wouldn't have made a lick of difference because Price wasn't stopping a beachball against the Flyers. Gomez addresses a long-term need and, while overpaid, plugs the most gaping hole in the entire organization. I'd rather Bob deal for players that address core needs, than throw 'em away for temporary mercenaries and be left with nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 WTF! I've been a Gainey supporter - despite his stupidity of letting half of the team walk for nothing - not to add previous defencemen lost for nothing. But now gainey just got fleeced by one of the dumbest gm's in the league. E eryone knew sather was trying to dump salary, and gainey gives up the top d prospect on the system in addition to Higgens????? Not to mention that since Higgens and Komi are buddies. This deal essentially is for higgens, komi and mcDonough for gomez and his incredibly stupid salary. I was against the lecavalier move because of the term of his contract, but even that is way better then gomez. I really believe Gainey has lost his mind. He is just as bad as sather he has grossly overpaid for hamrlik and Laraque and now picks up an overpaid mistake by sather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEEP26 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 i dont think this move was as bad as most guys think........gomez well fit into the new game plan for next year..we need a change and this is part of it...his deal is only for 5 more years and his only 29...in the new nhl where ever star wants 10-15 years deal, this is a bit better...he got 2 cup rings and was a big part of those teams... i really believe habs fan well never be happy, they cry when we dont make moves, they cry when we do..for crying out lould lets stop of the i what vinny and support the guys we got...vinny never what to be here he had many chanse to sign with the habs and didnt, and t-bay wont trade him...what the f**k is bob suppose to do kidnap him lmfao.. GO HABS GO :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 gomez well fit into the new game plan for next year.. What is the new game plan for next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 What is the new game plan for next year? Don't suck! Don't suck! Don't suck! Don't suck! Don't suck! Don't suck! Don't suck! Don't suck! Don't suck! Don't suck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revvvrob Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) i'm glad the Habs didn't lose Higgins for nothing after next season(as they will Komi this season). not only do they gain a respectable 1st line C - but they have him for 5 years. the prospect cupboard is still in good shape (only losing McDo) and that means before Gomez contract is up, there will be some cheap young talent in the fold and therefore still cap room to either resign players or make more trades (assuming UFA-world is just simply never going to be habs-friendly again ) Edited July 1, 2009 by revvvrob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Well, Wamsley, I'm a little surprised to hear you say this. Hossa would have been a rental and wouldn't have made a lick of difference because Price wasn't stopping a beachball against the Flyers. Gomez addresses a long-term need and, while overpaid, plugs the most gaping hole in the entire organization. I'd rather Bob deal for players that address core needs, than throw 'em away for temporary mercenaries and be left with nothing. I am not a big fan of $7.5M centers who are 29th in scoring, 37th in faceoffs etc. This is a GAMBLE. You are not getting a proven commidity in Gomez and if you spend $7.5M I think you should be able to know what you are getting guaranteed. Does it give the Habs a legit number one centre? Yes, but how far does this move them forward towards their final goal? If they cannot land a legit UFA and Tanguay and Koivu walk what was the benefit of pulling this move right now? So that they can be average next season? I would have waited on the changing landscape instead of rolling the dice on a $7.5M player that could put up 60 pts. As for Hossa, Gainey sold the future to us. He dealt Huet to keep Price, he refused to part with a CORE guy in Higgins and here we are just over a year later and Higgins AND McDonagh are gone on a risky trade. This is risky. Gomez is now the ONLY player signed past 2011. Welcome to the new FACE of the franchise. Scott Gomez and his $7.5M salary. I am so excited. WIth all that being said, Gainey has more work to do and I will not judge this move fully until he does. Until then, it wreaks of desperation. Edited July 1, 2009 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 So Trevor Timmins andhis staff work their butts off to feed fodder into the cannon of Trader Bob? That is their job... They draft the best assets they feel they can. It's Bob's choice on what to do with them. You can't honestly consider that a problem. I'm sure Timmins doesn't think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Like a number of the other posters on here I feel quite sick with this deal. We gave up too much even if its really only McDonagh that we care about. The fact of the matter is that their is no elite scorer on this Montreal Canadiens team, who can take advantage of what Scott Gomez does best.....pass. So, unless Gaborik, Hossa, Heatley or Havlat somehow end up in Montreal in the next few days, and Tanguay and Kovalev come back, this trade does nothing to help this club now, and cripples them in the future with the loss of McDonagh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 WIth all that being said, Gainey has more work to do and I will not judge this move fully until he does. Until then, it wreaks of desperation. Pretty much my views too. Desperation is the consensus. On paper, we overpaid a lot just to get Gomez. If only we could at least have got something better than Pyatt as thrown-ins. What starts to annoy me with Bob is the way he wastes assets. Higgins AND McDonagh AND Valentenko AND Janik (Begin) for Gomez and a couple of career minor-leaguers. Sorry to say, but it's a Houlesque trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilan25 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 That is their job... They draft the best assets they feel they can. It's Bob's choice on what to do with them. You can't honestly consider that a problem. I'm sure Timmins doesn't think it is. I knew Timmins when he was working for the Sens he was a gofor nothing more. Wore weightlifter pants and was in charge of making sure the players had accomadations, cars etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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