tomh009 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 14 hours ago, Commandant said: I think youd probably be looking at them asking for someone like Armia. That's a steep price when Armia is going from strength to strength, and Gostisbehere has been on a downward slide for the past few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 34 minutes ago, tomh009 said: That's a steep price when Armia is going from strength to strength, and Gostisbehere has been on a downward slide for the past few seasons. Well they arent going to give him up for Byron or Cousins and those are the next 2 steps down on the forward depth chart imo. They will want some value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, Commandant said: Well they arent going to give him up for Byron or Cousins and those are the next 2 steps down on the forward depth chart imo. They will want some value. As much as I hate suggesting this: Kovalchuk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 52 minutes ago, tomh009 said: We signed an aging forward who was consistently getting scratched in LA. He's done all right so far, I think. So just because a player is getting scratched doesn't mean he is a writeoff. Also have signed, Semin-Ott-Gonchar-Hemsky-King-Briere who flopped and being a healthy scratch isnt a good sign at all for a 26yr old $4.5m/yr player. Would Chiarot-Mete-Romanov-Kulak and this guy solidify left side enough? I guess trading a Armia or Lehkonen for him might be worthwhile and he is signed for several more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, DON said: Also have signed, Semin-Ott-Gonchar-Hemsky-King-Briere who flopped and being a healthy scratch isnt a good sign at all for a 26yr old $4.5m/yr player. Would Chiarot-Mete-Romanov-Kulak and this guy solidify left side enough? I guess trading a Armia or Lehkonen for him might be worthwhile and he is signed for several more years. If I am going to trade anyone its going to be lehkonen. Armia is better and the power forward we have been looking for. Lehkonen and Byron to me are expendable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I think this administration sees lehkonen as close to an untouchable though. He is one of the last players Bergevin and Julien would trade. Young, one of the best defensive forwards on the team, effective on the forecheck, willing to play any role the coach will put him in and about to have his second 15 goal season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: We signed an aging forward who was consistently getting scratched in LA. He's done all right so far, I think. So just because a player is getting scratched doesn't mean he is a writeoff. That's a fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Well they arent going to give him up for Byron or Cousins and those are the next 2 steps down on the forward depth chart imo. They will want some value. It's true that they would want some value. But that value drops quickly as the player's ice time and production drop, and he starts getting scratched. He might yet get back to where he was two years ago -- or he might not. So there is a significant risk for anyone making a deal with the Flyers. Armia is 27th in the NHL for RW scoring (Gallagher is 14th) so he would be first-line material on many teams. Are we willing to risk giving that up in the hopes that Gostisbehere's 2017-2018 career year was not a fluke? Packaging a less player with a prospect or a pick could be an option maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I'm not even valuing him on the 60 point season. I'm valuing as a 35 point defencemen... something he's been virtually every season. There is just as much an argument that this season (With the limited icetime after Vigneault broke up the Provorov-Sanheim pair and moved Sanheim to ld) is the outlier, as there is for the 60 point season. So I value the guy as a puck mover with 35 points a year. That costs something, and it can't be Byron. Armia is also having the best season of his career, so there is the argument for him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 That’s a fair point. I would personally still hesitate... but that may be just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Commandant said: I think this administration sees lehkonen as close to an untouchable though. He is one of the last players Bergevin and Julien would trade. Young, one of the best defensive forwards on the team, effective on the forecheck, willing to play any role the coach will put him in and about to have his second 15 goal season... But Armia does all very similar but stronger and just starting to show he has a skilled set of mitts also. And both #40-62 signed for another year at about $2.5...so $5.0m for those two is a pretty sweet deal to give up vs $4.5 for Philly d-man. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/canadiens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Of the two i just think Lehkonen is the better player. Everything ive heard suggests similar is how the org sees him. And 4.5 for a 35 point, top 4 d, is not steep at all. Its less than we offered gardiner and i think ghost is better than gardiner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, Commandant said: Of the two i just think Lehkonen is the better player. Everything ive heard suggests similar. And 4.5 for a 35 point, top 4 d, is not steep at all. Its less than we offered gardiner and i think ghost is better than gardiner. But for Gardiner didnt have to lose a Finn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, DON said: But for Gardiner didnt have to lose a Finn. I get that. Was just commenting on if the contract is fair or not. We didnt get gardiner. We havent had good.success with UFAs lately. So the option is trade. What is ghost worth? Looking at our roster, and the flyers wanting a forward. I dont know any other option unless there is a three team trade where maybe we give up picks or prospects and they give a forward to philly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 See... I would try with a draft pick and only a roster player that's a rental.... Thompson and a 3rd for Ghost?? Byron is un-tradeable at this point due to his injury. I personally think that Armia is just starting to scratch the surface of his career. Buried down the line up in Winnipeg he has finally been given minutes and responsibility in Mtl. And I'm with Comm, Lehks is a solid solid hockey player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: See... I would try with a draft pick and only a roster player that's a rental.... Thompson and a 3rd for Ghost?? Byron is un-tradeable at this point due to his injury. I personally think that Armia is just starting to scratch the surface of his career. Buried down the line up in Winnipeg he has finally been given minutes and responsibility in Mtl. And I'm with Comm, Lehks is a solid solid hockey player. I really like Lehks and Armia, I think they are just going to get better. I don't think Thompson and a 3rd is enough to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Yeah i dont think thompson and a pick makes it happen either. So many teams need D and a 35 point guy signed for 3 years at 4.5 million would get interest from more than just montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 If Byron had been healthy this season I think we'd be mentioning him in exchange for Ghost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Trizzak said: If Byron had been healthy this season I think we'd be mentioning him in exchange for Ghost. Probably yes. But the value isnt there right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Commandant said: I get that. Was just commenting on if the contract is fair or not. We didnt get gardiner. We havent had good.success with UFAs lately. So the option is trade. What is ghost worth? Looking at our roster, and the flyers wanting a forward. I dont know any other option unless there is a three team trade where maybe we give up picks or prospects and they give a forward to philly. Yes. $4.5M is probably fair. But Armia’s and Lehkonen’s contracts are low enough to provide additional value. Philadelphia Inquirer claimed that the Flyers are looking for depth at C, so if that’s true, maybe it could be Thompson as part of a package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 We have 2 2nds in this draft, a 2nd and a depth forward like Cousins or Thompson should get Gostisbehre. I know he should be valued higher, but for as much as he has been scratched and 3yr @ 4.5m has his value low. Philly is right up against the cap, the cap space alone is of real value to them, so they may take a 3rd and a cheap depth forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: We have 2 2nds in this draft, a 2nd and a depth forward like Cousins or Thompson should get Gostisbehre. I know he should be valued higher, but for as much as he has been scratched and 3yr @ 4.5m has his value low. Philly is right up against the cap, the cap space alone is of real value to them, so they may take a 3rd and a cheap depth forward. They have no real use for a cheap veteran depth forward though. Thompson might be worth a 4th or 5th round pick and Cousins probably less than that. A second and a late-round pick isn't going to get Gostisbehere. A regular defenceman that's two years removed from a 65-point season that's under team control is going to get more than that, even if he's struggling or they won't move him. Yes, they don't have much cap space but they're not going to give him away for next to nothing either as I suspect they haven't given up on him entirely just yet. If they can't get good value for him, they'll hold him over selling low. If they need cap space, they'll probably move Justin Braun first. In actual rumour news, the Penguins inquired about Domi and were told that he's not available. https://athletique.com/1597726/2020/02/10/john-marino-injury-update-penguins-trade-rumors-jim-rutherford/?source=shared-article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The Athletic reported today that the Habs would be interested in Jonas Brodin (And Matt Dumba) from Minnesota. The name of Max Domi is thrown out there in these rumours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: The Athletic reported today that the Habs would be interested in Jonas Brodin (And Matt Dumba) from Minnesota. The name of Max Domi is thrown out there in these rumours. That is a trade I would like very much it MIN adds a 1st round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: That is a trade I would like very much it MIN adds a 1st round pick But why would they? In particular, a Dumba-Domi deal would probably be pretty close to a 1-1 swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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