The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 This is all coo-coo to me. Beaulieu is supposed to be an offensive defenceman and the organization's eventual Markov replacement. Now we are suddenly talking about turning him into a winger? What is he, Yanick Weber? Defenceman are always more valuable than forwards, so the move is by definition a downgrade; and instead of Beaulieu filling a fundamental organizational need it turns him into another disposable part. If this is supposed to be a short-term, game-by-game solution, then OK. But doing it as a regular thing is NOT going to help him become a better NHL defenceman; just the opposite. Boo to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 This is all coo-coo to me. Beaulieu is supposed to be an offensive defenceman and the organization's eventual Markov replacement. Now we are suddenly talking about turning him into a winger? What is he, Yanick Weber? Defenceman are always more valuable than forwards, so the move is by definition a downgrade; and instead of Beaulieu filling a fundamental organizational need it turns him into another disposable part. If this is supposed to be a short-term, game-by-game solution, then OK. But doing it as a regular thing is NOT going to help him become a better NHL defenceman; just the opposite. Boo to this. I don't think we're turning him into a forward, I think we're giving him extra ice-time at forward because as the 7th dressed defenseman, he's going to get less ice time than most and he needs to justify his roster spot. The extra experience at forward is not a bad thing. Look at Brent Burns and Dustin Byfuglien - i love those guys. Actually, I could really see Beaulieu turning into a Byfuglien-type defender. That'd be good. A bit scary in his own end, but worth his spot. Let's see him start to put up Byfuglen-style numbers, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 This is all coo-coo to me. Beaulieu is supposed to be an offensive defenceman and the organization's eventual Markov replacement. Now we are suddenly talking about turning him into a winger? What is he, Yanick Weber? Defenceman are always more valuable than forwards, so the move is by definition a downgrade; and instead of Beaulieu filling a fundamental organizational need it turns him into another disposable part. If this is supposed to be a short-term, game-by-game solution, then OK. But doing it as a regular thing is NOT going to help him become a better NHL defenceman; just the opposite. Boo to this. Who said he will replace Markov (you of all people arnt putting him on pedestal yet are you?), he aint Markov, Markov was a forward turned into a d-man cause he was smart enough but even offensive d-men need to defend and he cant even do that in AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 This could be a relic of playing too much Yahoo fantasy hockey, but there are no players I covet more than guys who can slot in at both D or forward while putting up respectable forward numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 This is all coo-coo to me. Beaulieu is supposed to be an offensive defenceman and the organization's eventual Markov replacement. Now we are suddenly talking about turning him into a winger? What is he, Yanick Weber? Defenceman are always more valuable than forwards, so the move is by definition a downgrade; and instead of Beaulieu filling a fundamental organizational need it turns him into another disposable part. If this is supposed to be a short-term, game-by-game solution, then OK. But doing it as a regular thing is NOT going to help him become a better NHL defenceman; just the opposite. Boo to this. Agree to that. It simply must be a game to game very short term thing. I liked how NB responded as he will do what ever it takes to make the team full time. On almost every team in the nhl he would be playing in the number 6 spot nightly. MT resistance to play young guys only reason he is not. I will give MT credit for bending his usual stance a tad. The MT i know would have sat NB is a heartbeat to play the old vet/buddy gonchar. He just could not do it. So he plays his vet and moves NB to wing and drops the new guy Thomas. Welcome to therriens world. I have watched NB two years. He has what it take. Full of character and jam. He will be a Hab everyone is going to like in spite of MT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 That stat that the Habs are 9-1 with Sekac in the lineup is interesting. Could just be a fluke, of course, caused by small sample size. However, I'd point out that it seems to confirm what I've been saying about the way our team is built. We are made to roll three more-or-less interchangeable lines. When that 3rd line (Eller) gets going, we see this model blaze in all its glory: last year's playoffs, this year when Sekac/Eller/Prust are bringing it. When that third line flounders, the team looks closer to ordinary. As for the Bruins, I almost feel sorry for them. Oh wait. NO I DON'T. 5-1. SUCK ON THAT, YOU TURDS!!!!!!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 All last night was Therrien telling Beaulieu, "I'm gonna try our new acquisition on defence. I still think you're valuable to the team so I'd rather play you at forward than scratch you." All good things folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Nice to see Beaulieu get a sweet assist in only 6minutes of ice. That was his first career regular season PP point (in 41:35 of TOI). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 and instead of Beaulieu filling a fundamental organizational need it turns him into another disposable part. If this is supposed to be a short-term, game-by-game solution, then OK. But doing it as a regular thing is NOT going to help him become a better NHL defenceman; just the opposite. Agreed. I hate it when the Habs play d-men up front. I remember them doing it back in the days we had Matt Dandeneault. I hated it back then and I hate it now. Stop wasting Beaulieu's time. If you aren't gonna play him at his natural position, send him back to the Bulldogs so he can at least get some playing time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Since nobody mentioned it: I have nothing against Ginette Reno, by any means. However, there were a couple of things about Briannah Donolo's performance i found far more inspiring. Her singing was not bad, either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Since nobody mentioned it: I have nothing against Ginette Reno, by any means. However, there were a couple of things about Briannah Donolo's performance i found far more inspiring. Her singing was not bad, either. hahaha Both singers were just fine if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Since nobody mentioned it: I have nothing against Ginette Reno, by any means. However, there were a couple of things about Briannah Donolo's performance i found far more inspiring. Her singing was not bad, either. Yes I see exactly what you are talking about and agree wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Yes I see exactly what you are talking about and agree wholeheartedly. I know, eh? Perhaps I should help clarify, for those who missed it: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 aye carrumba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I know, eh? Perhaps I should help clarify, for those who missed it: You're doing the lord's work, son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 This is all coo-coo to me. Beaulieu is supposed to be an offensive defenceman and the organization's eventual Markov replacement. Now we are suddenly talking about turning him into a winger? What is he, Yanick Weber? Defenceman are always more valuable than forwards, so the move is by definition a downgrade; and instead of Beaulieu filling a fundamental organizational need it turns him into another disposable part. If this is supposed to be a short-term, game-by-game solution, then OK. But doing it as a regular thing is NOT going to help him become a better NHL defenceman; just the opposite. Boo to this. 100% agree. The kid needs to learn to play defence in the NHL. We messed up any chance Weber and Diaz had of becoming legitimate NHL dmen (Weber mores, because of his age) and i don't want to see the same mistake made with Beaulieu. I don't expect him to become a Norris calibre dmen. But I think he has potential to be better than Brisbios was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 How bad do you feel about giving Sekac the gears before he even put a Habs Jersey on? Pretty bad. I don't want to see any Habs fail, but he could have held off being on fire for a couple of months for my own prediction's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Personally, I don't think Beaulieu's playing on the wing is going to hurt his development as long as it doesn't become a permanent arrangement. After all, Ice time is ice time and dressing is better than sitting in the press box. I do not see it as a permanent move...I think it was simply what was stated: they wanted to dress Gonchar, but they didn't want to end up with 5 D against Boston if he couldn't cope due to travel fatigue or other issues. Like Weise, in very limited minutes he made a monster impact. In particular, if NB can consistently make the kind of move and pass from the back end that he used to set up Sekac's goal, he wont have to worry about D ice time for that long. All in all, I am not that worried about the development of our young D men...Numerous young players struggle mightily when promoted to the show when they are not 100% physically or mentally ready for the role that is thrust on them---usually on a bad team. When was the last time you heard: " Team X ruined that young player by bringing him along too slowly and giving him too much time to develop"? Overall, I am still basking in the afterglow of the team's best performance of the season and a comprehensive smashing of the Ruins in every possible respect. As an added bonus Gonchar actually looked pretty good and Weise buried the penalty shot. I couldn't have asked for anything more---except a couple o' more PP goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Even at 5 on 5 it almost looked like Habs were on a PP at times. Nice to see Columbus soften up Philly for tonights game, hope for a repeat performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Personally, I don't think Beaulieu's playing on the wing is going to hurt his development as long as it doesn't become a permanent arrangement. After all, Ice time is ice time and dressing is better than sitting in the press box. I do not see it as a permanent move...I think it was simply what was stated: they wanted to dress Gonchar, but they didn't want to end up with 5 D against Boston if he couldn't cope due to travel fatigue or other issues. Like Weise, in very limited minutes he made a monster impact. In particular, if NB can consistently make the kind of move and pass from the back end that he used to set up Sekac's goal, he wont have to worry about D ice time for that long. All in all, I am not that worried about the development of our young D men...Numerous young players struggle mightily when promoted to the show when they are not 100% physically or mentally ready for the role that is thrust on them---usually on a bad team. When was the last time you heard: " Team X ruined that young player by bringing him along too slowly and giving him too much time to develop"? Overall, I am still basking in the afterglow of the team's best performance of the season and a comprehensive smashing of the Ruins in every possible respect. As an added bonus Gonchar actually looked pretty good and Weise buried the penalty shot. I couldn't have asked for anything more---except a couple o' more PP goals Well put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I know, eh? Perhaps I should help clarify, for those who missed it: I own a sports bar here in Connecticut.. For the first time in forever all my male (and female) customers were quiet during the anthems. While drooling. Nuf said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I don't think Bourque earned a place. Hell, the habs should have tried hard to move him at the draft or the summer, instead of hoping that Bourque's playoff performance was anything but a mirage. In the summer, someone may have been stupid enough to trade for him. It's a twofold thing. It's not just how they treated Bourque personally, but how his treatment would be perceived by the whole team and for any player considering playing for the Habs. They'd ask, "What does a guy have to do?", and rightly. The immediate facts were pretty obvious, but a very fair shot had to be given to him and it was. I think that's a sign of good management. If our results were worse, despite the bad overall play, then perhaps this might have accelerated the action, but I doubt it. I think it was exactly the right thing to do. We are dealing with human beings and justice is more than just a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I don't think we're turning him into a forward, I think we're giving him extra ice-time at forward because as the 7th dressed defenseman, he's going to get less ice time than most and he needs to justify his roster spot. The extra experience at forward is not a bad thing. Look at Brent Burns and Dustin Byfuglien - i love those guys. Actually, I could really see Beaulieu turning into a Byfuglien-type defender. That'd be good. A bit scary in his own end, but worth his spot. Let's see him start to put up Byfuglen-style numbers, though. I'm with you on this one and I think ChiCuke's surmize that it could be a temporary move to give a guy they have confidence in some valuable experience is what's happening. I think it'll be mucho fun to see what he can do up there as well. And how about "Bold" as a descriptor. How often do we see this kind of thing in the NHL. Some of you will actually know the answer to that question. I sure don't. But I am looking forward to seeing it play out.. as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Agree to that. It simply must be a game to game very short term thing. I liked how NB responded as he will do what ever it takes to make the team full time. On almost every team in the nhl he would be playing in the number 6 spot nightly. MT resistance to play young guys only reason he is not. I will give MT credit for bending his usual stance a tad. The MT i know would have sat NB is a heartbeat to play the old vet/buddy gonchar. He just could not do it. So he plays his vet and moves NB to wing and drops the new guy Thomas. Welcome to therriens world. I have watched NB two years. He has what it take. Full of character and jam. He will be a Hab everyone is going to like in spite of MT. He has to play his new D man .. a LOT. Whenever possible which is why he played a lot in the Boston game after it was beyond reach. He absolutely MUST be shown a lot of confidence if this gambit is to pay off. NB meanwhile is getting the message that no matter what happens, he's part of the team and we'll even make a new place for him. Win-win I think. I hope Gonchar finds a strong new wind under his sail and flies into our team with that great shot and obvious hockey sense. We should all wish him nothing but success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 You're doing the lord's work, son. I own a sports bar here in Connecticut.. For the first time in forever all my male (and female) customers were quiet during the anthems. While drooling. Nuf said. The Lord's work can be awfully beautiful alright. What a knockout! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.